Hodge Trophy
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It will come from one of the below wrestlers. The records listed were before the weekend.
125:
Nathan Tomasello (Ohio State), 17-0
Thomas Gilman (Iowa), 19-0
133:
Nahshon Garrett (Cornell), 28-0
Zane Richards (Illini), 19-0
149:
Zain, 25-0
Brandon Sorensen (Iowa), 21-0
157:
Nolf, 25-0
Ian Miller (Kent State), 19-0
Thomas Gantt (NC State), 21-0
165:
Ringer (Oklahoma St.), 23-0
Isaac Jordan (Wisky), 19-0
197:
McIntosh, 24-0
285:
Gwiz (NC State), 26-0
Kyle Snyder (Ohio State), 3-0*
If Ringer and Gwiz go undefeated, they will be get a lot of attention, especially since they were also undefeated last year.
If you were deciding today, I think it would be between Nolf, Zain, Ringer, and Gwiz, but we still have conference tourneys and NCAAs
Gilman and Nato will have to deal with each other, and Nico, at B1Gs, and then the 3 of them will have to deal with Dance at NCAAs.
Garrett and Richards seem to be on a collision course for NCAAs.
Zain and Sorensen will likely have to deal with each other at B1Gs, and then at NCAAs.
Nolf will have to deal with IMar at B1Gs, and if he gets past him there he'll have to deal with some combo of Miller, Gantt, and IMar at NCAAs
Jordan will have to deal with his cousin at NCAAs, and if he gets past him he may have to deal with Ringer at NCAAs.
Assuming Gwiz and Snyder get thru their conference tourneys, they may well have to deal with each other at NCAAs.
While there are 14 undefeated wrestlers at this point, I'd be surprised if that number was above 5 by the end of NCAAs.
1. Gwiazdowski if he beats Snyder
2. Dieringer
3. Nolf
4. Zain
The Hodge Trophy is like so many other sports awards -- it doesn't say it is, but in reality it's a lifetime achievement award. Career achievement may only be one of the 7 criteria, but the criteria are not weighted, and voters tend to vote for the seniors. Gwiz and Dieringer are both 2x defending national champs who have not lost as JRs or SRs.
If Gwiz beats Snyder, he will have beaten 2x champ Nelson, world team member Coon, and world champ Snyder in his NCAA Tournament career. Really hard for the voters to ignore that. Dieringer would be next up, and could get it if Gwiz wins the title but someone else knocks off Snyder first. He might get it anyway. And I could see the voters splitting it between them.
If they both lose, then Nolf is next. If he's the undefeated champ, he will have beaten defending champ Martinez 3x, likely his only 3 career losses, and at least once by fall. And he's #1 on the NCAA Most Dominant list.
Then Zain, who's #2 on the Most Dominant list.
2. Dieringer
3. Nolf
4. Zain
The Hodge Trophy is like so many other sports awards -- it doesn't say it is, but in reality it's a lifetime achievement award. Career achievement may only be one of the 7 criteria, but the criteria are not weighted, and voters tend to vote for the seniors. Gwiz and Dieringer are both 2x defending national champs who have not lost as JRs or SRs.
If Gwiz beats Snyder, he will have beaten 2x champ Nelson, world team member Coon, and world champ Snyder in his NCAA Tournament career. Really hard for the voters to ignore that. Dieringer would be next up, and could get it if Gwiz wins the title but someone else knocks off Snyder first. He might get it anyway. And I could see the voters splitting it between them.
If they both lose, then Nolf is next. If he's the undefeated champ, he will have beaten defending champ Martinez 3x, likely his only 3 career losses, and at least once by fall. And he's #1 on the NCAA Most Dominant list.
Then Zain, who's #2 on the Most Dominant list.
I believe Nolf and Zain are incredible wrestlers and will eventually win the Hodge. However, Deiringer is an animal too. Had the privilege of talking with him after the match last night, and not only is he an incredible wrestler but a great individual. Class act just like our guys. I know that doesn't play into the Hodge, but just thought it was worth mentioning. A 3 time National Champ will probably win over our guys whether we like it or not. Just my humble opinion.
Give me Gwiz and the Ringer, you can take the field... Hope I'm wrong, but I think it belongs to one of those two.
There's now way a sophomore or a freshman get the Hodge this year. It's a toss up between Ringer and Gwiz if they run the table.
A freshman has never won the Hodge Trophy, but several sophomores have.
I agree, the favorites this year have to be Gwiz and Ringer. Even though it's an award that is won by vote, it would be fine if somehow they shared the award if both end up undefeated. Only 24 3-Time Champs all-time in 88 years of NCAA Wrestling...so it's not all that frequent.
I agree, if Ringer and Gwiz both stay undefeated, I wish/hope they can share it. Both equally impressive [careers].
After last night's match i'd have to say Ringer is the prohibitive favorite at 165. Geno stayed close against the Jordan cousins, but was never in last night's match.
Question - if Gwiz, Ringer, Zain, and Nolf all end up undefeated, would consideration be given to the one who has the best run at Nationals, IE most bonus victories?
Have to agree with this analysis in full. GWIZ in position and RINGER with solid chance. I'm expecting a PSU wrestler to secure the award each of the next two seasons.
Doubt it. The NCAA did initiate the Most Dominant Wrestler Award at the 2012 NCAA Championships. Doesn't have the name recognition that the Hodge Trophy has, but it does recognize season dominance (bonus point wins, etc.).
Then there's the Gorrarian Award, for most falls in the least amount of time at The Championships.
An update on who is undefeated heading into the NCAAs:
125:
Nathan Tomasello (Ohio State), 22-0
133:
Nahshon Garrett (Cornell), 28-0
149:
Zain, 29-0
157:
Thomas Gantt (NC State), 24-0
165:
Ringer (Oklahoma St.), 28-0
Isaac Jordan (Wisky), 25-0
197:
McIntosh, 28-0
285:
Gwiz (NC State), 29-0
Kyle Snyder (Ohio State), 6-0
The Hodge Trophy will go to one of the aforementioned. It will be interesting to see how many of the above will still be undefeated at the end of the NCAAs.
125:
Nathan Tomasello (Ohio State), 22-0
133:
Nahshon Garrett (Cornell), 28-0
149:
Zain, 29-0
157:
Thomas Gantt (NC State), 24-0
165:
Ringer (Oklahoma St.), 28-0
Isaac Jordan (Wisky), 25-0
197:
McIntosh, 28-0
285:
Gwiz (NC State), 29-0
Kyle Snyder (Ohio State), 6-0
The Hodge Trophy will go to one of the aforementioned. It will be interesting to see how many of the above will still be undefeated at the end of the NCAAs.
I'm still on the Gwiz or Ringer train, and if it's Gwiz over Snyder in the finals, I give the edge to Gwiz.
Goldbanger my friend I again agree with you. If Gwiz beats Snyder it will be his if not I don't think Jordan can beat Ringer so it will have to be his. They can't award it to Snyder can they? With only those few matches and no way near enough falls etc.
Don't forget… their past is a part of the criteria. That's why Freshman can't win it other than by attrition. This basically means it's Gwiz or Ringer's to lose.
Hello my friend, I agree. Not to mention that Gwiz is a two time national champ and Snyder is not.
It is, but it's 1 of 7 criteria. Hard to know how much weight the voters give to the different criteria, which are:
1. record
2. number of pins
3. dominance
4. past credentials
5. quality of competition
6. sportsmanship/citizenship
7. heart
I think you meant Gadson at nationals or McIntosh at B10s, but otherwise your point is correct.
Pretty sure Gwiz competes at around 250 so he probably has less than 20 pounds on Snyder. Coon, however, probably had 40 pounds on Snyder an look how that turned out.
Smack beat Snyder in the B1G finals last year. At NCAAs last year he beat Cox in the consys.
If Gwiz and Ringer are undefeated after the NCAA Championships, both are 3-time champs, and will surely be 1 and 2. Because it's an award won by vote, I can see some "gaming" possible. For example, the year DT won his second Hodge (2014), he was the ONLY undefeated wrestler left after the NCAA Tournament, and he certainly was at the top or near the top of all 7 criteria, yet 1 voted had him 4th on their ballot, and 6 had him 2nd.
What I'm saying is, both guys mentioned are deserving, and IF they remain undefeated, it won't be just the 1st and 2nd Place votes, but the number of 3rd and 4th Place votes they receive. WIN Magazine could step up and have Co-Winners (which I would love), I guess...we'll just have to wait and see.
What I'm saying is, both guys mentioned are deserving, and IF they remain undefeated, it won't be just the 1st and 2nd Place votes, but the number of 3rd and 4th Place votes they receive. WIN Magazine could step up and have Co-Winners (which I would love), I guess...we'll just have to wait and see.
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I see a lot of people speculate as to Gwiz's weight, but I think the answer is right in front of us. Gwiz wrestles 125kg in freestyle which translates to 275.578 pounds. I think it's safe to assume he's very close to that weight when he wrestles Folkstyle.
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Born 1992 in Duanesburg NY. A 6'0 265 pound individual living the dream. 2014 and 2015 NCAA Heavyweight champion
After 4 sessions at NCAAs, here's an update on the undefeated wrestlers:
125:
Nathan Tomasello (Ohio State), 22-0
133:
Nahshon Garrett (Cornell), 32-0
149:
Zain, 33-0
157:
Thomas Gantt (NC State), 24-0
165:
Ringer (Oklahoma St.), 32-0
Isaac Jordan (Wisky), 29-0
197:
McIntosh, 32-0
285:
Gwiz (NC State), 33-0
Kyle Snyder (Ohio State), 10-0
Two of the above will have a defeat at the end of NCAAs, as Ringer and Jordan will meet in the finals, and Gwiz and the Snyder will meet in the finals.
The Hodge Trophy will go to one of the aforementioned, less the strike-throughs and the loser of the 165 and 285 final. I also don't see how Snyder would win it even if he defeats Gwiz -- just not enough matches, IMHO.
125:
133:
Nahshon Garrett (Cornell), 32-0
149:
Zain, 33-0
157:
165:
Ringer (Oklahoma St.), 32-0
Isaac Jordan (Wisky), 29-0
197:
McIntosh, 32-0
285:
Gwiz (NC State), 33-0
Kyle Snyder (Ohio State), 10-0
Two of the above will have a defeat at the end of NCAAs, as Ringer and Jordan will meet in the finals, and Gwiz and the Snyder will meet in the finals.
The Hodge Trophy will go to one of the aforementioned, less the strike-throughs and the loser of the 165 and 285 final. I also don't see how Snyder would win it even if he defeats Gwiz -- just not enough matches, IMHO.
If Gwiz wins he will get because of beating Snyder and his 3 championships. If Gwiz loses, Ringer will get because of his 3 championships. If Zain wins he should win it because he has been the most dominant by far, but the Hodge has a history of giving it out to wrestlers who just finished a great career and not necessary the most dominant wrestler.
Dominance and past history are each just one of the seven criteria.
1. Record
2. Number of pins
3. Dominance on the mat
4. Past credentials
5. Quality of competition
6. Sportsmanship/citizenship
7. Heart
"History" above didn't mean #4 past credentials. It meant the voters almost always give it to the most deserving senior.
While those are the criteria, there are no rules stating how much to weigh each of them. Up to each individual voter.
All the proof needed: try to quantify "heart."
I would have a tough time picking between Zain and Ringer. Gwiz could be right there too if he beats Snyder. I think it will go to Gwiz if he wins, Ringer if Gwiz loses, and Zain if they both lose and he wins. It is treated as a lifetime achievement award more than anything else. Zain will get 1 or perhaps 2 of them in the future I believe.
So now that NCAAs are over, we finally can know the contenders. Those still defeated after NCAAs are:
133:
Nahshon Garrett (Cornell), 32-0
149:
Zain, 33-0
165:
Ringer (Oklahoma St.), 32-0
285:
Kyle Snyder (Ohio State), 11-0
At Nationals, Tomasello (OSU - 125), Gantt (NC State - 157), Isaac Jordan (Wisky - 165), McIntosh (PSU - 197), and Gwiz (NC State - 285) all dropped from the ranks of the undefeated.
While Snyder's defeat of Gwiz in the NCAA finals was impressive, I still contend that he doesn't have enough matches to be in serious consideration for the Hodge.
I think you could make a strong case for each of the other undefeated guys -- Garrett, Retherford, and Dieringer. This may be a pretty close vote.
WIN Magazine should have something in the coming days on the finalists, and the fan vote for the finalists. I'll link that when it is posted.
133:
Nahshon Garrett (Cornell), 32-0
149:
Zain, 33-0
165:
Ringer (Oklahoma St.), 32-0
285:
Kyle Snyder (Ohio State), 11-0
At Nationals, Tomasello (OSU - 125), Gantt (NC State - 157), Isaac Jordan (Wisky - 165), McIntosh (PSU - 197), and Gwiz (NC State - 285) all dropped from the ranks of the undefeated.
While Snyder's defeat of Gwiz in the NCAA finals was impressive, I still contend that he doesn't have enough matches to be in serious consideration for the Hodge.
I think you could make a strong case for each of the other undefeated guys -- Garrett, Retherford, and Dieringer. This may be a pretty close vote.
WIN Magazine should have something in the coming days on the finalists, and the fan vote for the finalists. I'll link that when it is posted.
