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78SweetRevenge

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American: UCF
ACC: Clemson & Miami
Big XII: Oklahoma & TCU
Big Ten: Ohio State & Wisconsin
CUSA: Florida Atlantic
MAC: Toledo
MWC: Fresno State
Pac XII: Stanford & USC
SEC: Auburn & Georgia
Sun Belt: Troy

At large
Alabama (SEC)
Penn State (Big Ten)
Washington (PAC XII)
Notre Dame (Ind)
Michigan State (Big Ten)
LSU (SEC)
Washington State (Pac XII)
Oklahoma State (Big XII)
Memphis (American)

Clemson Region
Troy @ Penn State (Ohio State)
LSU @ Michigan State (Clemson)

Auburn Region
FAU @ USC (Miami)
Washington State @ Notre Dame (Auburn)

Oklahoma Region
Fresno State @ TCU (Georgia)
Oklahoma State @ UCF (Oklahoma)

Wisconsin Region
Toledo @ Stanford (Alabama)
Memphis @ Washington (Wisconsin)

People really would rather go to a bowl game than have this?
 
Can get on board with an 8 team playoff but not more than that. I feel the drop off in competition in an 8 team playoff and a 16 is significant.

I don’t really know if people want to watch many of the first round games in a 16-24 team playoff. An 8 seed has a chance against a 1 seed, but seeds 10+ have little to no chance.
 
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Rollin Stone said:
Can get on board with an 8 team playoff but not more than that. I feel the drop off in competition in an 8 team playoff and a 16 is significant.

I don’t really know if people want to watch many of the first round games in a 16-24 team playoff. An 8 seed has a chance against a 1 seed, but seeds 10+ have little to no chance.
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Last I checked Iowa beat Ohio State, Syracuse beat Clemson, Pitt beat Miami, LSU beat Auburn, Iowa State beat Oklahoma but somehow they can't lose to a top 25 team...okay.

I think people are so stuck in the past with college football that it's killing our chances of getting a legit playoff like every other college sport. The point isn't that Troy would win (though they have a win over LSU) but they should be given the opportunity
 
78SweetRevenge said:
People really would rather go to a bowl game than have this?
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It has nothing to do with people wanting to go to bowl games. It has to do with corporations wanting to maintain their income from the bowls, the big time programs wanting to keep the smaller programs out of picture, and the media wanting chaos and argument over sanity and closure.
 
The logistics simply make it impossible. Students and fans that want to follow their team postseason have just 1 week to make plans, and perhaps for several weeks sequentially.

You are also proposing that the power 5 simply follow this & abandon naming conference champions. That is not possible.

You are tacking on up to 6 games to the end of a season. This is just largely a contest to see which teams have more depth to withstand the injuries that will inevitably come in cold weather and an extra 6 games. And seniors will sit out if they think they'll be drafted in 1st 3 rounds.

Getting To 8 is easy. Abandon non power 5 teams. 5 conf champs in, with 3 at large. There could hardly be any arguments.
 
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Ranger Dan said:
It has nothing to do with people wanting to go to bowl games. It has to do with corporations wanting to maintain their income from the bowls, the big time programs wanting to keep the smaller programs out of picture, and the media wanting chaos and argument over sanity and closure.
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That's fine but we're discussing what fans should want. The fact that people are trying to claim that losing in the playoff would someone hurt recruiting compared to playing in a meaningless bowl game is illogical. Say because of corp greed and I'll agree with you.
 
78SweetRevenge said:
Last I checked Iowa beat Ohio State, Syracuse beat Clemson, Pitt beat Miami, LSU beat Auburn, Iowa State beat Oklahoma but somehow they can't lose to a top 25 team...okay.

I think people are so stuck in the past with college football that it's killing our chances of getting a legit playoff like every other college sport. The point isn't that Troy would win (though they have a win over LSU) but they should be given the opportunity
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Troy simply couldn't possibly win 6 in a row against power 5 teams, away games. They also couldn't afford to travel 6 more time's all over the country. Just impossible.
 
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Pinkhippo PeanutButter said:
The logistics simply make it impossible. Students and fans that want to follow their team postseason have just 1 week to make plans, and perhaps for several weeks sequentially.

You are also proposing that the power 5 simply follow this & abandon naming conference champions. That is not possible.

You are tacking on up to 6 games to the end of a season. This is just largely a contest to see which teams have more depth to withstand the injuries that will inevitably come in cold weather and an extra 6 games. And seniors will sit out if they think they'll be drafted in 1st 3 rounds.

Getting To 8 is easy. Abandon non power 5 teams. 5 conf champs in, with 3 at large. There could hardly be any arguments.
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How is it impossible? How does it work at the FCS level? These game wouldn't be neutral site games. Now it's 4-5 games and they'd still play the same number as now--maybe 1 more.

LOL at seniors sitting out playoff games

Abandon Group of 5--so, what, create a new level? If so, I'm on board until then they have to be included.
 
Pinkhippo PeanutButter said:
Troy simply couldn't possibly win 6 in a row against power 5 teams, away games. They also couldn't afford to travel 6 more time's all over the country. Just impossible.
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Where are you getting six games? Can you not do math? Who cares if they can't win six? They'd be given the chance. FCS can do it--why can't FBS? Regions can even be based on geography if needed
 
78SweetRevenge said:
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American: UCF
ACC: Clemson & Miami
Big XII: Oklahoma & TCU
Big Ten: Ohio State & Wisconsin
CUSA: Florida Atlantic
MAC: Toledo
MWC: Fresno State
Pac XII: Stanford & USC
SEC: Auburn & Georgia
Sun Belt: Troy

At large
Alabama (SEC)
Penn State (Big Ten)
Washington (PAC XII)
Notre Dame (Ind)
Michigan State (Big Ten)
LSU (SEC)
Washington State (Pac XII)
Oklahoma State (Big XII)
Memphis (American)

Clemson Region
Troy @ Penn State (Ohio State)
LSU @ Michigan State (Clemson)

Auburn Region
FAU @ USC (Miami)
Washington State @ Notre Dame (Auburn)

Oklahoma Region
Fresno State @ TCU (Georgia)
Oklahoma State @ UCF (Oklahoma)

Wisconsin Region
Toledo @ Stanford (Alabama)
Memphis @ Washington (Wisconsin)

People really would rather go to a bowl game than have this?
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I'm willing to wager you shave everyday.

 
psuro said:
Not all FBS conferences are the same. The Sun Belt does not equal the SEC. C- USA does not equal the Big Ten. So not all conference champions are equal.
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Then they need their own level. In every other NCAA sport conferences winners are given a shot. Why should this be different? It's for that Cinderella story once every few years and to give them something to play for
 
78SweetRevenge said:
Where are you getting six games? Can you not do math? Who cares if they can't win six? They'd be given the chance. FCS can do it--why can't FBS? Regions can even be based on geography if needed
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5 games in your silly 24 team tournament, plus conf. Championship game.

And if you can't figure out why FCS is different you really are dum.
 
Pinkhippo PeanutButter said:
5 games in your silly 24 team tournament, plus conf. Championship game.

And if you can't figure out why FCS is different you really are dum.
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Nope. No conference title game. Very simple nor would that be adding another game if it was included

There's no difference aside from FBS has more money to do it.
 
78SweetRevenge said:
Then they need their own level. In every other NCAA sport conferences winners are given a shot. Why should this be different? It's for that Cinderella story once every few years and to give them something to play for
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A group-of-5 team would bankrupt their athletic department if they went on a Cinderella run. Even THEY don't want your plan.
 
I’d say go to a 16 team playoff- first round at higher ranked team stadium. 24 is too much IMO and I would not give auto bids to the MAC, American, CUSA, Sun belt, etc. Just the 16 best teams (5 P5 conference champions and 11 wild card).
 
Pinkhippo PeanutButter said:
A group-of-5 team would bankrupt their athletic department if they went on a Cinderella run. Even THEY don't want your plan.
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Show me proof of that.

I'm not saying that the group of 5 schools want a 24 team playoff because if they did, I think they would have already sought a separation from the P5 conferences since they are practically eliminated from the current playoff model before the season starts. However, I don't see any of them turning down bowl games. If extra games are a financial strain, why would they favor a meaningless bowl vs an actual playoff?

Additionally, you don't think attendance and ratings would be better for playoff games than bowls? Can you imagine Alabama having to go play Wisconsin @ Wisconsin in December in a semifinal game? That's compelling.
 
djr4rebs said:
Show me proof of that.

I'm not saying that the group of 5 schools want a 24 team playoff because if they did, I think they would have already sought a separation from the P5 conferences since they are practically eliminated from the current playoff model before the season starts. However, I don't see any of them turning down bowl games. If extra games are a financial strain, why would they favor a meaningless bowl vs an actual playoff?

Additionally, you don't think attendance and ratings would be better for playoff games than bowls? Can you imagine Alabama having to go play Wisconsin @ Wisconsin in December in a semifinal game? That's compelling.
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Even Alabama loses money in bowls & playoffs. Smaller teams fare worse. There's a lot of proof ... here's just one article

https://www.google.com/amp/miami.cb...games-are-not-always-winners-for-schools/amp/
 
Have an 8 team playoff with seeds 7 and 8 determined by a four team wild card play-in. So:

Teams ranked 1-6 are automatically seed 1-6

Seed 7 plays 10
Seed 8 plays 9
Reseed the winners of those games into the original playoff bracket and then playoff the 1-8 seeds.

We use this format in my golf league every year and it works well, albeit I understand my golf league is not NCCA D-I football.

At a bare minimum the top 10 should fight it out.
 
Bowl games. Not the same thing as a playoff, which would see higher seeded team hosting home games until the finals. No large ticket allotment to sell to a location that you are likely going to have to fly to. Give the road team the same allotment they get for any other game during the year.
 
If you want a playoff that includes all conference champions than please keep us all updated on the MWC Sunbelt and CUSA championships while the rest of us watch Big Ten and/or ACC championships.

And please fill us in on the MAC and AAC Championship games.

And tell us how these teams are on par with the P5 teams.
 
Wont go to 24 or even 16, that would mean losing either a week of the regular season, championship games, bowl or a bye week during the season.
 
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