Hackenberg: "It didn't have anything to do with the football program, and then all of a sudden..."

[Harrisburg Dave]

Jordan Rodgers and Austyn Carta-Samuels ran the same offense in 2012 and 2013 at Vanderbilt while rushing for a combined 186 yards and posting QB ratings of 139.1 and 143.0.

When your argument is exposed as bullshit, resort to personal attacks. You are to message board posters what Hack was to QBs.

If you choose to ignore the offensive lines for Hack's soph and junior years, the fact the Offensive Coordinator was fired after Hack left and prior to the 2016 season, the fact that Hack was recruited to run a different system than the one Franklin brought to town, the fact Hack never led us to a losing season, and the fact Hack rarely missed a down despite the beatings he took, be my guest.

I never said he was the greatest qb, but calling him awful just makes no sense. You can own that statement. It is wrong, but be my guest.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

So, listening to this now. I get anyone can do a podcast, but I'm struggling listening to Adam's hot take on Andrew Luck. I feel like he'd have a ton of insight into something like what happened at Penn State, but why would anyone listen to him talk about anything else? Didn't he run for office or something? Anyway, listening continues...

Who cares about his politics? Oh, you do. I do not see that his politics should have any impact on his football commentary.

Adam did a nice job in his first podcast. The program was informative and gave some interesting insights into the history of the program during some dark days. Adam also gives his personal insight into Coach Franklin and Doctor Lynch and the way they performed their duties. He stated he did not understand why we have the lawsuit. His talk with Hackenberg did have a few "dudes" more than I would like, but the two definitely let their guard down. They were obviously close friends and remain so to this day.

I look forward to more from Adam.

 

[MJG-90]

Watching him leave was very interesting when compared to what Redd said when he left, and how FLO reacted to it.

Details?

There's a time to just be brutally honest and say that Hack was a very good prospect, but he was probably overated coming out of HS

He left Penn State as the all time passing yardage leader. That despite playing two years behind probably the two worst O-lines in PSU history. One stat most people probably don't know about -- Hack holds the PSU record for fewest rushing yards. His -242 yards rushing edges out Wally Richardson's -237. Wally managed his total on just 81 rushing attempts. Christian took 208 carries to reach his meager total.

He did well, I guess, for 2 seasons, but that was unfinished business IMO.

I remember thinking at the time that I'd rather O'Brien leave after his second year than wait until after his third. My thinking was because of the sanctions, I'd rather have a new coach in who would stay awhile and not disrupt whatever recruiting we could manage. And the timing between that second season and third seemed to favor getting a real permanent coach in right away. At least to me. And I'd say it worked out for us so far.

 

[MJG-90]

Adam did a nice job in his first podcast. The program was informative and gave some interesting insights into the history of the program during some dark days.

That was episode 2. His first was a preview of the Big Ten and Pac 12 and a chat with Malik Zaire.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Who cares about his politics? Oh, you do. I do not see that his politics should have any impact on his football commentary.

Adam did a nice job in his first podcast. The program was informative and gave some interesting insights into the history of the program during some dark days. Adam also gives his personal insight into Coach Franklin and Doctor Lynch and the way they performed their duties. He stated he did not understand why we have the lawsuit. His talk with Hackenberg did have a few "dudes" more than I would like, but the two definitely let their guard down. They were obviously close friends and remain so to this day.

I look forward to more from Adam.

Eh? I don't care about his politics - I mentioned that because then it would make sense for him to have a podcast of some sort (talk about whatever issues he cares about, communicate with constituents, stakeholders, etc.). As it stands, he's former Penn State/UMass football player with a podcast. If his podcast is going to have a PSU or UMass focus, that makes some sense I guess. Just trying to figure out his angle - so far, he's doing a good job. Lots of 'dudes' though.

 

[81b&w]

Mills could fake and bootleg the ball really well, he used to fool the cameramen all the time.

 

[JWB389]

Details?



He left Penn State as the all time passing yardage leader. That despite playing two years behind probably the two worst O-lines in PSU history. One stat most people probably don't know about -- Hack holds the PSU record for fewest rushing yards. His -242 yards rushing edges out Wally Richardson's -237. Wally managed his total on just 81 rushing attempts. Christian took 208 carries to reach his meager total.



I remember thinking at the time that I'd rather O'Brien leave after his second year than wait until after his third. My thinking was because of the sanctions, I'd rather have a new coach in who would stay awhile and not disrupt whatever recruiting we could manage. And the timing between that second season and third seemed to favor getting a real permanent coach in right away. At least to me. And I'd say it worked out for us so far.

Thankfully it appears to have worked out for us, but I don't think many people wanted OB to leave at that point. It could have very easily gone the other way. Too much risk IMO.

 

[MJG-90]

Thankfully it appears to have worked out for us, but I don't think many people wanted OB to leave at that point. It could have very easily gone the other way. Too much risk IMO.

Right. I should clarify. My thoughts at the time were that I'd rather he leave after year two than year three. If he was gonna stay through that class's graduation, even better. But the way he kept kicking the NFL tires, I just wanted to get on with it and the sooner the better.

 

[NittanyOpp]

And for all the O'Brien defenders, the team was certainly surprised and hurt that he took the Texans job. Adam mentions it left them feeling very vulnerable. Nothing like an adult telling the kids on their recruitment that he would see them through their entire careers and then being gone the next year. I don't care what he did to save our program, unacceptable behavior. Kid's never forget that stuff.

OB did not save the program.

 

[Fibes]

You do remember the line his soph and junior year?

Yeah, the same guys that McSorley had in 2016 when he won the conference championship.

 

[Fibes]

If you choose to ignore the offensive lines for Hack's soph and junior years, the fact the Offensive Coordinator was fired after Hack left and prior to the 2016 season, the fact that Hack was recruited to run a different system than the one Franklin brought to town, the fact Hack never led us to a losing season, and the fact Hack rarely missed a down despite the beatings he took, be my guest.

I never said he was the greatest qb, but calling him awful just makes no sense. You can own that statement. It is wrong, but be my guest.

Owned. He was an awful QB. Done.

 

[nittany119]

Yep only a colossal dipshit like Mark Emmert could have come up with that...

Seconded by Delaney, a colossal turd.

 

[nittany119]

True. Talent wise they did but would this have been 2 of the games that Adam and Hack were talking about when they only had 43 players? (which I still have a hard time believing, I mean I knew it was bad but I thought it was like 63).

I recall us having 41 against Mich State. The piece of shit D’Antonio ran up the score. I think this was the game they put the offensive lineman at running back to score, adding insult to injury. That man is a total scumbag.

 

[Fibes]

I recall us having 41 against Mich State. The piece of shit D’Antonio ran up the score. I think this was the game they put the offensive lineman at running back to score, adding insult to injury. That man is a total scumbag.

Hence the reason PSU was throwing deep passes up 30 in the fourth quarter the following year. Karma.

 

[Rhino80]

Eh? I don't care about his politics - I mentioned that because then it would make sense for him to have a podcast of some sort (talk about whatever issues he cares about, communicate with constituents, stakeholders, etc.). As it stands, he's former Penn State/UMass football player with a podcast. If his podcast is going to have a PSU or UMass focus, that makes some sense I guess. Just trying to figure out his angle - so far, he's doing a good job. Lots of 'dudes' though.

I think Adam is very qualified to talk about Andrew Luck. I'm pretty sure he knows exactly what it's like to retire due to injury. He's done it twice. Adversity is one of the themes of the podcast and he went at it from that angle.

 

[Ski]

My opinion on Hack... I believe people DO have a very sentimental leniency when viewing Hack because of how he stuck with the program. People remember that he did stick with us thru our darkest time and have a soft spot for him. But at what point do people just admit he was over-rated coming out of HS? That is not a big slap at Hack, there are many guys who are over-rated coming out of HS. DWill was the #1 overall player in the country, and although he was a very good player, he was not worthy of #1 overall. Wally Richardson was a super highly rated recruit and was overated. Morelli was a 5* recruit coming out of HS...... I still see these non-stop excuses for Hack's play. Blame Franklin's system. Blame youth. Blame the NFLs political system....

There's a time to just be brutally honest and say that Hack was a very good prospect, but he was probably overated coming out of HS

I think Wally gets a bad rap from having to follow Collins and the juggernaut that the offense was in 1994. I'd like to think history will be kinder to him than the fans were during his playing days.

Interesting piece of trivia -- Wally is the only NFL player to finish his career with exactly 1 passing yard.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

My opinion on Hack... I believe people DO have a very sentimental leniency when viewing Hack because of how he stuck with the program. People remember that he did stick with us thru our darkest time and have a soft spot for him. But at what point do people just admit he was over-rated coming out of HS? That is not a big slap at Hack, there are many guys who are over-rated coming out of HS. DWill was the #1 overall player in the country, and although he was a very good player, he was not worthy of #1 overall. Wally Richardson was a super highly rated recruit and was overated. Morelli was a 5* recruit coming out of HS...... I still see these non-stop excuses for Hack's play. Blame Franklin's system. Blame youth. Blame the NFLs political system....

There's a time to just be brutally honest and say that Hack was a very good prospect, but he was probably overated coming out of HS

Agree with all of this, but it's hard to separate his poor play from the conditions under which he played. People continue to use sanctions as a reason for our losses including and up to last year, so it's not unreasonable to assume Hack may have performed slightly better under different/better circumstances. Seeing his post-PSU performance, maybe not, but those are two different things I think. He shows up to Penn State games, supports PSU, and does it with a smile. Need to move on.

 

[Kiber]

Agree with all of this, but it's hard to separate his poor play from the conditions under which he played. People continue to use sanctions as a reason for our losses including and up to last year, so it's not unreasonable to assume Hack may have performed slightly better under different/better circumstances. Seeing his post-PSU performance, maybe not, but those are two different things I think. He shows up to Penn State games, supports PSU, and does it with a smile. Need to move on.

Hack shows up at PSU games???

 

[Mixolydian]

Hack shows up at PSU games???

He’s been to a couple as I recall. He should be able to go to a lot now if he wants to...

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Hack shows up at PSU games???

Zing.

 

[JoeBot409]

AB was dead wrong about AB... he didn’t practice because he is an asshole. Also, like I said O’Brien lies to Hack. Confirmed... where are the O’Brien apologist now?

 

[RGWhirly]

AB was dead wrong about AB... he didn’t practice because he is an asshole. Also, like I said O’Brien lies to Hack. Confirmed... where are the O’Brien apologist now?

I still like OB, thank him for his time here, and am glad he left when he did so we were able to get CJF.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

Couple of interesting things. Both of them sound like they aren't happy with O'Brien, who lied to them repeatedly that he wasn't going to leave PSU. When they were being recruited, O'Brien said he would be at PSU for their entire careers. Then before he signed with the Texans, told both of them over and over he wasn't going anywhere.

Adam also brought up to Hack the situation where he didn't thank Franklin when he announced he was going pro despite thanking a long list of other people. Hack said he thanked Franklin before he made the announcement and then forgot to thank him during it. Water under the bridge and all that, but it became a huge negative story about the program and it would have been easy for Hack to just say "I forgot to thank JF. It was an oversight, of course I'm thankful for him blah blah blah." Hack never did. Radio silence.

Hack also talks about his pro football career. He talks about "the politics" about who plays, and how much luck is involved and timing, etc. As he matures, he really needs to learn about personal responsibility. "I didn't play well" is impossible for him to say or even acknowledge to himself.[/
You will never succeed in life until you own up to and learn from mistakes. I told Avery manager who ever worked for me that if you never make a mistake, you are too timid and not getting the best out of your team.

 

[PSUCYCLING]

IIRC, Mills had a great RS Frosh or soph season (2002?) but wasn't so hot the years following. Those later years all I remember were him scrambling out of the pocket running away from the LOS and heaving balls out of bounds. Time after time. Some crappy years, team wide.

I remember Mills took a shot to his throwing shoulder during the Wisconsin game in 2002 and was never the same since. Larry Johnson really got going in his 2000 yard season AFTER Mills got hurt.

 

[scottpsurules]

After listening to this podcast, in my opinion, there are far too many people that have been way too hard on Hack. Both he and Adam are so proud of being part of this program. If Hack ended up not being a successful NFL player, it is what it is. How many qb's in Penn State history have dealt with the various kinds of adversity? Probably none. The scandal, the drastically reduced scholarships, the coaching change which went against his strengths, horrible pass blocking? If you don't want to appreciate what he did at Penn State, that's a shame.

If I could give your post multiple likes would do so!!

 

[PSUSignore]

He’s been to a couple as I recall. He should be able to go to a lot now if he wants to...

According to Brenneman's podcast Hack was at the Pitt game on Saturday.

 

[dwiz]

According to Brenneman's podcast Hack was at the Pitt game on Saturday.

His wife posts them in state college a lot. The joke was that he didn't "show up" for games. As in sucked.

 

[tsgoodling]

I managed a lot of people over 35 years in business. All of the good and great ones had the ability to say, “I made a mistake and will correct it.” You can never learn from mistakes you refuse to acknowledge. Disappointed in Hack. Maybe that is why he never adapted to pro ball. A very serious character flaw.

I have managed lots of people over the past 30 years also. I fail to see how Hack has some major character flaw that prevented him from excelling at pro quarterback. Perhaps a throwing accuracy flaw!! This young man could have bailed when 99% of the country was bailing on us and throwing stones and burying us... he stood tall and helped lead us through the darkest hours. THAT IS REAL CHARACTER!!! Insulting him on a chat room post.. that is a serious character flaw!!!! Get real.....

 

[tsgoodling]

His wife posts them in state college a lot. The joke was that he didn't "show up" for games. As in sucked.

English translation??

 

[PSU_Chicago]

OB did not save the program.

The current and past players and the Penn State Community saved the program. Seriously .... WE ARE!

 

[Cosmos]

Of course the truth, and obvious to anyone who cared to pay attention. But it begs the question...how bad are the misdeeds that are being covered up and how powerful are the people who committed them that they would sacrifice the football program and all the goodwill it had brought to the university to protect the evil doers?

Well said. I would only add, how gullible people are to go with their first instinct (i.e., Joe had to know) rather than investigate matters on their own. Don't look now but the mainstream media relies on it to this day. In the age of the internet there can be no excuse not to throw off the yoke of confirmation bias and challenge the disinformation. Thank you.

 

[JoeBot409]

What is Hack up to these days? He is not in football and doesn’t have a college degree.

 

[Alphalion75]

Of course the truth, and obvious to anyone who cared to pay attention. But it begs the question...how bad are the misdeeds that are being covered up and how powerful are the people who committed them that they would sacrifice the football program and all the goodwill it had brought to the university to protect the evil doers?

Yep....these clowns picked the perfect fall guy and football program and the media had a field day.