Here’s the facts about Michigan’s mediocrity despite hype-lipstick on a pig!!

[PA college fan]

Let’s break last 12 yrs to 3 four yr periods

PSU 2008-11. Joepa’s last four— 3-0 PSU against UM. UM 24 losses (3-9 season too), PSU 14 losses.

PSU 2012-15. OBrien x2 and Franklin x2, half the squad, penalties meant to cripple and break us, Mauti and walk ons and loyal players— PSU 21 losses(no losing record!!), UM 21 losses. PSU 1-2 against UM with Hackenberg Whiteout win.

PSU 2016-19. PSU 2-2 against UM. PSU 11 losses, UM 15 losses.
Against Ohio St, PSU 1-3, with losses by 1,1,11 points last 3 yrs
Against Ohio State, UM 0-4, with losses by 11,23 29 points last 3 yrs

Harbaugh hype is fake- UM hype is fake— Spring Break in Rome, France, South Africa blah blah blah.

Now that the sleeping giant has woken up at PSU with Franklin, this decade will be about PSU battling OSU for Big10 supremacy

 

[AWS1022]

Let’s break last 12 yrs to 3 four yr periods

PSU 2008-11. Joepa’s last four— 3-0 PSU against UM. UM 24 losses (3-9 season too), PSU 14 losses.

PSU 2012-15. OBrien x2 and Franklin x2, half the squad, penalties meant to cripple and break us, Mauti and walk ons and loyal players— PSU 21 losses(no losing record!!), UM 21 losses. PSU 1-2 against UM with Hackenberg Whiteout win.

PSU 2016-19. PSU 2-2 against UM. PSU 11 losses, UM 15 losses.
Against Ohio St, PSU 1-3, with losses by 1,1,11 points last 3 yrs
Against Ohio State, UM 0-4, with losses by 11,23 29 points last 3 yrs

Harbaugh hype is fake- UM hype is fake— Spring Break in Rome, France, South Africa blah blah blah.

Now that the sleeping giant has woken up at PSU with Franklin, this decade will be about PSU battling OSU for Big10 supremacy

Even with all that Michigan will start the season ranked way higher than PSU.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Even with all that Michigan will start the season ranked way higher than PSU.

Well....they have some serious momentum. Lol.

 

[PSU123281]

Even with all that Michigan will start the season ranked way higher than PSU.

Sad, but true.

 

[Bertway0]

I'd take that bet. Who knows who Michigan's QB will be next year? Even with Hamler leaving, we still have a lot coming back, including our QB that lead us to 11 wins.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Let’s break last 12 yrs to 3 four yr periods

PSU 2008-11. Joepa’s last four— 3-0 PSU against UM. UM 24 losses (3-9 season too), PSU 14 losses.

PSU 2012-15. OBrien x2 and Franklin x2, half the squad, penalties meant to cripple and break us, Mauti and walk ons and loyal players— PSU 21 losses(no losing record!!), UM 21 losses. PSU 1-2 against UM with Hackenberg Whiteout win.

PSU 2016-19. PSU 2-2 against UM. PSU 11 losses, UM 15 losses.
Against Ohio St, PSU 1-3, with losses by 1,1,11 points last 3 yrs
Against Ohio State, UM 0-4, with losses by 11,23 29 points last 3 yrs

Harbaugh hype is fake- UM hype is fake— Spring Break in Rome, France, South Africa blah blah blah.

Now that the sleeping giant has woken up at PSU with Franklin, this decade will be about PSU battling OSU for Big10 supremacy

You conveniently start AFTER they beat us 9 times in a row

 

[Tom McAndrew]

You conveniently start AFTER they beat us 9 times in a row

due to B1G scheduling, PSU did not play Michigan in 2003 and 2004, and in 2011 and 2012. As such, the starting point that the OP used made sense for the point he was making, IMHO

 

[pandaczar12]

You conveniently start AFTER they beat us 9 times in a row

Thanks to the referines. It's amazing how that trend changed after IR became part of CFB.

 

[bdgan]

Even with all that Michigan will start the season ranked way higher than PSU.

It depends on who leaves and who stays.

 

[AWS1022]

It depends on who leaves and who stays.

Makes no difference....Michigan can always replace anyone who leaves and PSU can’t replace anyone that leaves.

 

[joeparules]

due to B1G scheduling, PSU did not play Michigan in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007. As such, the starting point that the OP used was a pretty natural starting point, IMHO

Pretty sure they played in 2005 ... famous “two second” game!?

 

[Steelpenn]

Thanks to the referines. It's amazing how that trend changed after IR became part of CFB.

Has it really changed completely with regards to PSU and the refs?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Pretty sure they played in 2005 ... famous “two second” game!?

yeah, my mistake. I've gone back and corrected my post, as I had the years they didn't play each other wrong.

 

[PA college fan]

Last 12 years— last 4 of Joepa, 4 Sanction Dark Years and 4 yrs with Franklin getting program in gear — gives us 12 yrs of the most recent period with Instant Replay in place.

We all know about the 9 in a row that we all suffered thru where PSU wins were stolen in 99, 02, 05 and possibly a few other years!! Iirregularities were so flagrant that Instant Replay was adopted. It’s best to leave that era in the past with an asterisk.

Amazing how instant replay has changed Michigan’s fortunes.

 

[Thomas1945]

I'd take that bet. Who knows who Michigan's QB will be next year? Even with Hamler leaving, we still have a lot coming back, including our QB that lead us to 11 wins.

What we have or don’t have isn’t part of the equation. Michigan is an automatic top 5 top 10 preseason cede.

 

[WyomingLion]

Makes no difference....Michigan can always replace anyone who leaves and PSU can’t replace anyone that leaves.

Journey Brown says hello Pat Freiermuth says hello The linebacker room says hello

 

[John4UM]

Let’s break last 12 yrs to 3 four yr periods

PSU 2008-11. Joepa’s last four— 3-0 PSU against UM. UM 24 losses (3-9 season too), PSU 14 losses.

PSU 2012-15. OBrien x2 and Franklin x2, half the squad, penalties meant to cripple and break us, Mauti and walk ons and loyal players— PSU 21 losses(no losing record!!), UM 21 losses. PSU 1-2 against UM with Hackenberg Whiteout win.

PSU 2016-19. PSU 2-2 against UM. PSU 11 losses, UM 15 losses.
Against Ohio St, PSU 1-3, with losses by 1,1,11 points last 3 yrs
Against Ohio State, UM 0-4, with losses by 11,23 29 points last 3 yrs

Harbaugh hype is fake- UM hype is fake— Spring Break in Rome, France, South Africa blah blah blah.

Now that the sleeping giant has woken up at PSU with Franklin, this decade will be about PSU battling OSU for Big10 supremacy

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

 

[PA college fan]

First post huh?? 2 national championships is what ABC showed today for UM, not 11.

 

[Dragons 62]

This is going to get real good...

 

[Steelpenn]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

You are seriously asking Penn State fans what happened to BIG pride?

 

[AWS1022]

Journey Brown says hello Pat Freiermuth says hello The linebacker room says hello

Being ranked 19th at the beginning of the season says hello. Being unranked by Joel Klatt because we lost McSorley says hello. Being downgraded because we had a bunch of second and third teamers go into the portal says hello. When we start next year not ranked in the top 10 because we lost Hamler and Gross Matos says hello. I’m not saying it should be that way, I’m just saying it is and it only seems to be that way for PSU.

 

[AWS1022]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

You really don’t want to go down that road on this board.

 

[81b&w]

Let’s break last 12 yrs to 3 four yr periods

PSU 2008-11. Joepa’s last four— 3-0 PSU against UM. UM 24 losses (3-9 season too), PSU 14 losses.

PSU 2012-15. OBrien x2 and Franklin x2, half the squad, penalties meant to cripple and break us, Mauti and walk ons and loyal players— PSU 21 losses(no losing record!!), UM 21 losses. PSU 1-2 against UM with Hackenberg Whiteout win.

PSU 2016-19. PSU 2-2 against UM. PSU 11 losses, UM 15 losses.
Against Ohio St, PSU 1-3, with losses by 1,1,11 points last 3 yrs
Against Ohio State, UM 0-4, with losses by 11,23 29 points last 3 yrs

Harbaugh hype is fake- UM hype is fake— Spring Break in Rome, France, South Africa blah blah blah.

Now that the sleeping giant has woken up at PSU with Franklin, this decade will be about PSU battling OSU for Big10 supremacy

Nicely done!

 

[Nittany1994]

You’re new around here, aren’t you?

 

[nittany119]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

Let’s start with eras relevant to this discussion. I’m going to suggest we come forward from the time the automobile or airplane was invented, and then let’s look at the accomplishments
After that, we can discuss all the screw jobs we’ve endured in this wonderful conference. Sure you’re ready for this?

 

[Ian]

Let’s break last 12 yrs to 3 four yr periods

PSU 2008-11. Joepa’s last four— 3-0 PSU against UM. UM 24 losses (3-9 season too), PSU 14 losses.

PSU 2012-15. OBrien x2 and Franklin x2, half the squad, penalties meant to cripple and break us, Mauti and walk ons and loyal players— PSU 21 losses(no losing record!!), UM 21 losses. PSU 1-2 against UM with Hackenberg Whiteout win.

PSU 2016-19. PSU 2-2 against UM. PSU 11 losses, UM 15 losses.
Against Ohio St, PSU 1-3, with losses by 1,1,11 points last 3 yrs
Against Ohio State, UM 0-4, with losses by 11,23 29 points last 3 yrs

Harbaugh hype is fake- UM hype is fake— Spring Break in Rome, France, South Africa blah blah blah.

Now that the sleeping giant has woken up at PSU with Franklin, this decade will be about PSU battling OSU for Big10 supremacy

Good stuff and pretty compelling stats that over the last 12 years PSU has averaged one more win than UM per year and played the Bucks tougher and yet UM gets all the props. Bias? Another case of fake news.

 

[wolve1972]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

GO BLUE !!!!

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

Too funny, since 1950 PSU is #4 Nationally in wins (585) - scUM is #7 (562). Only teams in front of PSU are Oklahoma, duhO$U and Bama. Over the last 50 years PSU is #5 (446) - Michigan #6 (list same as above except UNL is #3 - i.e., OU, duhO$U, UNL, Bama, PSU).

 

[Mudge1026]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

Michigan has exactly 1/2 of one NC in 70 years. Ouch!

 

[Bobpsu]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

Just meet a Michigan man. That says it all. Arrogant pricks. Include yourself if necessary.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Michigan has exactly 1/2 of one NC in 70 years. Ouch!

They’ve been largely irrelevant since guys named Hobson, Smithers and Hutch stopped playing football and started playing squash

 

[NittPicker]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

Half a national championship in the past 70 years. Last conference title was 15 years ago. Almost a fixture at 3rd place in the B1G East. Arrogance = ignorance?? That's Michigan to a "T".

But, but, but, we're the winningest program on college football history!!!!! Why doesn't anyone else see how awesome we are?!?!?!

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Just meet a Michigan man. That says it all. Arrogant pricks. Include yourself if necessary.

You can always tell a Michigan Man, you just can’t tell him much!

 

[Waltwam]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

B10 Pride!! You’ve got to be kidding. The Big never wanted PSU in, and they made that clear when we went undefeated in 1994, and everyone involved voted Nebraska as national champs. Pride. Get that crap outta here.

 

[Howie'81]

Let’s break last 12 yrs to 3 four yr periods

PSU 2008-11. Joepa’s last four— 3-0 PSU against UM. UM 24 losses (3-9 season too), PSU 14 losses.

PSU 2012-15. OBrien x2 and Franklin x2, half the squad, penalties meant to cripple and break us, Mauti and walk ons and loyal players— PSU 21 losses(no losing record!!), UM 21 losses. PSU 1-2 against UM with Hackenberg Whiteout win.

PSU 2016-19. PSU 2-2 against UM. PSU 11 losses, UM 15 losses.
Against Ohio St, PSU 1-3, with losses by 1,1,11 points last 3 yrs
Against Ohio State, UM 0-4, with losses by 11,23 29 points last 3 yrs

Harbaugh hype is fake- UM hype is fake— Spring Break in Rome, France, South Africa blah blah blah.

Now that the sleeping giant has woken up at PSU with Franklin, this decade will be about PSU battling OSU for Big10 supremacy

Yup.

 

[pandaczar12]

Has it really changed completely with regards to PSU and the refs?

I was referring to the 9 game win streak.

 

[YogiMan71]

We Are still the all time B10 leader in Bowl wins added on to the margin with OhowIhate and Meatchicken losses this weekend. No brag, just fact !

 

[Howie'81]

I don't quite understand all the anti-Michigan bashing. I'm not going to deny BAMA was the better team today. But this should not discount the fact Michigan is still the winningest program in the history of college football. Let's not lose sight that Michigan claims 11 National Championships. Penn State is no doubt in elite company too. They are #9 in the all-time winningest college football program list. Not bad. Kudos to Penn State. with due respect, your arrogance is the cause of your ignorance. What happened to B1G pride?

Screw you. Have a nice day.

 

[Steelpenn]

I was referring to the 9 game win streak.

My bad.

 

[Bertway0]

What we have or don’t have isn’t part of the equation. Michigan is an automatic top 5 top 10 preseason cede.

That may be true. But I was referring to NEXT season's preseason rankings. I believe we will be ahead of them. Let's check back in August and see who's right.