fc Top Ten pay offensive line coaches, NCAA football...3x what a general surgeon makes

[sluggo72]

1. Sam Pittman, Georgia — $825,000
2. Will Friend, Tennessee — $805,000
3. Joe Rudolph, Wisconsin^ — $720,000
4. Greg Frey, Florida State — $675,000
5. Justin Frye, UCLA — $650,000
5. Herb Hand, Texas — $650,000
7. Mike Summers, Louisville — $632,000
8. Bill Bedenbaugh, Oklahoma — $625,000
9. Jim Turner, Texas A&M — $600,000
9. Eric Wolford, South Carolina — $600,000

The average pay for a General Surgeon is $260,468 per year.

$118k (low) $260k median $391k top 90%

 

[jim cummings]

Is there a luckier SOB than Herb Hand?

 

[sluggo72]

Is there a luckier SOB than Herb Hand?

why do you say that?

 

[jim cummings]

why do you say that?

https://www.oanow.com/sports/colleg...cle_5a226abe-96ad-11e7-a9a2-3b59d796b266.html

“Negative plays aren’t a new problem for the current coaching staff. Offensive line coach Herb Hand’s units at Tulsa, Vanderbilt and Penn State ranked 85th or worse nationally in negative plays allowed from 2008-13. His first line at Auburn got off to an awful start, allowing an FBS-worst 32 through the first three games of last season.”

 

[Nitt1300]

our priorities are questionable at best

 

[LionDeNittany]

1. Sam Pittman, Georgia — $825,000
2. Will Friend, Tennessee — $805,000
3. Joe Rudolph, Wisconsin^ — $720,000
4. Greg Frey, Florida State — $675,000
5. Justin Frye, UCLA — $650,000
5. Herb Hand, Texas — $650,000
7. Mike Summers, Louisville — $632,000
8. Bill Bedenbaugh, Oklahoma — $625,000
9. Jim Turner, Texas A&M — $600,000
9. Eric Wolford, South Carolina — $600,000

The average pay for a General Surgeon is $260,468 per year.

$118k (low) $260k median $391k top 90%

They could have the Surgeon General pay $3mm a year to the government for that position and they would still have a line a mile long.

 

[sluggo72]

https://www.oanow.com/sports/colleg...cle_5a226abe-96ad-11e7-a9a2-3b59d796b266.html

“Negative plays aren’t a new problem for the current coaching staff. Offensive line coach Herb Hand’s units at Tulsa, Vanderbilt and Penn State ranked 85th or worse nationally in negative plays allowed from 2008-13. His first line at Auburn got off to an awful start, allowing an FBS-worst 32 through the first three games of last season.”

is that HH or having to play RS Frosh (59,72)? to me, 59 is not strong enough at the POA and gets knocked back into the tackle trapping. As far as negative yards goes, we still have that problem, and will under we change our blocking schemes. I did notice they cut the Auburn off at 3 games, just wondering how that worked out? IIRC they ran the ball pretty well HH first year at AU.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

College football is ignorance gone to seed. There are no adults in control.

 

[diontechristmas]

our priorities are questionable at best

They would get paid like a gym teachers if millions didn’t watch on tv and attend games.

It’s big money, and the people that win games and keep the money flowing get paid appropriately.

 

[Nitt1300]

They would get paid like a gym teachers if millions didn’t watch on tv and attend games.

It’s big money, and the people that win games and keep the money flowing get paid appropriately.

and Britney Spears makes more money than an emergency room nurse does too- like I said, questionable priorities

 

[diontechristmas]

and Britney Spears makes more money than an emergency room nurse does too- like I said, questionable priorities

You mean like 84,000 posts on a message board. Like you said, questionable priorities.

These guys have rare skills/are considered to be among the best as what they do. They are paid the market rate rate for their services, and we are to blame for creating the market. I fail to see how this shows our priorities are out of whack.

 

[Nitt1300]

You mean like 84,000 posts on a message board. Like you said, questionable priorities.

These guys have rare skills/are considered to be among the best as what they do. They are paid the market rate rate for their services, and we are to blame for creating the market. I fail to see how this shows our priorities are out of whack.

I said they were questionable- guessing that saving lives might be more important than bad singing, at least to some people

opinions will vary, of course

 

[Obliviax]

simple law of supply and demand.

 

[Art]

simple law of supply and demand.

Or greater fool theory.

 

[Obliviax]

Or greater fool theory.

People pay for what they get in return relative to what it will cost them. there are tons of people that are qualified and would jump at the job to be the Surgeon General...who really doesn't do much but listen to Drs and make speeches about how you need to eat right and exercise.

A good OL coach is part of a team that puts 100,000 people in the stands on Saturdays and makes their university tens of millions of dollars each year in hard cash, 100's of millions in terms of brand and brand awareness. If you didn't value the OL coach and he made $600k, you'd let him go. But you don't, when you see he's going to leave to make $700k you offer him something more than that to stay. Supply and demand: learn it, live it, love it.

 

[TheBigUglies]

Wait, this is just Top 10 due to salary and not Top 10 due to actually being good at it and have OL that open up hole big enough for tractor trailers?

 

[Marylovesthelions]

You mean like 84,000 posts on a message board. Like you said, questionable priorities.

These guys have rare skills/are considered to be among the best as what they do. They are paid the market rate rate for their services, and we are to blame for creating the market. I fail to see how this shows our priorities are out of whack.

The market rate is the result of a total lack of control by the NCAA, university presidents and government supervision of public institutions

 

[dailybuck777]

1. Sam Pittman, Georgia — $825,000
2. Will Friend, Tennessee — $805,000
3. Joe Rudolph, Wisconsin^ — $720,000
4. Greg Frey, Florida State — $675,000
5. Justin Frye, UCLA — $650,000
5. Herb Hand, Texas — $650,000
7. Mike Summers, Louisville — $632,000
8. Bill Bedenbaugh, Oklahoma — $625,000
9. Jim Turner, Texas A&M — $600,000
9. Eric Wolford, South Carolina — $600,000

The average pay for a General Surgeon is $260,468 per year.

$118k (low) $260k median $391k top 90%

You could also compare docs to Satya Nadella of Microsoft or Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook and their executives. Much of the tech world turns out crap, but people pay for it.

 

[BobPSU92]

 

[Obliviax]

View embedded media

Best commercial of the season

The worst? WTF is that commercial where everyone pops a can of pepsi and makes the FG kicker miss? It is so bad. First, nobody gets a can in a stadium anymore let alone a coach. And 100,000 people screaming don't rattle the kicker but a few cans of pepsi do? Just such a weird commercial so far from any possible reality.

 

[ga.lion]

1. Sam Pittman, Georgia — $825,000
2. Will Friend, Tennessee — $805,000
3. Joe Rudolph, Wisconsin^ — $720,000
4. Greg Frey, Florida State — $675,000
5. Justin Frye, UCLA — $650,000
5. Herb Hand, Texas — $650,000
7. Mike Summers, Louisville — $632,000
8. Bill Bedenbaugh, Oklahoma — $625,000
9. Jim Turner, Texas A&M — $600,000
9. Eric Wolford, South Carolina — $600,000

The average pay for a General Surgeon is $260,468 per year.

$118k (low) $260k median $391k top 90%

Greg Frey was way overpaid based on that offense..........

 

[mmp121]

Bama & Clemson must get the best bang for their buck. Their OL coaches aren't in the top 10, yet they made the playoffs the last 4 years.

 

[cjrugger]

The market rate is the result of a total lack of control by the NCAA, university presidents and government supervision of public institutions

So you think the NCAA should artificially cap an individual's income?

 

[IANit]

1. Sam Pittman, Georgia — $825,000
2. Will Friend, Tennessee — $805,000
3. Joe Rudolph, Wisconsin^ — $720,000
4. Greg Frey, Florida State — $675,000
5. Justin Frye, UCLA — $650,000
5. Herb Hand, Texas — $650,000
7. Mike Summers, Louisville — $632,000
8. Bill Bedenbaugh, Oklahoma — $625,000
9. Jim Turner, Texas A&M — $600,000
9. Eric Wolford, South Carolina — $600,000

The average pay for a General Surgeon is $260,468 per year.

$118k (low) $260k median $391k top 90%

Based on cursory research, there are maybe 15,000 high schools with football teams. Maybe 760 or so college programs. Presumably each has an OL coach of some sort. These then are the top .006 percent of OL coaches excluding pros. Each story's a little different too, so there's more to the story than just a random OL coach being paid seemingly obscene amounts of money. Sam Pittman is a top recruiter and turned down other jobs in the off season. Joe Rudolph is also the Badgers' Offensive Coordinator and probably looking at head jobs. Hand and Bedenbaugh are Co-OCs. Summers was as well before losing his job after two seasons, something general surgeons don't normally have to worry about.

I'm also not sure that the comparison to a general surgeon is the best one. Surgical specialists on average are paid more than general surgeons, and coaching OL at that level is kind of a specialty with their work always under intense scrutiny.

The salaries seem a bit ridiculous, but reflect market and other forces. For those who don't like the salaries big-time coaches are paid, you can always just stop watching and following football. Maybe you can see if some general surgeons will let you pay them to watch their work.

 

[Woodpecker]

So you're saying that surgeons could make more if they knew anything about zone blocking. I, for one, am relieved to know that my surgeon didn't pursue medicine for the money.

 

[junior1]

1. Sam Pittman, Georgia — $825,000
2. Will Friend, Tennessee — $805,000
3. Joe Rudolph, Wisconsin^ — $720,000
4. Greg Frey, Florida State — $675,000
5. Justin Frye, UCLA — $650,000
5. Herb Hand, Texas — $650,000
7. Mike Summers, Louisville — $632,000
8. Bill Bedenbaugh, Oklahoma — $625,000
9. Jim Turner, Texas A&M — $600,000
9. Eric Wolford, South Carolina — $600,000

The average pay for a General Surgeon is $260,468 per year.

$118k (low) $260k median $391k top 90%

Wait until Medicare for all. At Medicare reimbursement rates surgeons will make 2/3 less

 

[sammyk]

I think that college coaches should make a good salary, now what that might be is debatable. College coaches do work long hours and have to recruit so they are away from home a lot so that is something to consider. College coaches at most levels are in a very pressured situation and performance is vital to a coach keeping his job. There is the supply and demand argument and the tv $$$$ pushes salaries up. And yes these guys make more than a surgeons/lawyers/cops/teachers/firemen/ect ect. It is what it is. I am not saying that I think what a FBS college coach makes is a little crazy, it is but being a high school teacher/football coach I just could not fathom making $80,000 a year let alone $800,000

 

[Marylovesthelions]

So you think the NCAA should artificially cap an individual's income?

No artificial bs phrasing. A start would be a cap. By the way, university administrators used the insane salary of coaches to push their salaries into seven figures. Like I said, no adult supervision.

 

[cjrugger]

No artificial bs phrasing. A start would be a cap. By the way, university administrators used the insane salary of coaches to push their salaries into seven figures. Like I said, no adult supervision.

So you do want a salary cap? Isn't that an artificial cap?

 

[Art]

People pay for what they get in return relative to what it will cost them. there are tons of people that are qualified and would jump at the job to be the Surgeon General...who really doesn't do much but listen to Drs and make speeches about how you need to eat right and exercise.

A good OL coach is part of a team that puts 100,000 people in the stands on Saturdays and makes their university tens of millions of dollars each year in hard cash, 100's of millions in terms of brand and brand awareness. If you didn't value the OL coach and he made $600k, you'd let him go. But you don't, when you see he's going to leave to make $700k you offer him something more than that to stay. Supply and demand: learn it, live it, love it.

I have no problem with anyone making a lot of money.

 

[Art]

No artificial bs phrasing. A start would be a cap. By the way, university administrators used the insane salary of coaches to push their salaries into seven figures. Like I said, no adult supervision.

So you do want a salary cap? Isn't that an artificial cap?

Sorry folks, not happening. Little impediment called the Sherman Antitrust Act. End of discussion.

 

[Obliviax]

No artificial bs phrasing. A start would be a cap. By the way, university administrators used the insane salary of coaches to push their salaries into seven figures. Like I said, no adult supervision.

I don't think that would survive a legal challenge. Would be an interesting case, though. Caps would not be allowed to be arbitrary. The employee has to have a way out within the industry or have some kind of collective bargaining agreement. I don't think the NCAA member schools can collude and not expect to be challenged in court.

 

[chiro31]

and Britney Spears makes more money than an emergency room nurse does too- like I said, questionable priorities

Have u seen Spears in a nurses outfit? Just askin

 

[sluggo72]

Have u seen Spears in a nurses outfit? Just askin

GD?? Have you no regard for the rules?? Flag on top of Flags!!

 

[Art]

I don't think hat would survive a legal challenge. Would be an interesting case, though. Caps would not be allowed to be arbitrary. The employee has to have a way out within the industry or have some kind of collective bargaining agreement. I don't think the NCAA member schools can collude and not expect to be challenged in court.

Life expectancy of three seconds. Even Little Donnie Remy isn't that bad of an attorney.

 

[KnightSlayer]

simple law of supply and demand.

Really? I think there are more people in this country that could coach an Oline than perform surgery on a human.

 

[Obliviax]

Really? I think there are more people in this country that could coach an Oline than perform surgery on a human.

..and win?

 

[sluggo72]

Really? I think there are more people in this country that could coach an Oline than perform surgery on a human.

yup

 

[sluggo72]

..and win?

and yup

 

[Obliviax]

and yup

These guys are paid based on their skill set. If they weren't worth it, the schools wouldn't approve the budget. At some point, CJF went to PSU and said 'if you want to win (and keep 100k paying customers, parking, eating and TV engaged) you've got to pony up for the assistant coaches." If PSU agrees they pay. If they don't, they have to get a new coach.

Supply and demand...it is the very definition of it.