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Officiating mix-up by SEC crew costs Penn State a down, forces premature punt in win over Auburn

A mix-up by the SEC officiating crew assigned to Saturday's Auburn-Penn State game cost the Nittany Lions a down and forced them to punt prematurely in the second quarter.
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Selma native becomes SEC football official - The Selma Times‑Journal

A Selma resident has quickly become one of the SEC’s top football officials. James H. Carter Jr. is coming off one of his biggest assignments: the SEC Championship Game between No. 1 LSU and Georgia. It was Carter’s first time officiating the league’s annual championship matchup. Carter said he...
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Is this the same guy or nah?

Somebody posted that it was in the BWI live chat box.
 
I posted the crew and most of their hometowns in another thread. The Selma native now lives in Birmingham, Alabama. Two of the crew I could confirm as living in Alabama. Two members I could not find any information on and they could potentially have been from Alabama, but I just don't know. I saw somewhere that the replay booth official that confirmed the 4th down that was 3rd down from the B10. If so, probably from Michigan or Ohio.
 
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Here is the crew line-up.

Referee: James Carter - Birmingham, Alabama

Umpire: Russ Pulley - Nashville, Tennessee

Linesman: Ronald Tubbs - Theodore, Alabama

Line judge: Walter Flowers -

Back judge: Dax Hill - Conway, Arkansas

Field judge: Jay Brown -

Side judge: Glen Fucik - ? Texas

Center judge: Ted Pitts - Lexington, South Carolina
 
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Sorry, I don't think you want to stalk game officials by posting their names and hometowns. Making mistakes, bad calls, leads to poor grades and diminished or no future assignments. Every conference rates their officials on judgement and mechanics etc. on every play. If you want to say they made the wrong calls etc. I'm all with you.
Stalking them and inferring that there was a conspiracy involving SEC administration is just sick.
If there was a conspiracy, Brisker could have been called for PI and the PI when PSU was pinned deep at the end could have been ignored. Those could have been big difference makers.
The zebras had a bad night. End of story.
 
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marshall23 said:
Sorry, I don't think you want to stalk game officials by posting their names and hometowns. Making mistakes, bad calls, leads to poor grades and diminished or no future assignments. Every conference rates their officials on judgement and mechanics etc. on every play. If you want to say they made the wrong calls etc. I'm all with you.
Stalking them and inferring that there was a conspiracy involving SEC administration is just sick.
If there was a conspiracy, Brisker could have been called for PI and the PI when PSU was pinned deep at the end could have been ignored. Those could have been big difference makers.
The zebras had a bad night. End of story.
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The Big2 zebras have had a shitload of bad nights in the past 20 years. Seems like most of them are when we are playing.
 
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bkmtnittany1 said:
The Big2 zebras have had a shitload of bad nights in the past 20 years. Seems like most of them are when we are playing.
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No argument there. But on the other hand we watch PSU football games. You must know that Michigan and OSU fans complain about officials as well. It's what fans do. Coaches and players make mistakes and miss assignments many times in the course of a competition. Officials do make mistakes. Some are more impactful than others.
 
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marshall23 said:
No argument there. But on the other hand we watch PSU football games. You must know that Michigan and OSU fans complain about officials as well. It's what fans do. Coaches and players make mistakes and miss assignments many times in the course of a competition. Officials do make mistakes. Some are more impactful than others.
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Don't ever recall OSU getting screwed as bad as PSU in a Big Ten game. I do watch a ton of Big Ten football....Witvoet and Oneill are just full time cheats!
 
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marshall23 said:
Sorry, I don't think you want to stalk game officials by posting their names and hometowns. Making mistakes, bad calls, leads to poor grades and diminished or no future assignments. Every conference rates their officials on judgement and mechanics etc. on every play. If you want to say they made the wrong calls etc. I'm all with you.
Stalking them and inferring that there was a conspiracy involving SEC administration is just sick.
If there was a conspiracy, Brisker could have been called for PI and the PI when PSU was pinned deep at the end could have been ignored. Those could have been big difference makers.
The zebras had a bad night. End of story.
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Didn’t mean to provide information for anyone to stalk the officials. Just gave information that was easily found on the internet. I did not do an in depth search because I didn’t want to give out too much information. I could have posted their jobs, who they worked for, etc. but chose not to because my intent was not to harass. Instead just show primarily what state they were from, because as everyone knows a lot of UM and O$U games were officiated by crews predominately made up of officials from those states.
 
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bkmtnittany1 said:
Don't ever recall OSU getting screwed as bad as PSU in a Big Ten game. I do watch a ton of Big Ten football....Witvoet and Oneill are just full time cheats!
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So are we saying that "screw" PSU is in the handbook of all Big Ten Officials? How many people are in on this conspiracy? Big Ten Commissioner, Big Ten Supervisor of Officials? There are 7 officials on the field for each game so at minimum there are more than 50 officials that might do a PSU conference game.....not counting booth and review personnel. Are they all in on the screw PSU conspiracy?
 
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marshall23 said:
I don't think you want to stalk game officials by posting their names and hometowns.
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Only you, in your deluded world, would consider listing the names of the officials and their hometowns as "stalking'. :rolleyes:

Stalk is defined as "pursue or approach stealthily" which is kind of hard to do when their names are published in the official box score and elsewhere (*), and there are ample articles describing their non-officiating occupations, hometowns etc.... The last time I checked, that's considered public information.

Instead of burying your head in the sand (or elsewhere) you should be interested in finding the identity of the mysterious B1G replay official especially considering that some overtly corrupt ex-referees have extended their employment by moving into the booth.

elsewhere (*) https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.co...l-officials-referee-umpire-judges/8386579002/

P.S. The Umpire has a connection to the infamous Louis Freeh. :cool:
 
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marshall23 said:
So are we saying that "screw" PSU is in the handbook of all Big Ten Officials? How many people are in on this conspiracy? Big Ten Commissioner, Big Ten Supervisor of Officials? There are 7 officials on the field for each game so at minimum there are more than 50 officials that might do a PSU conference game.....not counting booth and review personnel. Are they all in on the screw PSU conspiracy?
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Sure...why not! Remember...we are lucky to be even playing!
 
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BobPSU92 said:
Please take this opportunity to remember that the calls all balance out in the end.

So when is “the end”? How long do we have to wait for the calls to all balance out?
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I just try to laugh it off by imagining the unheralded, blistering shitstorm that would ensue if an undefeated Ohio State was playing Auburn at home in prime time, and somehow had to eat a down because the brain dead officials wouldn't listen to the coaches and steadfastly held to the wrong conclusion. That would be epic. Rivers would run backwards.
 
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Big 0 said:
Didn’t mean to provide information for anyone to stalk the officials. Just gave information that was easily found on the internet. I did not do an in depth search because I didn’t want to give out too much information. I could have posted their jobs, who they worked for, etc. but chose not to because my intent was not to harass. Instead just show primarily what state they were from, because as everyone knows a lot of UM and O$U games were officiated by crews predominately made up of officials from those states.
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Ok. Here's another way to look at it. When the contracts were signed, apparently it was agreed that at this game the SEC would provide officials. My thought would be that perhaps there was a degree of SEC bias, but as they do all SEC games, I doubt they are Auburn "homers."
I was surprised that either side would agree to this. I have no idea why they didn't settle on officials from a neutral conference.....like a bowl game. In any event, the same screw ups could have occurred, just without the charges of corruption.
I'm not an official, but I work very close with officials in NYS and have for 35 years. I've yet to meet one who doesn't want to do a good job.....or one that enjoys making a call that can be proven to be wrong. They actually take pride in their craft like a coach or player. Like I said, the zebras had a very bad night.
 
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bkmtnittany1 said:
Sure...why not! Remember...we are lucky to be even playing!
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LOL....then we must all agree that CJF is the greatest coach to ever walk the earth.....he wins his share of games and never gets a fair game from the officials.
 
marshall23 said:
LOL....then we must all agree that CJF is the greatest coach to ever walk the earth.....he wins his share of games and never gets a fair game from the officials.
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CJF thinks they cheat as well! I recall an interview after PSU got screwed and a reporter asked him a question, he just snickered and made a statement like going out for a beer and off the record saying what he really feels. I was a HS ref for 20 years..I knew guys who had an "agenda." Not all of them are on the up and up...Do you really think PSU is gonna get a fair shot when they play a Big2 school and Oneill has the game???
 
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LOL....then we must all agree that CJF is the greatest coach to ever walk the earth.....he wins his share of games and never gets a fair game from the officials.
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He's coached an excellent year so far. He seems to have the pulse of the team gauged. The fact that we are improving and still have room to get even better is beautiful work.
 
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lazydave841 said:
He's coached an excellent year so far. He seems to have the pulse of the team gauged. The fact that we are improving and still have room to get even better is beautiful work.
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I started coaching in 1971, stayed in athletic administration for 27 years...after my wife passed I went back to work coordinating a 17 school public school athletic league and I chair the Officials Coordinating Federation for the NYSPHSAA. My experience is this:
No coach has ever been perfect
No player grades 100%
No officials has a perfect game
Never has, never will.
Only fans achieve the exalted status of perfect
James Franklin IMO, is a modern day model of JVP. He is a role model, an educator/coach and a loving husband and father. PSU is fortunate to have him.
 
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BW Lion said:
Only you, in your deluded world, would consider listing the names of the officials and their hometowns as "stalking'. :rolleyes:

Stalk is defined as "pursue or approach stealthily" which is kind of hard to do when their names are published in the official box score and elsewhere (*), and there are ample articles describing their non-officiating occupations, hometowns etc.... The last time I checked, that's considered public information.

Instead of burying your head in the sand (or elsewhere) you should be interested in finding the identity of the mysterious B1G replay official especially considering that some overtly corrupt ex-referees have extended their employment by moving into the booth.

elsewhere (*) https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.co...l-officials-referee-umpire-judges/8386579002/

P.S. The Umpire has a connection to the infamous Louis Freeh. :cool:
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Please explain the purpose of naming the officials and their home town. I will repeat again, being a fan, taken to this extent, is misdirected at minimum......get a life.
 
marshall23 said:
So are we saying that "screw" PSU is in the handbook of all Big Ten Officials? How many people are in on this conspiracy? Big Ten Commissioner, Big Ten Supervisor of Officials? There are 7 officials on the field for each game so at minimum there are more than 50 officials that might do a PSU conference game.....not counting booth and review personnel. Are they all in on the screw PSU conspiracy?
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well call me paranoid but I dont think Delaney was much of a help.
And don't even get me started on Whitovet or Honig or how about Mr. You're just lucky to be playing O'Neil?
I also didn't see Barron sniffing Warren's jock like Alvarez was doing or maybe it was the other way around.🤔
 
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CJF thinks they cheat as well! I recall an interview after PSU got screwed and a reporter asked him a question, he just snickered and made a statement like going out for a beer and off the record saying what he really feels. I was a HS ref for 20 years..I knew guys who had an "agenda." Not all of them are on the up and up...Do you really think PSU is gonna get a fair shot when they play a Big2 school and Oneill has the game???
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Being upset with a bum call and thinking that there was a conspiracy to cheat are two different things entirely.
Having been on the short end of a few calls in my day, I can tell you that I was pissed.....but I never thought that a group of officials met before the game and orchestrated a fix. Please stop inferring that....its just silly
 
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well call me paranoid but I dont think Delaney was much of a help.
And don't even get me started on Whitovet or Honig or how about Mr. You're just lucky to be playing O'Neil?
I also didn't see Barron sniffing Warren's jock like Alvarez was doing or maybe it was the other way around.🤔
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Officials are human. Like all humans....some are nice guys and some are dicks. I've known both over the years. What I won't agree to is that there is an active conference wide screw PSU conspiracy.
 
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Please explain the purpose of naming the officials and their home town. I will repeat again, being a fan, taken to this extent, is misdirected at minimum......get a life.
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Individuals, including football officials, are frequently motivated by geographical or regional influences. To deny otherwise is incredibly obtuse.

Obtuse: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect
 
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BW Lion said:
Individuals, including football officials, are frequently motivated by geographical or regional influences. To deny otherwise is incredibly obtuse.
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Okay, so the SEC officials came from the south! PSU agreed to this in advance. Good job!
 
Erial_Lion said:
Impressive that he’s able to hide his devotion so well by putting a picture of another guy in his Twitter profile, and tweeting during a game that he’s officiating!
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...and who would think that there might be more than at least three people named "James Carter," in the South!!!
 
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BW Lion said:
Only you, in your deluded world, would consider listing the names of the officials and their hometowns as "stalking'. :rolleyes:

Stalk is defined as "pursue or approach stealthily" which is kind of hard to do when their names are published in the official box score and elsewhere (*), and there are ample articles describing their non-officiating occupations, hometowns etc.... The last time I checked, that's considered public information.

Instead of burying your head in the sand (or elsewhere) you should be interested in finding the identity of the mysterious B1G replay official especially considering that some overtly corrupt ex-referees have extended their employment by moving into the booth.

elsewhere (*) https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.co...l-officials-referee-umpire-judges/8386579002/

P.S. The Umpire has a connection to the infamous Louis Freeh. :cool:
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ok, doxxing then.
 
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