If we take care of Maryland comfortably we should remain a 6 seed, regardless of ND vs USC imo. Gotta root for Texas to beat A&M and Illinois over NW, which both should happen.
Gotta root for Illinois to win & A&M to lose.
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My belief...and we'll likely find out. Is the rankings are set for ND to jump us if they beat USC comfortably and Georgia to jump Miami if they win comfortably. Hope I'm wrong.
Texas is also in play. If they beat A&M then lose to Georgia for a second time they probably get the 6 seed pushing us to 7 or 8.
Texas is also in play. If they beat A&M then lose to Georgia for a second time they probably get the 6 seed pushing us to 7 or 8.
I think if we beat Maryland comfortably we’ll be the 6 seed. Especially if Illinois wins and A& M loses. They could have chosen to jump ND over PSU this week and did not.
I read that USC has held a lead in the 4th quarter for every single game they played this year. And MD, even though they have a worse record, beat USC.
there will be some analysis but it appears to me the cross country travel for road games has had an effect.
there will be some analysis but it appears to me the cross country travel for road games has had an effect.
USC was beating Maryland for practically the whole game and often by multiple scores, but Maryland beat them in the last minute.
Hope you're right but this wasn't the week to have ND jump us. It's after the common opponent at the same site.
ND lost to NIU at home. that should be enough for ND not to jump PSU if both win out.
I agree with that but if ND would smoke USC, you could make an argument that their resume is better than ours.
I know that this may be an unpopular opinion, but right now I would pick ND over any team except for Oregon and OSU.
well, their "big win" is TX A&M who is ranked #20. But they lost to Northern Illinois who is 3-5 in the MAC. We beat #21 ILL and lost to #2 tOSU. they've throttled several decent teams but none have the talent that USC or any of the top programs have. The top "program" they played is Fl State but FSU is 1-9. So the USC game should tell us something about ND. I wouldn't be shocked if they lost.
I hope that they lose to SC, but since that NIU game, they haven't been challenged in any other game. Their win at Louisville is looking better and better.
Not if A&M loses and drops out of the rankings. (Assuming illinois beats northwestern).
We'll have the best (and only ranked) win between the two and their loss is horrific. Smoking a team that's spiraled for 2 months since we played them doesn't come close to outweighing the other 2 points.
You really can't. Their schedule is awful. They have more in comparison with Indiana's performance this year than with ours.
Wut? How is their win at Louisville looking better and better? When ND beat Louisville, Louisville was undefeated at 3-0 and ranked 15th ... since then, Louisville has gone 4-3, including a loss 2 weeks ago against lowly Stanford.
Louisville is 7-4 including losing to Stanford. I mean, they are probably fine but no more remarkable than any of the bevy of mid-tier Big Ten teams we have beaten.
It's easy to "not be challenged" when the teams you are playing aren't any good.
Louisville slumped in the middle of the season and the Stanford loss was absurd, but they're now playing much better football; they recently blew out Clemson in Death Valley and absolutely demolished Pitt last week. Also, one of their losses was a tight game to Miami.
I'm convinced no one on this board actually watches any other games and just says whatever pops into their head if it can be used in anyway against Penn State.
It's not an irrational statement to say that ND may be the third best team in the country right now. I mean, have you watched them play this season? Other than their first game at TA&M and the loss to NIU, they've been a totally dominant team that has won almost every game in blowout fashion.
Not sure why people are laughing. I wouldn’t want to play ND right now.
I will be impressed with ND if they do to USC what they've been doing recently to their other opponents. OTOH, if they lose to USC that would say allot to me also. They are the team I feel I know least about at this stage of the season.
You could pretty much say the same thing about Indiana. They've blown out pretty much everyone they have played (except for losing to the singular good team), but have a very weak schedule. The one difference is I suppose A&M for ND, but I don't think the Aggies are really all that good.
Notre Dame certainly could be a very strong team but the issue is that their schedule has been so weak - and they have a glaring loss to NIU - that it is tough to make much determination about them.
And then there are those on the board who don't actually read what they're responding to.
What does anything you just wrote have to do with their win against Louisville looking better by the week? Which is what I was talking about. Louisville is 4-3 since playing Notre Dame, is no longer ranked, and is 11 days removed from losing to an 8 loss Stanford team. Please tell me how Louisville is looking better now than they did when they were undefeated and ranked going into their game against Notre Dame.
I wouldn't say irrational but I don't see it at all.
People overrate "dominating" bad teams IMO
ND wouldn't be in my top 5 given their soft schedule
Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Georgia and Penn State (in some order) are definitely the top 5 IMO
I think ND is better than any ACC or Big XII team...and Boise State. But is ND > Tennessee? I don't see it
I don't see them over some of the 3-loss SEC teams either.
Best Games for PSU
Obviously, it's narrowed down by now to PSU beating MD to get a home game in round 1 for sure. To get a shot at the B1G title, need to do that and have Michigan beat OSU, which is unlikely. OK, that's the easy stuff that everyone knows.
To maximize seeding, here's what helps PSU:
The most important in B1G:
Illinois over NW
USC over ND
Others in B1G (teams PSU has beat over teams PSU hasn't played)
UCLA over Fresno
Washington over Oregon
Purdue over Indiana
Minnesota over Wisconsin (we beat both, but Minn has a better record)
Culling Other At Large Bids
ACC (looks like a 2-bid league now, but an upset or two could change that)
South Carolina over Clemson (to remove Clemson from consideration)
Syracuse of Miami (actually possible)
Cal over SMU (really unlikely)
SEC
Texas over Texas A&M (eliminates A&M, figure Texas will get in even if they lose)
Ga Tech over UGA (a slight chance)
Auburn over Bama (just in case - stake the vampire, pour holy water on it, and drag its corpse into the sunlight)
Vandy over Tennessee (might put Tennessee on the bubble?)
Obviously, it's narrowed down by now to PSU beating MD to get a home game in round 1 for sure. To get a shot at the B1G title, need to do that and have Michigan beat OSU, which is unlikely. OK, that's the easy stuff that everyone knows.
To maximize seeding, here's what helps PSU:
The most important in B1G:
Illinois over NW
USC over ND
Others in B1G (teams PSU has beat over teams PSU hasn't played)
UCLA over Fresno
Washington over Oregon
Purdue over Indiana
Minnesota over Wisconsin (we beat both, but Minn has a better record)
Culling Other At Large Bids
ACC (looks like a 2-bid league now, but an upset or two could change that)
South Carolina over Clemson (to remove Clemson from consideration)
Syracuse of Miami (actually possible)
Cal over SMU (really unlikely)
SEC
Texas over Texas A&M (eliminates A&M, figure Texas will get in even if they lose)
Ga Tech over UGA (a slight chance)
Auburn over Bama (just in case - stake the vampire, pour holy water on it, and drag its corpse into the sunlight)
Vandy over Tennessee (might put Tennessee on the bubble?)
Perhaps I did overstate ND's win at Louisville because I put too much stock in Louisville going into Clemson and beating them pretty convincingly. With that said, I do believe that Louisville is a decent team.
You read the mental gymnastics. It was early.
I seem to remember 2016 and an early loss to Pitt that was used to justify why NOT to send B2G champ PSU to the playoff.
Just remember, these clowns will use whatever justification is needed to promote certain teams when it's necessary.
I would argue that Louisville is a decent team in the same way that Minnesota or Wisconsin are decent teams. Their record is inflated by playing a generally weak ACC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kentucky - who isn't all that good - beat them.
Pitt was extremely lucky in beating Pitt 24-20 with a last minute qb run. If that is your definition of demolishing...
They meant Clemson
Klubnik broke the run off in a game they easiest could/should have lost
I think the winner of SC & Clemson has a good shot to make the playoffs. There will be upsets this weekend.
Illinois is about as heavily favored to beat Purdue as we are to beat Maryland, so that part shouldn't be a concern.
Texas-Texas A&M: different story. That could go either way though Texas looks to have a slight edge.
Before getting to Notre Dame, I have to say I've been very encouraged by the treatment we've gotten this year at the hands of the committee. Given our history, who would have expected we might get the benefit of the doubt from those guys.
That said, reading between the lines of Manuel's comment as copied in your post, I think the Irish could jump us on one condition: that they dominate USC.
If they win a close or fairly close game, I don't think it will be enough. Obviously if they lose, then they'll have a lot more things to worry about than jumping us in the rankings.
Personally, I don't think Notre Dame is going to dominate USC. In fact, this is my upset special for Saturday. The Trojans have had a disappointing season so they're shooting for a big win here to end it on a high note. Nothing would be sweeter than knocking their historic rival out of the playoffs. You heard it here first...
Almost everyone supposedly in the know has been talking about it so it's now a probability. I would do as I always do and pray for that holier than thou Evil Empire to get their buts kicked.
Not in our eyes but it sounds like the CFP Committee sees PSU & ND as equal so if they smoke USC then they probably jump PSU.
I agree if ND smokes USC then they may jump us. However, I do think the committee can see the difference between losing at home to a MAC team and losing a close game to the most talented team in the country. OSU is the odds on favorite to win the Natty so that may be the deciding factor to keep us in front of ND.
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