Hack ....
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I must be missing something. I love the kid, and I think he can be our greatest QB ever, but I just don't think he's ready for the NFL. Hopefully I'll feel different after this year. We'll see. Still, it's good publicity, so congrats to Hack.was selected by Bleacher Report as their QB on the ALL "ready for NFL" team. What? he is not behind all 3 of the QBs from OSU
I have said before that Hack is a better pro prospect than Winston and Mariota. I recall Bushwood CC becoming outraged at that opinion, because he twisted that to mean that I thought Hack had a better season than Winston or Mariota. Of course, the type of season Hack had last year had relatively little to do with my opinion.
Regardless of the season Hack has this year, it is quite obvious that he is the best pro prospect to come along in years--probably since Andrew Luck. I don't think that Hack will be as good as Luck, but you never know. The thing is that Hack was tutored well by O'Brien as a freshman. He then had to play behind a porous O-line last year, where the game "sped up" for him. That is far different than a QB who played for a dominant program throwing to wide open receivers in college, such as Mark Sanchez at USC. The O-line struggles last year can actually help Hack, particularly if they (and he) find some success this year.
Hack will be as well-prepared for the NFL as anyone can be. I expect him to have a nice NFL career if he can land in a reasonably good situation.
Regardless of the season Hack has this year, it is quite obvious that he is the best pro prospect to come along in years--probably since Andrew Luck. I don't think that Hack will be as good as Luck, but you never know. The thing is that Hack was tutored well by O'Brien as a freshman. He then had to play behind a porous O-line last year, where the game "sped up" for him. That is far different than a QB who played for a dominant program throwing to wide open receivers in college, such as Mark Sanchez at USC. The O-line struggles last year can actually help Hack, particularly if they (and he) find some success this year.
Hack will be as well-prepared for the NFL as anyone can be. I expect him to have a nice NFL career if he can land in a reasonably good situation.
How do you think Brady would have faired with last year's OL? Actually, if Brady played in NE behind a line like that he would have demanded to be traded. I give all the credit in the world to Hack, he did not throw his OL "under the bus". I was really annoyed by fans and "experts" blaming Hack. Would a more mobile QB have faired better, sure because he would have been able to "run for his life".
I really "HOPE" the line is better this year.
Granted I didn't see every PSU game last year but from what I saw Hack needed to move more, not necessarily to run for yardage but to create time. In the NFL the total statues (Brady, Manning) are going the way of the dinosaur. Even if you're not a good runner like Luck and Rodgers you gotta at least be able to feel the pressure and move to create more time to find a receiver like Roethlisberger and even Flacco sometimes. I'm just thinking off the top of my head so maybe I'm forgetting someone but I can't think of a QB drafted high lately that didn't have some mobility. I think Hack does too but he just needs to use it more often.
I agree Hack needs to "get rid of the ball sooner OR tuck and run sooner". The "problem" with that last year was that EVERY play was like a game of "jailbreak". In short, he was trying to take a "normal" amount of time to look down field, but that mostly did not exist. Add the lack of "football quickness" from the WRs to get some separation and you have what we got. I really expect the OL and the WRs to be better BUT they will be faced with EVERY team "blitzing" time and time again until they prove they can handle it.
The problem with peoples expectations for Hack is the success he had as a freshman. He had a very good OL, The best receiver PSU has ever had, a good running good and good TE's. He over achieved personally as a freshman because of what was around him. Then most of those pieces left, leaving him with no running game, a non existent OL, Freshman receivers (although they were very good), and a new coaching staff. Yes I yelled at Hack through the T.V. many times for things, but when you get hit on every play it is hard to make throws, even when your not getting hit because you are expecting it. I think he could take off an run more, when things start to break down, but with time he will see those things and be able to create more opportunities with his legs. After last season I don't think he is anywhere close to being NFL ready, I hope he sticks around for his senior year, but he is going to make a very good if not great NFL QB.
I recall some scouts saying that if Hack would have been eligible this year, he would have warranted strong consideration over Winston (who I really like as a QB prospect) and Mariota. I'd agree with their assessment, and actually think Hack is a much better prospect than either of them.
Comparing Brady/Manning to Hack at this stage in his career is insane. Heck with either was in college neither had to play behind OL as porous as ours was last year. The only time Hack had any time was when we were playing the bottom tier teams on our schedule! As soon as the bigger, faster, quicker teams came along nothing short of digging a 20ft trench was going to stop the opposing Defenses from swarming him. The OL gave him, on average, < 1.5 seconds to read and react after the snap. NO QB will be productive under those situations... none.
IF the OL can provide 2.5+ seconds for Hack to read and react he will be much more productive. Look at the time The Steelers provide Big Ben time to work, 2 years ago it was < 2.5 seconds, last year it was over 3 seconds and look at the difference in productivity.
IF the OL can provide 2.5+ seconds for Hack to read and react he will be much more productive. Look at the time The Steelers provide Big Ben time to work, 2 years ago it was < 2.5 seconds, last year it was over 3 seconds and look at the difference in productivity.
I keep thinking about this, though: If Hack leaves, he will be leaving for the NFL at the age of 20.
Yes, I realize others have done it, but it seems AWFULLY young for a kid that is going to be asked to be a Franchise quarterback, and don't say that's not what it is. If you take a quarterback in the first 5-10 picks of the first round, you are asking him to be your FRANCHISE quarterback...whether you plan on starting him in game one of his rookie year, or whether you allow him to work into the starting job by seasons end....either way that is your FRANCHISE quarterback.
And he'll be twenty years old when he makes his announcement. Seems early, no matter who you are, ESPECIALLY for a kid who will go his entire college career without a productive offensive line to actually give him a chance to show his ability.
Yes, I realize others have done it, but it seems AWFULLY young for a kid that is going to be asked to be a Franchise quarterback, and don't say that's not what it is. If you take a quarterback in the first 5-10 picks of the first round, you are asking him to be your FRANCHISE quarterback...whether you plan on starting him in game one of his rookie year, or whether you allow him to work into the starting job by seasons end....either way that is your FRANCHISE quarterback.
And he'll be twenty years old when he makes his announcement. Seems early, no matter who you are, ESPECIALLY for a kid who will go his entire college career without a productive offensive line to actually give him a chance to show his ability.
was selected by Bleacher Report as their QB on the ALL "ready for NFL" team. What? he is not behind all 3 of the QBs from OSU
I know some fans have gotten on that kid's back last year but I'd take that guy 10 times over. He's a big strong player that can really deliver the ball. I think he's going to have a great season for you guys. He really is a throwback to that 1980's style NFL QB. For my money that never goes out of style.
I would add he has had two different systems in two years. He will be a good NFL QB and I would bet he will look a lot better this year as everyone will be in a more familiar system.
Well, I think we all know this is about the OL. I am hopeful they will be better. I have to believe a year of growth and experience, even if not the most talented, has to count for something. WRs will be better. We could not ask for an easier schedule. The first six games "should" help the OL even more and develop more depth. We only play two decent teams in the first six, Rutgers(new QB) and Indiana, both at home.
I think he has loads of potential. However, I think Franklin put way too much on his shoulders and abandoned his running game way to early last year putting the entire offense on his shoulders.
Not sure if you really understand or care to but the OL is why the running game was abandoned. Despite having two senior 1000 yd backs. It was ALL the OL.
I agree...but you were asking the same OL to protect him...and it couldn't. That's a lot to put on a young QB and why he regressed. Most OL become better run blockers before they are competent pass blockers.
Could be, but when you have talent such as Hack you can't lose games trying the make the running game work. Quite frankly Hack was so good in most of these games there were only 2 that PSU was not in until the very end. Heck, lost to OSU in overtime.
Dude.... you get a very quick LIKE for having the IKEA monkey as your avatar! I work for IKEA....started in 1987.
Regardless of why there was no running game, the entire offense was put on Hack's shoulders. With a solid o-line, I think he'd have been fine with that. With nobody being blocked, it was awful difficult to run an offense.. any offense. Just a little more time for him this year and he goes off and the team has a very good year as a result.
IF you look at all the recent QBs drafted early (top 10), almost all of them were either Heisman winners, in the running for the Heisman (invited to NY) and had pretty solid statistics. Can you name a recent high drafted QB who did not fit that mold?
What kind of season do you see for Hack this year?
Where do you see him in the Heisman?
Where do you see him in terms of All BIG team or BIG POY?
I can see him going in the first round even without the above, but not in say the first few draftees. If he was out right now, I think he might be #4 or #5 QB, which is still pretty good for a sophomore.
What kind of season do you see for Hack this year?
Where do you see him in the Heisman?
Where do you see him in terms of All BIG team or BIG POY?
I can see him going in the first round even without the above, but not in say the first few draftees. If he was out right now, I think he might be #4 or #5 QB, which is still pretty good for a sophomore.
Well, as for me I think he was pretty darn good "last" year. Keep in mind HE carried this team. Pretty impressive. I think the "experts" that second guessed his ability forget what he was working with. And, I do "think" he can have a terrific year with even an OK line. AND if, as I predict, they finish 10-2, well he will get Heisman consideration. The sad news will be he will leave and not play his senior year.
He's going to have some much better receivers, and rb's this year than last. With any resemblance of a decent line he should score a lot of points. Regardless, it's awesome he's ours!
As a Bears fan, I'm hoping Hack lands there. Barring a disaster such as injury, I don't expect him to return for his Senior season. He has nothing to gain. Even if PSU performs poorly and Hack has stats similar to last season I think he'll still be a first round pick. And this will be the silver lining for me when the Bears are lousy and get a good draft pick next year. They will almost assuredly take a QB in round 1, the question is if it will be Hack, Conner Cook or Cardale.
Well, in my opinion Cook and Cradale are not first round material (2-4th rd) Both are "maybe" NFL QBs. Hack has "star" potential. So, he "appears" to be worth a top 1st round pick.
Hack had a good '13 season for a freshman. Not great, but good. Last year was horrible offensively overall. He did not look good in particular. He has a lot of improvement to do based on what I have in two years of him but I have no doubt that he will put in the time and effort to complete that improvement. Hopefully it shows up on the field.
Well, as for me I think he was pretty darn good "last" year. Keep in mind HE carried this team. Pretty impressive. I think the "experts" that second guessed his ability forget what he was working with. And, I do "think" he can have a terrific year with even an OK line.
I haven't seen enough on Cook but agree on Cardale, plus he has only played in a few games so there are lots of unknowns there but he's excelled at what he's been asked to do. That said, lots of "way too early" draft projections have all 3 of them in the first round.
The buzz is certainly out there about Christian. Anthony Gargano on the morning Philly sports talk radio just did a segment on him and talked about if he would be a good fit for the Eagles. If Philly sports is talking about a Penn Stater, then he is out there for sure because PSU is rarely mentioned in the Philly sports world.
There are already mock drafts out there for 2016. Sports Illustrated has Hackenberg going 6th overall to Cleveland.
There are already mock drafts out there for 2016. Sports Illustrated has Hackenberg going 6th overall to Cleveland.
Todd McShay just released his 2016 Mock Draft. He has Hack going first overall to Washington. Not sure how LionJim feels about that.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...-tops-way-too-early-2016-mock-draft-nfl-draft
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...-tops-way-too-early-2016-mock-draft-nfl-draft
If Winston and Mariota were clear numbers 1&2 this year, with the value placed on a potential franchise QB, it's easy to see how Hack is projected as the overall number 1 pick as we sit here right now, regardless of who else is out there.
