How can this be? I thought that a player would count against the

[furfoot]

scholarship count of 85 even if the player didn't have an athletic scholarship. The quote is from the pitt board about a walk-on.....


Cunha, an Ottawa Township High School senior, has committed to play
football at the University of Pittsburgh as a walk-on beginning next
fall. He'll attend Pitt on a full-tuition academic scholarship.

Am I misreading this and he'll count against the 85?

 

[dwiz]

LOL, if this was permitted, Alabama would have 85 schollies and

25 academic all americans with full academic schollies each year.

 

[Art]

Entirely possible that he wouldn't count.

Not recruited, 4.0+ student, number one in his class.

 

[PSU_Nut]

He will not count as long as he was not recruited and the scholarship was in no way based on athletic ability.

 

[dwiz]

If he's going to pitt, he obviously doesn't have athletic ability

He was recruited by nobody? Sounds par for the course over there.

 

[GregInPitt]

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This post was edited on 3/19 10:14 PM by GregInPitt

 

[BigTimeBig]

Re: I thought only an idiot pitt fan could get confused on something as basic

The issue is that Pitt is giving him an ACADEMIC scholarship. There are specific bylaws and guidelines that must be followed for an academic scholarship to not also count against the 85 football limit, otherwise schools would give out 85 football scholarships and 20 "academic" scholarships to football players,
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[GregInPitt]

OK, could Urschel have gotten a full academic scholarship and not

counted against the 85?

It's a safe bet that academic scholarships to kids that end up playing football would be highly critiqued such that they are completely justified based on academic record. Or need grants or other forms of grants for that matter.

This post was edited on 3/19 9:36 PM by GregInPitt

 

[dwiz]

You came in like a wrecking ball and yet you're just as confused

on this as the rest of us...

 

[Art]

Probably not. Urschel was

recruited, took an official visit to PSU, and had offers from BC and Buffalo. Also unlikely that he would have received a decision on an academic scholarship in early February (circa LOI Day).

 

[fairgambit]

Originally posted by PSU_Nut:
He will not count as long as he was not recruited and the scholarship was in no way based on athletic ability.

That is my understanding. If a kid is recruited (phone calls, visits, etc) and then plays in a game, he counts. If he visits campus on his own and talks to the coaches when he is there, that's OK.

 

[sluggo72]

Arent there strings attached with the academic aid?? Like you would count


the first yr, but if your grades are okay, then yes it's truely an academic scholarship?? I found this rule, and if you care to comment we could all use the education. I take the word recruited to mean academically recruited to the school. Certainly if you are handing out academic scholarship someone from the school has to do something to explain the how's and why's and I take that as a recruitment.

15.5.1.2.2 Exception-Receipt of Institutional Academic Aid Only. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited by the awarding institution and whose only source of institutional financial aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient's academic record at the certifying institution, awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, may compete without counting in the institution's financial aid team limits, provided he or she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying institution and has achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.300 (on a 4.000 scale) at the certifying institution. (Adopted: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06)[/I]

 

[lionlurker]

Point is, it must be a tough thing to cheat with,

otherwise the SEC schools would have been doing it all along.

 

[psengr82]

Re: Point is, it must be a tough thing to cheat with,

How do we know they aren't already doing this?

 

[UncleLar]

Your interpretation of "recruited" is wrong

It has nothing to do with academics. They are talking about being "recruited" as an athlete which has a very specific definition.

There are four ways for a school to officially "recruit" an athlete.

1. Provide the kid with an official visit
2. Arrange an off campus meeting with the kid or his parents
3. Call the kid or his parents more than once
4. Offer him a letter of intent.

The exception that you listed is in place to allow kids who have walked on to the team to recieve some academic aid without having to become a counter. It's not a way that you can move a kid off of an athletic scholarship onto an academic one.

 

[Art]

It's nowhere near simple.

Is it possible for a top-flight athlete to be on academic scholarship and not count against NCAA numerical limitations? Sure, but it's not something that can be done by snapping one's fingers. The amount of merit-base financial aid is not all that great and an award that's equivalent to a full ride is rare (covering full tuition isn't that isn't that uncommon in the merit aid universe, but a grant including room, board, and other sundries is). Further, it's not as if admissions officers coming across students with great academic credentials can wave a magic wand a create merit awards for them. Those grants come from established, funded programs, a many of them have requirements that go beyond academics e.g. being from a certain geographic area, an alumnus of a particular high school, a first-in-the-family college attendee, enrollment in a particular division of the college, gender, ethnic origin, etc. In many cases a university officer will refer a potential recipient to the committee that decides on the award. In as many, if not more, the onus is on the student to be aware of the award's existence and apply for it.

Bottom line is that if an athlete is receiving only merit aid it had better be from an established program within the university that grants it to a broader base (beyond athletes) of students and the athlete better have the credentials to win it, because it's going to send up a red flag.

 

[sluggo72]

so what is the rule if someone is not recruited for athletics? Do they

have to wait a year? Will they still count vs the 85 for that year?? A kid comes to Marshall on a Chuck Yeager scholarship, decides to walk on, does he count vs the 85??

 

[UncleLar]

He can walk on if it can be demonstrated that the aid was awarded

without any regard to his athletic ability.

 

[sluggo72]

and this means he is a non counter toward the 85, correct?

++

 

[UncleLar]

Correct **

nfm