Flo 157 Predictions

[tikk10]

CP lumps Nolf in with Joe Smith and Palacio as title contenders, Smith because he'll no longer be a TRFR but instead a TRSO and Palacio because he can scramble and possesses an "unknown element" ... despite having wrestled at 157 last season (but unknown I guess because he didn't face Nolf). Pretty sure Smith isn't any closer to Nolf than Sorensen is to Zain. And Palacio will lose 3 of every 4 scrambles with Nolf. I do think Palacio is the least likely on the list to avoid a major against Nolf though.

Those three followed by Kemerer, Rohskopf, Murphy, LaVallee, Early III.

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/47578-157-ncaa-preview-and-predictions

 

[FineMaterial]

The Nolf/Smith video with the article was a good choice. I'd forgotten how close that was.

 

[diggerpup]

I want to see Nolf wrestle Palacio. Scrambles & more scrambles.

Nolf beats him handily, but that should be a very entertaining match.

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Also, Kemerer should have only 1 loss or undefeated when Nolf strolls into Carver Hawkeye. Should be a little bit of buzz leading up to that match.

 

[RoarLions1]

CP lumps Nolf in with Joe Smith and Palacio as title contenders, Smith because he'll no longer be a TRFR but instead a TRSO and Palacio because he can scramble and possesses an "unknown element" ... despite having wrestled at 157 last season (but unknown I guess because he didn't face Nolf). Pretty sure Smith isn't any closer to Nolf than Sorensen is to Zain. And Palacio will lose 3 of every 4 scrambles with Nolf. I do think Palacio is the least likely on the list to avoid a major against Nolf though.

Those three followed by Kemerer, Rohskopf, Murphy, LaVallee, Early III.

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/47578-157-ncaa-preview-and-predictions

I'm going to go the other way on Palacio. Only 2 Majors given up in his entire college career, both at 165, and one of those (1/1/2014) to DT. His other was an 8-point loss to Cole Gracey (1/1/2015), right after returning from a medical absence. Nolf by decision, imo.

 

[lobo lion]

CP lumps Nolf in with Joe Smith and Palacio as title contenders, Smith because he'll no longer be a TRFR but instead a TRSO and Palacio because he can scramble and possesses an "unknown element" ... despite having wrestled at 157 last season (but unknown I guess because he didn't face Nolf). Pretty sure Smith isn't any closer to Nolf than Sorensen is to Zain. And Palacio will lose 3 of every 4 scrambles with Nolf. I do think Palacio is the least likely on the list to avoid a major against Nolf though.

Those three followed by Kemerer, Rohskopf, Murphy, LaVallee, Early III.

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/47578-157-ncaa-preview-and-predictions

"I do think Palacio is the least likely on the list to avoid a major against Nolf though."

Just to be clear, the least likely to avoid a major means you think he's the most likely to be majored by Nolf. Is that really what you meant?

The Southern Scuffle matchup with Smith was a very tough match. Unlike Zain's matches with Sorenson -- where I don't recall ever really worrying about the outcome -- that one was in doubt until the final seconds. A major later in the year provides some comfort, but I still worry about Smith, and don't begrudge CP for including Smith in the top grouping.

 

[nitlion6]

Smith wrestled the game plan @ the Scuffle and Jason let him get away with it. At NCAAS Jason attacked with a little more reckless aggressiveness that initiated more wrestling. Therefore Jason won going away.
I don't expect to see Jason taking any steps backwards as far as his aggressiveness goes and the only prayer JoJo has is to find a way to Chris Perry him.
Palacio? He can't win if he wrestles but his strength is wrestling not stalling.
My belief is there are 3 or 4 kids at this weight competing for 2nd place. I understand not putting Jason in a singular category like DT or Zain - Jason was extremely dominate last year, but he has not won a title yet.

 

[RoarLions1]

Absolutely ridiculous to do this now...it's my reminder to keep adding up the points as we go along...

So far, through 157, or half the weight classes, and using Placement and Advancement Points for Tournament Scoring, it's Iowa in the lead, PSU 3 points behind, and Ok State 4 points behind PSU.

Will keep this very suspenseful metric posted as each weight class is released. Please remain calm.

 

[tikk10]

"I do think Palacio is the least likely on the list to avoid a major against Nolf though."

Just to be clear, the least likely to avoid a major means you think he's the most likely to be majored by Nolf. Is that really what you meant?

The Southern Scuffle matchup with Smith was a very tough match. Unlike Zain's matches with Sorenson -- where I don't recall ever really worrying about the outcome -- that one was in doubt until the final seconds. A major later in the year provides some comfort, but I still worry about Smith, and don't begrudge CP for including Smith in the top grouping.

Thanks for pointing out my poorly worded assertion. I meant to say that I think Palacio may have the best chance I this list of avoiding a bonus loss to Nolf. Palacio is extremely talented but inconsistent, so it'd have to be on one of his better days. I also agree with CP's analysis re Palacio's ability to reduce opponent scoring opportunities with long scrambles, as possibly nullifying Nolf's catch and release game. But Palacio takes chances too and Nolf is unparalleled at finding a pin out of a chaotic situation.

 

[tikk10]

I'm going to go the other way on Palacio. Only 2 Majors given up in his entire college career, both at 165, and one of those (1/1/2014) to DT. His other was an 8-point loss to Cole Gracey (1/1/2015), right after returning from a medical absence. Nolf by decision, imo.

Yeah, sorry for my poor choice of words, I agree with you, meant to say Palacio is most likely to avoid getting bonused.

 

[RoarLions1]

Yeah, sorry for my poor choice of words, I agree with you, meant to say Palacio is most likely to avoid getting bonused.

Ha, never thought in a million years you'd ever be unclear with the written word, you're one of the bestest and goodest righters on hear .

 

[RandyL]

Ha, never thought in a million years you'd ever be unclear with the written word, you're one of the bestest and goodest righters on hear .

Since...as some great coach was fond of saying...you either get better or you get worse.....how SPECIFICALLY do ZR and JN improve themselves this year?

 

[RoarLions1]

Randy, not sure if you're asking me or not, as your question has nothing to do with my critique of tikk's posting , but it's worth a stab...

Zain will work on his hand-fighting and creating angles for attacks, adding more offense. Fans may not see it much since he is such a great rider. And he's stronger this year, which is a scary thought.

Jason, I hear, is stronger too, and will be looking to improve on his 44-2 takedown advantage in the first period of duals.

The Joepa quote is “If you're not getting better you're getting worse”...one of his best.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

Pinning combinations for Jason so he gets more pins and less tech falls. Every point counts at NCAAs

Better angles and clears on his feet and more varied pinning combos to combat the "turtle stall" he is going to face the next two years for Zain.

 

[amalone]

The Nolf/Smith video with the article was a good choice. I'd forgotten how close that was.

Let's not forget that Jason took Jo Jo apart at Nationals and majored him 11-3. The Southern Scuffle was earlier in the season... Jason at his best, took apart Jo Jo and wore him down. Jo Jo's stalling wasn't as effective in their 2nd match.

 

[matter7172]

Flo apparently forgot Smith's match in Ithaca last year, which had Coach Smith turning his back to the mat and refusing to coach his son. Damndest thing I've ever seen.

 

[El-Jefe]

Flo apparently forgot Smith's match in Ithaca last year, which had Coach Smith turning his back to the mat and refusing to coach his son. Damndest thing I've ever seen.

JP linked this story over on BSD. It turns out that Smith could coach lots of other peoples' kids, could coach his nephew and his brother, but was emotionally unprepared to coach his own son.

Lots of other juicy nuggets, article well worth a full read.

http://s400.trackwrestling.com/tw/P...121941094&mc_cid=feb7c122a0&mc_eid=3e4018b0af

 

[SRATH]

Can't find video of NCAA match.....but JN created separation between the two. Of course JJS ain't standing still.....will be fun

 

[T J]

JP linked this story over on BSD. It turns out that Smith could coach lots of other peoples' kids, could coach his nephew and his brother, but was emotionally unprepared to coach his own son.

Lots of other juicy nuggets, article well worth a full read.

http://s400.trackwrestling.com/tw/P...121941094&mc_cid=feb7c122a0&mc_eid=3e4018b0af

Good stuff El-Jefe.

Comments about Coach Smith's reactions when his son wrestles are worth the read.

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They ended with a unique and fun little tidbit that wrestling fans might like to see...

We’ll wrap it up with this: John Smith confirmed that he’s making a return to competition.

Sort of.

The Oklahoma State softball team made a deal with coach Kenny Gajewski last season. If they got hit by pitch 50 times, he’d take on the six-time World and Olympic champion.

“They told me last year when I agreed to that that there’s no way they could get (hit) 50 (times),” Smith said. “Don’t ever say, ‘No way’ to women who are motivated.”

The Cowgirls got plunked 54 times, so Gajewski will take on Smith on Oct. 28 at Oklahoma State’s Homecoming & Hoops event.

“I’m going to live up to it,” Smith said. “I’d say I’ve got a pretty good shot. I think I’m safe there.”

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[FineMaterial]

Flo apparently forgot Smith's match in Ithaca last year, which had Coach Smith turning his back to the mat and refusing to coach his son. Damndest thing I've ever seen.

link?
That is also one of my favorite features of the OSU dual meet last season, John was getting up and turning around a lot at that dual.

 

[matter7172]

link?
That is also one of my favorite features of the OSU dual meet last season, John was getting up and turning around a lot at that dual.

I don't know if there is one. We were at the OSU/Cornell match in person. Palacio was taking down JoJo at will near the end of the match and Smith just turned his back and walked away from the mat shaking his head.

 

[redblades]

I don't know if there is one. We were at the OSU/Cornell match in person. Palacio was taking down JoJo at will near the end of the match and Smith just turned his back and walked away from the mat shaking his head.

I'm pretty sure it would be archived on Ivy Digital (can't confirm at the moment as I usually subscribe monthly during wrestling season - so I haven't renewed yet) FWIW, FLO does have a pbp description of the dual here: http://www.flowrestling.org/result/8397-oklahoma-state-vs-cornell

Palacio won 8-4 on the strength of two funky counter takedowns and riding time, they traded a takedown for a reversal, an escape point for Palacio and 2 escapes for Smith.

 

[tikk10]

I'm pretty sure it would be archived on Ivy Digital (can't confirm at the moment as I usually subscribe monthly during wrestling season - so I haven't renewed yet) FWIW, FLO does have a pbp description of the dual here: http://www.flowrestling.org/result/8397-oklahoma-state-vs-cornell

Palacio won 8-4 on the strength of two funky counter takedowns and riding time, they traded a takedown for a reversal, an escape point for Palacio and 2 escapes for Smith.

I remember watching the dual on Ivy Digital but it doesn't show up on the search page, but maybe it's behind the paywall. Shame because it was a really fun/interesting match, would love to watch it again.

 

[mike tognetti]

Let's not forget that Jason took Jo Jo apart at Nationals and majored him 11-3. The Southern Scuffle was earlier in the season... Jason at his best, took apart Jo Jo and wore him down. Jo Jo's stalling wasn't as effective in their 2nd match.

JoJo was hurt at Nationals, missed a few duals at the end of the season. Jason will be a tough out for Jo but he has it in him. Will see at Reno in Dec if Joe closed the gap or Jason is showing he's all alone on top.

 

[manmythlegend1]

Let's not forget that Jason took Jo Jo apart at Nationals and majored him 11-3. The Southern Scuffle was earlier in the season... Jason at his best, took apart Jo Jo and wore him down. Jo Jo's stalling wasn't as effective in their 2nd match.

I agree with you Amalone, I do think if Nolf keeps his high pace and gets after it from the beginning he will beat JoJo by major...but I totally understand how many will have a wait and see approach. If PSU had a True freshman perform as JoJo did we would be high on his growth potential in his second season also.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Mike you positive cowboy starters doing Reno and scuffle?

 

[amalone]

JoJo was hurt at Nationals, missed a few duals at the end of the season. Jason will be a tough out for Jo but he has it in him. Will see at Reno in Dec if Joe closed the gap or Jason is showing he's all alone on top.

If I'm not mistaken... Jason gave Jo Jo his three pts via escapes. Jo Jo wasn't even in the match... even at the opening whistle. At full strength... Jo Jo hopefully stalls less and Jason beats him by a bigger margin.

 

[mike tognetti]

Mike you positive cowboy starters doing Reno and scuffle?

100% positive NY, got it from the man himself. Sure enough to put $200 down on a bet on this site but no takers. Also the reason they are going is just to wrestling PSU team, since PSU not going to the Scuffle, Coach wants his wrestlers to have one more look before Nationals since they might not see each other the rest of the season. I wonder why Cael backed out of the Scuffle?

 

[FineMaterial]

100% positive NY, got it from the man himself. Sure enough to put $200 down on a bet on this site but no takers. Also the reason they are going is just to wrestling PSU team, since PSU not going to the Scuffle, Coach wants his wrestlers to have one more look before Nationals since they might not see each other the rest of the season. I wonder why Cael backed out of the Scuffle?

See our BIG schedule. No room.

 

[nitlion6]

Backed out would mean committed and then for whatever reason withdrew.

Helping Mike out a bit. I wonder why Cael made the decision to not attend the Scuffle? That would have been a better, more accurate manner in which to make the inquiry.

 

[Golic55]

Backed out would mean committed and then for whatever reason withdrew.

Helping Mike out a bit. I wonder why Cael made the decision to not attend the Scuffle? That would have been a better, more accurate manner in which to make the inquiry.

Because he can.
No sane person wants to hang out in Chattanooga.
Only thing worse is Chicago in January with the Iowans.
No brainer.

 

[El-Jefe]

Backed out would mean committed and then for whatever reason withdrew.

Helping Mike out a bit. I wonder why Cael made the decision to not attend the Scuffle? That would have been a better, more accurate manner in which to make the inquiry.

Tognetti knows perfectly well why PSU is not going to the Scuffle. He's been told multiple times. But he'd rather imply or directly call Cael's manhood into question.

Department of Redundancy Dept alert: Tognetti is being a troll. Don't take the bait.

 

[nitlion6]

I am certain Mikey was just stammering a bit. Probably just a little TIA moment. You just need to be patient with Mike. Eventually it sinks in enough for him to get a basic understanding.

 

[mike tognetti]

I am certain Mikey was just stammering a bit. Probably just a little TIA moment. You just need to be patient with Mike. Eventually it sinks in enough for him to get a basic understanding.

That was a good reply nitlion6 but El Jefe was correct. I'm a little slow some of the time, being a troll all the time.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Mike- People have no desire to bet with you as you have not come through with the payment for the last bet. Please post the picture you owe and with that offer your new bet. You might have a few takers. I very much wish PSU had stayed in the scuffle. I also think a PSU vs OSU dual is likely to happen with the dual championship series.

 

[nitlion6]

The Lions almost certainly will be back in the Scuffle next season.
The fans and the staff like the event. I would b willing to bet PSU has let the Big10 know the PSU B1G schedule is not what is desired and there will b a different schedule next season.