Finals Senior Big Board - Which College Won
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Do these three wrestle at three different weights in college, or only two? Guess we'll find out down the road.
Agreed. I can see an argument for Lee, Yianni, Arujau, Fix, and Singletary, maybe Berge and Labriola. Anyone after that is uncertainty about Nick due to skipping his SR year.
BTW, 2 of those guys are headed to Cornell. Iowa also landed 2 top 10 guys. Tanners and Pokes got 2 top 10-15. Michigan got 5 top 100 guys.
But that's OK, because overall 2018 looks stronger, and we're obliterating that class.
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Well, you have Fix, Spencer Lee, Yianni, Arujou, Warner, and apparently Berge. That's six. Not sure who the other two would be. Maybe Singletary and Labriola? Dunno.
Yup, heard car broke but should be in Happy Valley by Sunday
Beard needs a new car.
Beard needs a new car.
Over the last 8 years, 47.5% (38/80) of the NCAA champs were ranked as top 10 recruits, 61.25% (49/80) were ranked as top 15 recruits, and 38.75% (31/80) were ranked outside of the top 15.
whats up with #s 11-15 only making up 14%.....slackers
Outstanding data, mrh, although the higher end recruits are beginning to win more often.
Over the last five recruiting classes, there have been 15 NCAA winners and 12 of them were ranked top 15 in HS. And 8 of those were top 5. Only 3 guys ranked higher than 15 have won titles.
My point is that these rankings are ID'ing future champs better than before. While not absolute, to have any chance to win team titles, you have got to load up on top five, ten, and fifteen talent. PSU and O$U are.
Over the last five recruiting classes, there have been 15 NCAA winners and 12 of them were ranked top 15 in HS. And 8 of those were top 5. Only 3 guys ranked higher than 15 have won titles.
My point is that these rankings are ID'ing future champs better than before. While not absolute, to have any chance to win team titles, you have got to load up on top five, ten, and fifteen talent. PSU and O$U are.
I'm pretty sure it was a FLO analysis that found that under Cael top 10 kids have a better than 53 % chance of winning a national title. Just saying things look very good for Lee and Berge.
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Saw him at a tournament this weekend. He had a short guy with a Coe College hoodie on in his corner.
That was bscaf at BSD, not Flo ... http://www.blackshoediaries.com/201...tate-wrestling-recruiting-and-us-open-preview
"Very few champs come from outside the top 15 and most are top 10" and "the higher end recruits are beginning to win more often" just aren't true statements.
mrh's stats above are accurate, I'll take the same years and look at it from a slightly different angle.
Of the 80 National Championship honors since and including 2010 (8 years), there were only 54 different individuals winning those championships. Counting Dake and Stieber 4x, Ruth, Dieringer and Ruth 3x, and 14 other guys with 2 championships...double, triple and quadruple accounting skews the data. Again, mrh's data is great, this is just adding to those stats. Note that the starting point is 2010, so data prior is not considered.
Of the 54 individuals;
-- 22 were top-10 recruits (40.7%)
-- 32 were not top-10 recruits
Of the 3x or 4x champs (Dake, Stieber, Ruth, Dieringer, and Cox), Dieringer (#15) was the only one outside the top-10.
Of the 19 individuals with multiple championships during these 8 years;
-- 10 were top-10 recruits (53%)
-- 9 were not top-10 recruits
-- Among the REPEAT champs, there was a #49 (Tony Nelson), a #73 (Gabe Dean), and a #75 (Jesse Delgado) ranked wrestler
13 of the 54 National Champs in the past 8 years (24%) were outside the top-50 recruiting rankings; (in order, from lowest to highest) #53 Houdashelt, #54 Simaz, #65 Gadsen, #66 Garrett, #68 Molinaro, #73 Dean, #75 Delgado, #88 Brown, #94 Burroughs, #176 Bosak, and not-rated guys Zabriskie, Robles, and Maple.
-- In 2011, five of the 10 champs were ranked outside the top-30 (#34, $42, #46, #94, and not-rated)
-- In 2012, four of the 10 champs were ranked outside the top-40 (#49, #54, #68, and #176)
-- In 2015, four of the 10 champs were ranked outside the top-50 (#53, #65, #73, and #88)
Not throwing shade on the benefit of recruiting blue-chippers, not at all. Opening up the data to include All-Americans would (imo) show a slightly better correlation to rankings coming out of high school. That said, it's still imperfect.
Recruiting a wrestler for their "fit" into the program, among other things, is a variable that can yield results.
