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How do these bowl games make money?

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Today ABC has Alcorn State vs. NC A&T followed SMU vs. FL Atlantic. ESPN has FL Int'l vs. AK State.

Will the stadiums be filled? What % of capacity is needed for the arena to break even? Is there really much of a TV audience for these games?
 
Today ABC has Alcorn State vs. NC A&T followed SMU vs. FL Atlantic. ESPN has FL Int'l vs. AK State.

Will the stadiums be filled? What % of capacity is needed for the arena to break even? Is there really much of a TV audience for these games?

Somehow, Buffalo played Charlotte in the Bahamas yesterday. The stadium was empty.
 
I tuned into something called the Bahamas Bowl yesterday afternoon and there were more players & refs on the field than people in the stands. The game was awful, the teams bad and all-in-all, bowls like that hurt CFB, IMO.
 
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The low end bowls pay out somewhere around $200,000 ish per team

A three hour Hallmark Channel Christmas movie probably brings in enough to cover those expenses..... so a game on ESPN would certainly do the same - I would think

Now, if one is talking about the teams, and the athletic departments, involved? Yeah, they probably lose
money. But that’s the cost involved for the ADs and the Coaches to be able to waive their weiners bragging about how they got themselves a Bowl Team.

You forgot the most important thing: the ability of Presidents to dispense favors and hold court.
 
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Those bowls have a sponsor. I would assume they help to underwrite the expenses. It isn't looked upon as a money making venture, but rather as advertising expense.

Buffalo/Charlotte was the Makers Wanted bowl. Makers Wanted has to do with an industrial park in Elk Grove, IL. Its the largest industrial park in the country.

Utah State/Kent State was the Tropical Smoothie Cafe bowl. They have a bunch of cafes throughout the country. Most likely a franchise operation.
 
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Today ABC has Alcorn State vs. NC A&T followed SMU vs. FL Atlantic. ESPN has FL Int'l vs. AK State.

Will the stadiums be filled? What % of capacity is needed for the arena to break even? Is there really much of a TV audience for these games?

The insanity of the bowl season gets worse each year. When will the NCAA step in and organize the teams where there is a 16 team play-off that requires no voting?
 
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Most bowls don't make money. But if a sponsor and ESPN want to give them money to try, well that's why you have more and more podunk bowls each year
 
It’s, quite simply, television programming. ESPN owns and operates 14 bowl games (primarily, the shittiest of the shitty ones). ESPN broadcasts 35 bowl games. If they weren’t broadcasting bowl games; you’d be watching poker, axe throwing, corn hole and hackey sack tournaments on ESPN this time of year.

Here is a link if interested... https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-...schedule-for-2019-20-college-football-season/
 
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Those bowls have a sponsor. I would assume they help to underwrite the expenses. It isn't looked upon as a money making venture, but rather as advertising expense.

Buffalo/Charlotte was the Makers Wanted bowl. Makers Wanted has to do with an industrial park in Elk Grove, IL. Its the largest industrial park in the country.

Utah State/Kent State was the Tropical Smoothie Cafe bowl. They have a bunch of cafes throughout the country. Most likely a franchise operation.

I wasn’t aware that an industrial park in Elk Grove, IL was the sponsor of that game. I’m betting they won’t do it next year.
 
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I wasn’t aware that an industrial park in Elk Grove, IL was the sponsor of that game. I’m betting they won’t do it next year.
Who wouldn’t want anyone want to open an industrial type of business in Elk Grove, IL? Taxes are low (LOL) and real estate is cheap. ;) I think crime is also very low! ;)
 
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Folks must have missed the post yesterday with the yahoo link on revenues. Scroll down. But it contains this quote:

"The Football Bowl Association, which advocates on behalf of the bowl system, said a "conservative estimate" holds that bowl games will have paid out more than $1 billion to conferences and their institutions from 2018 to 2020.
Officials in charge of several postseason bowl games declined to comment on the financial details for payouts and how the amount is determined. ESPN Events, which owns and operates 13 bowl games, also declined to comment."

If you don't think that lots of people are making tons of money on these bowl games, you are mistaken. Like MLB, NFL, etc. seats in the stands are such a small part of the actual revenue. And this is why there is such a roadblock to an actual playoff, not the "concern" for the student athletes. Every one of these bowls has a comittee that makes lots of money.
 
Today ABC has Alcorn State vs. NC A&T followed SMU vs. FL Atlantic. ESPN has FL Int'l vs. AK State.

Will the stadiums be filled? What % of capacity is needed for the arena to break even? Is there really much of a TV audience for these games?
It’s this crazy new thing called ‘television’
 
Yet here I sit watching the celebration bowl, stadium looks about 40% filled, but in one commercial break I see spots for the following - Coke, StateFarm, Jersey Mike’s, Bass Pro Shops, Progressive, Target, another Jersey Mike’s & Jeopardy. Then when coming back to the game the promo says sponsored by Capital One & Taco Bell.

I’d say that’s a pretty clear indication on “how” the bowls make money.
 
Buffalo is a state school. Did NY taxpayers fund that trip?

This topic came up with a meeting I had on Thursday with the administration of a Div III college in Upstate NY .... not sure about bowl games, but NCAA foots the travel/lodging/meal expenses for all Div II and Div III sports during any NCAA sanctioned post-season play... including plane-travel for trips > 500mi....

Otherwise, not unlike PSU, Television broadcast packages drive the Brinks Truck .... wayyyyyyyyy more lucrative than ticket and concessions revenue
 
Not true Art that Pa taxpayers fund PSU bowl expenses— PSU football produces significant surplus that funds pretty much rest of athletics and plays a huge role in 100k donating 250 million to PSU the past fiscal yr. Not all donations are football related— much driven by generational devotion to the place, but football and Joe were the glue to alumni that created this mojo.
 
Not true Art that Pa taxpayers fund PSU bowl expenses— PSU football produces significant surplus that funds pretty much rest of athletics and plays a huge role in 100k donating 250 million to PSU the past fiscal yr. Not all donations are football related— much driven by generational devotion to the place, but football and Joe were the glue to alumni that created this mojo.

To quote the Great Rod, "Money is fungible,"
 
This topic came up with a meeting I had on Thursday with the administration of a Div III college in Upstate NY .... not sure about bowl games, but NCAA foots the travel/lodging/meal expenses for all Div II and Div III sports during any NCAA sanctioned post-season play... including plane-travel for trips > 500mi....

Otherwise, not unlike PSU, Television broadcast packages drive the Brinks Truck .... wayyyyyyyyy more lucrative than ticket and concessions revenue

NCAA kicks in for expenses associated with travel to NCAA championships. Bowls, including the CFP, are not NCAA championship events. However, the Big Ten provides travel allowances for certain bowls and the CFP for NY6 Bowls. PSU will receive a $2.43mm allowance for the Cotton Bowl. You can be reasonably certain that expenses for the team and its entourage will exceed that.
 
I wonder they'd let some guy with a big ego and a lot of money sponsor a bowl and name it after himself. The Ned Jensen Bowl. The logo for the bowl could include a big picture of Ned Jensen's face. I bet if Ned Jensen offered up enough money, some bowl would take him up on it.
 
Today ABC has Alcorn State vs. NC A&T followed SMU vs. FL Atlantic. ESPN has FL Int'l vs. AK State.

Will the stadiums be filled? What % of capacity is needed for the arena to break even? Is there really much of a TV audience for these games?

Nobody cares about the bowl games outside the playoffs, other the some fans with teams playing in these meaningless games.
 
TV ratings tell otherwise. Almost always the top rated viewing in their time slot. There is a reason every single bowl game is televised. Regardless of whether there is 10 or 10,000 in the seats.
 
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TV ratings tell otherwise. Almost always the top rated viewing in their time slot. There is a reason every single bowl game is televised. Regardless of whether there is 10 or 10,000 in the seats.

That's hardly a surprise given viewing alternatives.

Go to a Disney shareholders' meeting and, if you can get recognized, ask Bob Iger how much ESPN makes on broadcasting college football and/or the CFP and watch him deflect.
 
the Big Ten provides travel allowances for certain bowls and the CFP for NY6 Bowls. PSU will receive a $2.43mm allowance for the Cotton Bowl. You can be reasonably certain that expenses for the team and its entourage will exceed that.

Players, coaches, and administrators aren't flying coach and eating at the Olive Garden.
 
You have to live the best to be the best.

:eek:

You have a point there.

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That's hardly a surprise given viewing alternatives.

Go to a Disney shareholders' meeting and, if you can get recognized, ask Bob Iger how much ESPN makes on broadcasting college football and/or the CFP and watch him deflect.

Considering they just bid 250-300 million to broadcast 15 SEC regular season games, I’m guessing a lot. That’s up from the 50 million ESPN paid in the previous term.
 
Considering they just bid 250-300 million to broadcast 15 SEC regular season games, I’m guessing a lot. That’s up from the 50 million ESPN paid in the previous term.

No. First, it was CBS that held the rights and they were for $55mm p.a. CBS bid $300mm which the SEC turned down, so $250mm-$300mm isn't going to cut it. Expectations are that the rights will go to ESPN for between $330mm-350mm.

Just because an entity makes a high bid for an asset doesn't mean it makes money selling that asset.
 
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Look in the mirror.
Exactly. The money comes from us, the consumer.
Buy a car. Buy insurance for that car. Buy a TV, laptop, smart phone, service for that smart phone, a bottle of beer or soda, candy bar, etc, etc, etc. We the consumer is where the money comes from. Every thing you watch on TV is paid for by we the consumer.
 
Nothing like a holiday ASS. BEATING. :eek: . I watched North Dakota State wipe the turf with Montana State in an FCS semifinal game today. The game was played in Fargo, a home game for North Dakota State. Imagine the crowd if they had played this game on a neutral field.
 
Nothing like a holiday ASS. BEATING. :eek: . I watched North Dakota State wipe the turf with Montana State in an FCS semifinal game today. The game was played in Fargo, a home game for North Dakota State. Imagine the crowd if they had played this game on a neutral field.

The FCS Championship is being played in a 21,000 seat stadium.....in Texas....in three weeks.
 
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