Flo Projected NCAA allocations

[psugrad85]

Based off the NCAA formula, the Wrestling Nomad of FloWrestling is projecting the auto qualifiers. For the Big 10…

Projected Allocation Last Year

125 - 10 7
133 - 8 9
141 - 9 9
149 - 7 6
157 - 8 9
165 - 10 7
174 - 8 9
184 - 8 9
197 - 6 7
Hwt - 7 5


Hopefully Kuhn can finish top 10 and Keener top 8.

 

[RoarLions1]

Based off the NCAA formula, the Wrestling Nomad of FloWrestling is projecting the auto qualifiers. For the Big 10…

Projected Allocation Last Year

125 - 10 7
133 - 8 9
141 - 9 9
149 - 7 6
157 - 8 9
165 - 10 7
174 - 8 9
184 - 8 9
197 - 6 7
Hwt - 7 5


Hopefully Kuhn can finish top 10 and Keener top 8.

That's IF his projections are right. Hope they are.

At 133 for example, Renteria only has 7 bouts, so he didn't earn the B1G a slot...could be a factor, though Keener's body-of-work, at the very least, should easily get him to NCAA's, but is affected by those in front of him that lose in their conference tourney without earning the auto-qualifier spots.

 

[Maddog]

Based off the NCAA formula, the Wrestling Nomad of FloWrestling is projecting the auto qualifiers. For the Big 10…

Projected Allocation Last Year

125 - 10 7
133 - 8 9
141 - 9 9
149 - 7 6
157 - 8 9
165 - 10 7
174 - 8 9
184 - 8 9
197 - 6 7
Hwt - 7 5


Hopefully Kuhn can finish top 10 and Keener top 8.

If these pan out, then Cenzo will get a first round match in B1G tourney if seeded 3rd as expected, and Zain, Nolf (if healthy), Mark, Bo, Shak, and Nevills all have a shot at a first round match. More chances for bonus points.

 

[findtheStrength]

If these pan out, then Cenzo will get a first round match if seeded 3rd as expected, and Zain, Nolf (if healthy), Mark, Bo, Shak, and Nevills all have a shot at a first round match. More chances for bonus points.

Cenzo wont be seeded 3rd after he wins big tens

 

[Cowbell Man]

Cenzo wont be seeded 3rd after he wins big tens

He’s talking about seeding at BiG’s where if seeded 3rd as expected, will get a first round match because the weight will be seeded out to 14....due to 10 AQ allocations.

If he was 1st or 2nd at Bigs, he would get bye and no bonus in the first round. (If 9 or greater AQ allocations)

 

[Maddog]

He’s talking about seeding at BiG’s where if seeded 3rd as expected, will get a first round match because the weight will be seeded out to 14....due to 10 AQ allocations.

If he was 1st or 2nd at Bigs, he would get bye and no bonus in the first round. (If 9 or greater AQ allocations)

Yeah, forgot to mention that I was talking about B1G tourney. Have edited my original post.

 

[west2east]

Based off the NCAA formula, the Wrestling Nomad of FloWrestling is projecting the auto qualifiers. For the Big 10…

Projected Allocation Last Year

125 - 10 7
133 - 8 9
141 - 9 9
149 - 7 6
157 - 8 9
165 - 10 7
174 - 8 9
184 - 8 9
197 - 6 7
Hwt - 7 5


Hopefully Kuhn can finish top 10 and Keener top 8.

Keener would be in decent shape as a wildcard if needed(I think hes top 8)
He would be silver from coaches poll and RPI.

 

[PSU_Nut]

What is preventing Cassar from getting an at large selection? I read quickly through the NCAA publications and the only thing I found is if two wrestlers from the same institution are in a tournament only the higher scorer counts towards the team score. Has it ever happened before?

 

[JasonBryant]

What is preventing Cassar from getting an at large selection? I read quickly through the NCAA publications and the only thing I found is if two wrestlers from the same institution are in a tournament only the higher scorer counts towards the team score. Has it ever happened before?

You only get one entry into the post-season in the NCAA.

 

[aalion]

What is preventing Cassar from getting an at large selection? I read quickly through the NCAA publications and the only thing I found is if two wrestlers from the same institution are in a tournament only the higher scorer counts towards the team score. Has it ever happened before?

I don't know where it is in the rule book but I do know it is only 1 wrestler per weight class per school

 

[dunkej01]

You only get one entry into the post-season in the NCAA.

@JasonBryant unrelated to this....

I saw your tweet about virginia wrestling...did you get any feed back positive or negative to that?

 

[JasonBryant]

@JasonBryant unrelated to this....

I saw your tweet about virginia wrestling...did you get any feed back positive or negative to that?

Hit me on Twitter or e-mail. If you're asking if I've gotten anything from the VHSL, no. I've gotten dozens of DM's and tweets from disgruntled fans and coaches.

 

[dunkej01]

Hit me on Twitter or e-mail. If you're asking if I've gotten anything from the VHSL, no. I've gotten dozens of DM's and tweets from disgruntled fans and coaches.

I will. Im traveling today, so if I forget today, Ill get to it shortly.

 

[RoarLions1]

Keener would be in decent shape as a wildcard if needed(I think hes top 8)
He would be silver from coaches poll and RPI.

Keener is pretty close to Gold Standard, as he's in the 30th range for Win% too, at .700. Doesn't matter, all that gets tossed after the conference tourney, and all he has to do is earn Bronze Standard, which he'll certainly do. Should be moot, as I believe he'll earn his way, but if not, it really depends on who in front of him does not earn an auto-qualifier spot.

 

[Gray52]

So if Suriano doesn’t enter the tournament, does that reduce the allocation to 9?

 

[El-Jefe]

^^ What Roar said. Keener should earn one of the auto qualifier spots.

B10 has a clear top 8 and then everybody else. Keener is one of those 8. He will get one of the bottom 6 (or Bye) in Round 1, then likely Pletcher or Micic in Round 2. If he loses that, then he gets another of the bottom 6 in consis -- win that and he clinches 8th.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

So if Suriano doesn’t enter the tournament, does that reduce the allocation to 9?

Worse, if Suriano enters at 133 like some (maybe even you) have suggested, both 125 and 133 lose an allocation (I think)

 

[west2east]

Keener is pretty close to Gold Standard, as he's in the 30th range for Win% too, at .700. Doesn't matter, all that gets tossed after the conference tourney, and all he has to do is earn Bronze Standard, which he'll certainly do. Should be moot, as I believe he'll earn his way, but if not, it really depends on who in front of him does not earn an auto-qualifier spot.

Hopefully he enters gold standard if so hes in great shape

 

[86PSUPaul]

Worse, if Suriano enters at 133 like some (maybe even you) have suggested, both 125 and 133 lose an allocation (I think)

But is it a wash? One less top kid above him. Right now I believe conventional wisdom is he has to finish in top 10 three really top guys, does top 9with two really good guys make that much of a difference. Now, if the new RU guy is almost as good and he “steals” an allocation, that would be different.

And I really don’t mean steal, he will have earned it!

 

[El-Jefe]

But is it a wash? One less top kid above him. Right now I believe conventional wisdom is he has to finish in top 10 three really top guys, does top 9with two really good guys make that much of a difference. Now, if the new RU guy is almost as good and he “steals” an allocation, that would be different.

And I really don’t mean steal, he will have earned it!

It would mean both Kuhn and Keener would have to win one more match to earn an auto qualifier spot, than they would otherwise.

 

[86PSUPaul]

It would mean both Kuhn and Keener would have to win one more match to earn an auto qualifier spot, than they would otherwise.

But from a “weaker” pool? Again, note the quotes, not really saying it is easier, all these athletes have my utmost respect. I could not have done it in college.

 

[El-Jefe]

But from a “weaker” pool? Again, note the quotes, not really saying it is easier, all these athletes have my utmost respect. I could not have done it in college.

Pool doesn't matter, only specific draw.

Kuhn's draw might actually be worse. First round he would get Rivera instead of Tomasello -- not much difference. First round consolations, when he absolutely must win, he would likely get Metzler instead of Maginnis or Cray.

Keener's draw would be hard to gauge, because there's no telling if/where the B10 committee would seed Suriano with zero matches at the weight. Let's say hypothetically Keener gets the 7th seed (which is very realistic -- right now he's likely the 7th or 8th seed) and Suriano gets the 8th seed (plausible, he's clearly better than any of the bottom 6 at 133). If that happened, Keener would then need to beat either Pletcher (Round 2) or the Micic-SUriano loser (consolations) to earn an auto qualifier.

Or, they could make Suriano unseeded ... and then just hope he doesn't draw Keener in Round 1.

 

[86PSUPaul]

Pool doesn't matter, only specific draw.

Kuhn's draw might actually be worse. First round he would get Rivera instead of Tomasello -- not much difference. First round consolations, when he absolutely must win, he would likely get Metzler instead of Maginnis or Cray.

Keener's draw would be hard to gauge, because there's no telling if/where the B10 committee would seed Suriano with zero matches at the weight. Let's say hypothetically Keener gets the 7th seed (which is very realistic -- right now he's likely the 7th or 8th seed) and Suriano gets the 8th seed (plausible, he's clearly better than any of the bottom 6 at 133). If that happened, Keener would then need to beat either Pletcher (Round 2) or the Micic-SUriano loser (consolations) to earn an auto qualifier.

Or, they could make Suriano unseeded ... and then just hope he doesn't draw Keener in Round 1.

I see.

 

[RoarLions1]

Hopefully he enters gold standard if so hes in great shape

Just pointing out his Win % is within criteria too. Gold or Silver Standard are identical, as far as what they mean towards earning a slot, pre-conference tourney.

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

What is preventing Cassar from getting an at large selection? I read quickly through the NCAA publications and the only thing I found is if two wrestlers from the same institution are in a tournament only the higher scorer counts towards the team score. Has it ever happened before?

hasn't happened in the last 90 years but maybe Cael can exploit this loophole and get both title contenders in this year's tournament.

 

[dmm53]

Flo advances views and claims but offers no way to respond. They have become the tiny totalitarians of the wrestling world. I honestly think they either fear feedback or don't welcome it. Even Pyles and Saylor like to profess and bully but make themselves immune to challenge and criticism. Such is the right wing tendency of the wrestling community. Big on authority and loyalty; short on openness and truth-seeking.

 

[Aardvark86]

Flo advances views and claims but offers no way to respond. They have become the tiny totalitarians of the wrestling world. I honestly think they either fear feedback or don't welcome it. Even Pyles and Saylor like to profess and bully but make themselves immune to challenge and criticism. Such is the right wing tendency of the wrestling community. Big on authority and loyalty; short on openness and truth-seeking.

That sort of thing tends to be made worse when your business model is essentially to try to monopolize broadcast rights for niche sports with enthusiastic fan bases. For example, their rugby site is now trying to put high school rankings behind a paywall.

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

Flo advances views and claims but offers no way to respond. They have become the tiny totalitarians of the wrestling world. I honestly think they either fear feedback or don't welcome it. Even Pyles and Saylor like to profess and bully but make themselves immune to challenge and criticism. Such is the right wing tendency of the wrestling community. Big on authority and loyalty; short on openness and truth-seeking.

you can very easily find everyone on twitter, as well as FloWrestling's main account. you're much more likely to be heard and to get a response there then by leaving a comment on the website (when that was an option). CP and Willie are very much open to challenges and criticism, and in fact regularly receive it on a daily basis.

 

[smalls103]

Flo advances views and claims but offers no way to respond. They have become the tiny totalitarians of the wrestling world. I honestly think they either fear feedback or don't welcome it. Even Pyles and Saylor like to profess and bully but make themselves immune to challenge and criticism. Such is the right wing tendency of the wrestling community. Big on authority and loyalty; short on openness and truth-seeking.

kind of a weird position.

'don't welcome feedback' based on what. i'm always available and post here often. the whole flo team interacts with people on social media all the time - including LITERALLY asking for questions and feedback. i don't see that sort of openness in - frankly - any other business or industry.

if you're talking about not having the ability to comment on posts now, that feature will be coming back. there was an issue with our integration w/ 3rd party software when we moved the site from 1 format to another.

 

[Dogwelder]

... if you're talking about not having the ability to comment on posts now, that feature will be coming back. there was an issue with our integration w/ 3rd party software when we moved the site from 1 format to another.

What? You mean there was no conspiracy?

Let me sit down. My mind does not know how to process a situation in which there was no conspiracy.

 

[nitlion6]

kind of a weird position.

'don't welcome feedback' based on what. i'm always available and post here often. the whole flo team interacts with people on social media all the time - including LITERALLY asking for questions and feedback. i don't see that sort of openness in - frankly - any other business or industry.

if you're talking about not having the ability to comment on posts now, that feature will be coming back. there was an issue with our integration w/ 3rd party software when we moved the site from 1 format to another.

So, someone was saying you were real estate shopping in Easton. You moving home?
After a single winter in Austin, PA weather has to suck.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Flo advances views and claims but offers no way to respond. They have become the tiny totalitarians of the wrestling world. I honestly think they either fear feedback or don't welcome it. Even Pyles and Saylor like to profess and bully but make themselves immune to challenge and criticism. Such is the right wing tendency of the wrestling community. Big on authority and loyalty; short on openness and truth-seeking.

Let the political commentary off of this board. I come here to read about wrestling, not some disgruntled professor's views of the world.

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

Worse, if Suriano enters at 133 like some (maybe even you) have suggested, both 125 and 133 lose an allocation (I think)

There is Absolutely No way Suriano would ever go 133 this season at B1G Tournament. That is just crazy and won't happen. RU 133lber Scott Delvecchio is a 5th year Senior, 2X NCAA Qualifier and made it to round of 12 last season. Suriano has been training and he'll be ready to go at 125lbs.

 

[PSUaggie]

There is Absolutely No way Suriano would ever go 133 this season at B1G Tournament. That is just crazy and won't happen. RU 133lber Scott Delvecchio is a 5th year Senior, 2X NCAA Qualifier and made it to round of 12 last season. Suriano has been training and he'll be ready to go at 125lbs.

So why did RU pull Metzler's shirt for the last dual of the season and waste a year of his eligibility? He seems like a promising talent and you'l have room for both Suriano and Metzler next year once Delvecchio graduates.

 

[raslen007]

So, someone was saying you were real estate shopping in Easton. You moving home?
After a single winter in Austin, PA weather has to suck.

Austin, Pa? Home of the great bar The Cock-eyed Cricket. Have family from that area near Costello.

 

[tikk10]

you can very easily find everyone on twitter, as well as FloWrestling's main account. you're much more likely to be heard and to get a response there then by leaving a comment on the website (when that was an option). CP and Willie are very much open to challenges and criticism, and in fact regularly receive it on a daily basis.

The Easton Snowflake blocked me on Twitter when I made a perfectly reasonable point, i.e., that he stepped over the line by personally disparaging the TrackWrestling guys, a point he evidently agreed with by deleting his particular tweet. And I've seen him block plenty others, people I know are reasonable, over minor perceived slights. So I'll go ahead and call BS on his being very much open to challenges and criticism.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

There is Absolutely No way Suriano would ever go 133 this season at B1G Tournament. That is just crazy and won't happen. RU 133lber Scott Delvecchio is a 5th year Senior, 2X NCAA Qualifier and made it to round of 12 last season. Suriano has been training and he'll be ready to go at 125lbs.

I am not the one who suggested it lol

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

The Easton Snowflake blocked me on Twitter when I made a perfectly reasonable point, i.e., that he stepped over the line by personally disparaging the TrackWrestling guys, a point he evidently agreed with by deleting his particular tweet. And I've seen him block plenty others, people I know are reasonable, over minor perceived slights. So I'll go ahead and call BS on his being very much open to challenges and criticism.

lol my bad I thought we were just talking about the 'views and claims' CP and Willie advance on the website.

sorry to hear about you getting blocked. if you have any more reasonable points to raise with Willie about FRL or rankings or things related to wrestling just hit me up on twitter and I will relay them to Willie.

 

[smalls103]

The Easton Snowflake blocked me on Twitter when I made a perfectly reasonable point, i.e., that he stepped over the line by personally disparaging the TrackWrestling guys, a point he evidently agreed with by deleting his particular tweet. And I've seen him block plenty others, people I know are reasonable, over minor perceived slights. So I'll go ahead and call BS on his being very much open to challenges and criticism.

big difference between being 'open to feedback and criticism' and entertaining the constant whining of certain individuals.

some people are chronic complainers. you're one of them. and i don't feel guilty about blocking you (or them). it's exhausting.

even after your repeated needling, i talked to you in person at BTS in a civil discussion. It didn't stop you from taking shots at me/flo.

your delivery is all wrong. you start a post by calling me a snowflake and then wonder why i don't care to respond to your posts.

 

[NoVa Lion]

big difference between being 'open to feedback and criticism' and entertaining the constant whining of certain individuals.

some people are chronic complainers. you're one of them. and i don't feel guilty about blocking you (or them). it's exhausting.

I'm sure that is true of many who post, but I have a hard time believing it is true of tikk.