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Foley leaving InterMat

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Next week (April 1), my friend and colleague Willie Saylor will be taking over at InterMat, assisted by Earl Smith as its editor. They are passionate and knowledgeable about wrestling and will do a wonderful job in taking this site to the next level. My choosing to end the mailbag has nothing to do with them as people or editors. I really just think nine years is a long time and they have earned the right to make this site be whatever they desire.

No word on who gets custody of Mike C.
 

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Next week (April 1), my friend and colleague Willie Saylor will be taking over at InterMat, assisted by Earl Smith as its editor. They are passionate and knowledgeable about wrestling and will do a wonderful job in taking this site to the next level. My choosing to end the mailbag has nothing to do with them as people or editors. I really just think nine years is a long time and they have earned the right to make this site be whatever they desire.

No word on who gets custody of Mike C.
“nothing to do with them as people or editors” ........ I didn’t know that Foley had his “corporate speak” down so well. A new regime more often than not sweeps out the old and brings in people they trust. No doubt that Foley wrote some good articles, but, he also ran down into ridiculous rat holes many times. They guy is replaceable. Good luck to him in the next stage of his career.
 
“nothing to do with them as people or editors” ........ I didn’t know that Foley had his “corporate speak” down so well ...
The lawyers cleaned it up. His first draft was:
“I chose to end the mailbag because Earl held a gun to my head, and Willie assured me that either my brains or my signature would be on the resignation letter. That’s a true story.” :)

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Next week (April 1), my friend and colleague Willie Saylor will be taking over at InterMat, assisted by Earl Smith as its editor. They are passionate and knowledgeable about wrestling and will do a wonderful job in taking this site to the next level. My choosing to end the mailbag has nothing to do with them as people or editors. I really just think nine years is a long time and they have earned the right to make this site be whatever they desire.

No word on who gets custody of Mike C.
I believe this is kind of obligatory...

Vashe zrodovye, Komrad Foley.
 
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Foley is a journalist (with actual journalistic training and pedigree); Saylor is not. Foley was a successful D1 wrestler; Saylor was not. Foley is actually a half decent writer; Saylor is arguably not. (Yes, that is my strong opinion, having seen enough of their respective words and works.)

Here is Foley's final mailbag (for free). And an excerpt below:


Since many you like to take jabs and pot shots at Foley (because, quite patently, the wrestling community has a general right wing, tribal, and rural orthodoxy as well as an evident bias in this direction), I would submit that these final comments by him are absolutely on target and incontestable:

Less smile-inducing was the comments section. While I avoided reading too many of the notes, plenty of friends would screenshot the best insults from members of the community. The vitriol and conspiracy-minded outlook about the broader world remains my biggest criticism of our community. When I called out a famous club coach for being a Sandy Hook denier, I thought it would be something like a breaking news story and was stunned to find out his conspiracy posts were widely accepted. I was disappointed then, but I have seen now that our community has grown colder and more combative, with a sharp bend towards autocratic leadership, crass language, and a general tone of anger.

Despite the blowback and the pleading of a few readers, I didn't avoid the political side of sport, in part because they weren't separable. The decision of a state legislature to not sanction women's wrestling is one that deserves comment. A prominent wrestling team posing with a presidential candidate known for saying dangerous things about Muslims, women, and immigrants is not something we should ignore -- this is a community. Speaking out against those negative ideas and challenging the norms probably cost me readers, but the ideas discussed in the column were always intended to be more inclusive, and to help inspire a sport that aimed to grow, rather than contract. Sometimes I came up short in explaining my thoughts in a way that would welcome more people to my side of the argument, which was a missed opportunity.


Maybe, just maybe, some of you will miss Foley when he is gone because he gave reasons (not just emotional appeals) for his views; provided arguments and analysis; used literate and literary examples; and was aware and engaged and open about wrestling beyond American borders.

That, I would submit, is precisely what we need more of if the sport is going to survive.
 
Foley is a journalist (with actual journalistic training and pedigree); Saylor is not. Foley was a successful D1 wrestler; Saylor was not. Foley is actually a half decent writer; Saylor is arguably not. (Yes, that is my strong opinion, having seen enough of their respective words and works.)

Here is Foley's final mailbag (for free). And an excerpt below:


Since many you like to take jabs and pot shots at Foley (because, quite patently, the wrestling community has a general right wing, tribal, and rural orthodoxy as well as an evident bias in this direction), I would submit that these final comments by him are absolutely on target and incontestable:

Less smile-inducing was the comments section. While I avoided reading too many of the notes, plenty of friends would screenshot the best insults from members of the community. The vitriol and conspiracy-minded outlook about the broader world remains my biggest criticism of our community. When I called out a famous club coach for being a Sandy Hook denier, I thought it would be something like a breaking news story and was stunned to find out his conspiracy posts were widely accepted. I was disappointed then, but I have seen now that our community has grown colder and more combative, with a sharp bend towards autocratic leadership, crass language, and a general tone of anger.

Despite the blowback and the pleading of a few readers, I didn't avoid the political side of sport, in part because they weren't separable. The decision of a state legislature to not sanction women's wrestling is one that deserves comment. A prominent wrestling team posing with a presidential candidate known for saying dangerous things about Muslims, women, and immigrants is not something we should ignore -- this is a community. Speaking out against those negative ideas and challenging the norms probably cost me readers, but the ideas discussed in the column were always intended to be more inclusive, and to help inspire a sport that aimed to grow, rather than contract. Sometimes I came up short in explaining my thoughts in a way that would welcome more people to my side of the argument, which was a missed opportunity.


Maybe, just maybe, some of you will miss Foley when he is gone because he gave reasons (not just emotional appeals) for his views; provided arguments and analysis; used literate and literary examples; and was aware and engaged and open about wrestling beyond American borders.

That, I would submit, is precisely what we need more of if the sport is going to survive.
Good sounding points. But despite Foley’s promise, he went a whole lot of weeks without addressing cheating and corruption within his employer’s organization. In contrast, Willie pissed off his bosses so much (by calling them out) that they burned money just to try to ruin his life. Principled is as principled does. Foley talks a good game, but should I believe his mouth or my eyes?
 
Good sounding points. But despite Foley’s promise, he went a whole lot of weeks without addressing cheating and corruption within his employer’s organization. In contrast, Willie pissed off his bosses so much (by calling them out) that they burned money just to try to ruin his life. Principled is as principled does. Foley talks a good game, but should I believe his mouth or my eyes?

Wow. Too (many) folks absolutely won't let go of the Foley bone. It's a bad (and now very unfunny) almost joke. Like Suriano wrestling in the room. Or Nico taking a beating there.

I'm willing to bet (quite a lot) that Saylor in his oft-inebriation has said many dozens of things that he doesn't follow through on. Shall we do some research? The guy is a veritable BS machine.

One good thing about CP was that he called Saylor out on his nonsense and vituperations and vindictiveness and exaggerations. Saylor is often quite literally a drunken Sailor. Penn State fans cut him too many breaks because they imagine he is a conduit for recruits. Loyalty often conflicts with the truth. And truth is all-too important in journalism ... or faux attempts at it.
 
Wow. Too (many) folks absolutely won't let go of the Foley bone. It's a bad (and now very unfunny) almost joke ...
It’s not just a joke to me. Cheating and corruption are bad. If this guy preaches righteousness but works for a corrupt organization and literally and openly looks the other way, then I don’t need to hear his preaching anymore. He’s like the Goatf**ker in the joke. I don’t care if he preaches all these nice sounding sermons; he’s got no credibility; he’s the Goatf**ker. :)
 
Foley is a journalist (with actual journalistic training and pedigree); Saylor is not. Foley was a successful D1 wrestler; Saylor was not. Foley is actually a half decent writer; Saylor is arguably not. (Yes, that is my strong opinion, having seen enough of their respective words and works.)

Here is Foley's final mailbag (for free). And an excerpt below:


Since many you like to take jabs and pot shots at Foley (because, quite patently, the wrestling community has a general right wing, tribal, and rural orthodoxy as well as an evident bias in this direction), I would submit that these final comments by him are absolutely on target and incontestable:

Less smile-inducing was the comments section. While I avoided reading too many of the notes, plenty of friends would screenshot the best insults from members of the community. The vitriol and conspiracy-minded outlook about the broader world remains my biggest criticism of our community. When I called out a famous club coach for being a Sandy Hook denier, I thought it would be something like a breaking news story and was stunned to find out his conspiracy posts were widely accepted. I was disappointed then, but I have seen now that our community has grown colder and more combative, with a sharp bend towards autocratic leadership, crass language, and a general tone of anger.

Despite the blowback and the pleading of a few readers, I didn't avoid the political side of sport, in part because they weren't separable. The decision of a state legislature to not sanction women's wrestling is one that deserves comment. A prominent wrestling team posing with a presidential candidate known for saying dangerous things about Muslims, women, and immigrants is not something we should ignore -- this is a community. Speaking out against those negative ideas and challenging the norms probably cost me readers, but the ideas discussed in the column were always intended to be more inclusive, and to help inspire a sport that aimed to grow, rather than contract. Sometimes I came up short in explaining my thoughts in a way that would welcome more people to my side of the argument, which was a missed opportunity.


Maybe, just maybe, some of you will miss Foley when he is gone because he gave reasons (not just emotional appeals) for his views; provided arguments and analysis; used literate and literary examples; and was aware and engaged and open about wrestling beyond American borders.

That, I would submit, is precisely what we need more of if the sport is going to survive.

I will take Saylor over Foley every day, any day.
 
Foley is a journalist (with actual journalistic training and pedigree); Saylor is not. Foley was a successful D1 wrestler; Saylor was not. Foley is actually a half decent writer; Saylor is arguably not. (Yes, that is my strong opinion, having seen enough of their respective words and works.)

Here is Foley's final mailbag (for free). And an excerpt below:


Since many you like to take jabs and pot shots at Foley (because, quite patently, the wrestling community has a general right wing, tribal, and rural orthodoxy as well as an evident bias in this direction), I would submit that these final comments by him are absolutely on target and incontestable:

Less smile-inducing was the comments section. While I avoided reading too many of the notes, plenty of friends would screenshot the best insults from members of the community. The vitriol and conspiracy-minded outlook about the broader world remains my biggest criticism of our community. When I called out a famous club coach for being a Sandy Hook denier, I thought it would be something like a breaking news story and was stunned to find out his conspiracy posts were widely accepted. I was disappointed then, but I have seen now that our community has grown colder and more combative, with a sharp bend towards autocratic leadership, crass language, and a general tone of anger.

Despite the blowback and the pleading of a few readers, I didn't avoid the political side of sport, in part because they weren't separable. The decision of a state legislature to not sanction women's wrestling is one that deserves comment. A prominent wrestling team posing with a presidential candidate known for saying dangerous things about Muslims, women, and immigrants is not something we should ignore -- this is a community. Speaking out against those negative ideas and challenging the norms probably cost me readers, but the ideas discussed in the column were always intended to be more inclusive, and to help inspire a sport that aimed to grow, rather than contract. Sometimes I came up short in explaining my thoughts in a way that would welcome more people to my side of the argument, which was a missed opportunity.


Maybe, just maybe, some of you will miss Foley when he is gone because he gave reasons (not just emotional appeals) for his views; provided arguments and analysis; used literate and literary examples; and was aware and engaged and open about wrestling beyond American borders.

That, I would submit, is precisely what we need more of if the sport is going to survive.
So, Foley was a good writer, yet he laments that the wrestling community is "now colder and more combative." Good, but ineffectual writing, if making the community less cold and combative was the goal?
 
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Penn State fans cut him too many breaks because they imagine he is a conduit for recruits.
You apparently don’t even know where this, “Willie = PSU Recruiting Coordinator”, came from......it did not originate here. It was one of many, HR hair brained conspiracy theories, then it became a joke on this board. I seriously doubt many here, cut Willie a break, because they actually think he brings home the blue chipper’s.
 
Foley is a journalist (with actual journalistic training and pedigree); Saylor is not. Foley was a successful D1 wrestler; Saylor was not. Foley is actually a half decent writer; Saylor is arguably not. (Yes, that is my strong opinion, having seen enough of their respective words and works.)

Here is Foley's final mailbag (for free). And an excerpt below:


Since many you like to take jabs and pot shots at Foley (because, quite patently, the wrestling community has a general right wing, tribal, and rural orthodoxy as well as an evident bias in this direction), I would submit that these final comments by him are absolutely on target and incontestable:

Less smile-inducing was the comments section. While I avoided reading too many of the notes, plenty of friends would screenshot the best insults from members of the community. The vitriol and conspiracy-minded outlook about the broader world remains my biggest criticism of our community. When I called out a famous club coach for being a Sandy Hook denier, I thought it would be something like a breaking news story and was stunned to find out his conspiracy posts were widely accepted. I was disappointed then, but I have seen now that our community has grown colder and more combative, with a sharp bend towards autocratic leadership, crass language, and a general tone of anger.

Despite the blowback and the pleading of a few readers, I didn't avoid the political side of sport, in part because they weren't separable. The decision of a state legislature to not sanction women's wrestling is one that deserves comment. A prominent wrestling team posing with a presidential candidate known for saying dangerous things about Muslims, women, and immigrants is not something we should ignore -- this is a community. Speaking out against those negative ideas and challenging the norms probably cost me readers, but the ideas discussed in the column were always intended to be more inclusive, and to help inspire a sport that aimed to grow, rather than contract. Sometimes I came up short in explaining my thoughts in a way that would welcome more people to my side of the argument, which was a missed opportunity.


Maybe, just maybe, some of you will miss Foley when he is gone because he gave reasons (not just emotional appeals) for his views; provided arguments and analysis; used literate and literary examples; and was aware and engaged and open about wrestling beyond American borders.

That, I would submit, is precisely what we need more of if the sport is going to survive.

Who was the Sandy Hook denier?
 
Google says Willie won wrestling national Journalist of the Year awards in 2012 and 2016.

Remarkable for a Not A Journalist.
Take that with a grain of salt. Awards are often a joke. Take the Grammy's. Biggest joke award I know. The Grammy's give out awards every year and seem to fail to recognize the true talent until it's time for a Lifetime Achievement Award. The Who didn't win one, RUSH has never one, if my googling is correct. Some awards are a joke.

I do not know a lot about the "wrestling national Journalist of the Year" award tho. So, I may be speaking out my ass.

This is not meant to denigrate @smalls103 . I am a big fan. And as long as Pyles doesn't win... :)
 
Take that with a grain of salt. Awards are often a joke. Take the Grammy's. Biggest joke award I know. The Grammy's give out awards every year and seem to fail to recognize the true talent until it's time for a Lifetime Achievement Award. The Who didn't win one, RUSH has never one, if my googling is correct. Some awards are a joke.

I do not know a lot about the "wrestling national Journalist of the Year" award tho. So, I may be speaking out my ass.

This is not meant to denigrate @smalls103 . I am a big fan. And as long as Pyles doesn't win... :)
I get the skepticism of awards, but you and I are never winning a Grammy.

Meaning that one must perform the function and do so at least reasonably well.
 
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Meh. There's a place for both Saylor and Foley. Too many folks looking for the negative in everything. Take the most innocuous subject imaginable, and watch the vitriol spew. Sure there will be some taking an opposite stance, a more positive one, but sadly they are drowned out mostly.
 
Meh. There's a place for both Saylor and Foley. Too many folks looking for the negative in everything. Take the most innocuous subject imaginable, and watch the vitriol spew. Sure there will be some taking an opposite stance, a more positive one, but sadly they are drowned out mostly.

I agree Roar. However, there's a certain person on this board that's absolutely relentless in judging people about their politics. I have to deal with politics every day. This board is one of my escapes from that world and it absolutely pisses me off when its intruded upon.
 
Wow. Too (many) folks absolutely won't let go of the Foley bone. It's a bad (and now very unfunny) almost joke. Like Suriano wrestling in the room. Or Nico taking a beating there.

I'm willing to bet (quite a lot) that Saylor in his oft-inebriation has said many dozens of things that he doesn't follow through on. Shall we do some research? The guy is a veritable BS machine.

One good thing about CP was that he called Saylor out on his nonsense and vituperations and vindictiveness and exaggerations. Saylor is often quite literally a drunken Sailor. Penn State fans cut him too many breaks because they imagine he is a conduit for recruits. Loyalty often conflicts with the truth. And truth is all-too important in journalism ... or faux attempts at it.

lol. wtf are you talking about? talking about 'truth' then making stuff up.

Foley, imo, is a very talented writer. i wanted to keep him on. he wanted to move on.

that being said, i'll be taking over the mailbag - so suck it. or maybe you'll find out how good i am at writing.
 
lol. wtf are you talking about? talking about 'truth' then making stuff up.

Foley, imo, is a very talented writer. i wanted to keep him on. he wanted to move on.

that being said, i'll be taking over the mailbag - so suck it. or maybe you'll find out how good i am at writing.

Eloquently said.
 
I agree Roar. However, there's a certain person on this board that's absolutely relentless in judging people about their politics. I have to deal with politics every day. This board is one of my escapes from that world and it absolutely pisses me off when its intruded upon.
Count to 10, or take a couple deep breaths :). Seriously, I come here for wrestling talk, news, conversation too, and there are times, too often, that it's not what we get (political theater included).
 
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lol. wtf are you talking about? talking about 'truth' then making stuff up.

Foley, imo, is a very talented writer. i wanted to keep him on. he wanted to move on.

that being said, i'll be taking over the mailbag - so suck it. or maybe you'll find out how good i am at writing.

It will be easy to see in plain sight should willie ever go corporate.

#callsitthewayheseesit
 
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lol. wtf are you talking about? talking about 'truth' then making stuff up.

Foley, imo, is a very talented writer. i wanted to keep him on. he wanted to move on.

that being said, i'll be taking over the mailbag - so suck it. or maybe you'll find out how good i am at writing.
With that guy, all you have to do is check the timestamp of his posts.

Before midnight: most likely a good, rational, informative wrestling post.

After midnight: often a flamethrowing political rant.

It's almost as if he consumes Liquid Troll at night.
 
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