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I will be a much happier fan when coaches finally realize football is a poor fit for analytics.

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Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics, and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.
 
I used to say that you should never go for two until the 4th quarter but with the new clock rules, teams generally get 1 or even 2 less possessions a game so now I would say any time after the midway point of Q3
 
Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics, and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.
Translation: 91Joe95 no likey thinky. He no understand statistics so he poo-poo scary numbers by simple-mindedly trying to point out the details he thinks matters, but which are already embedded in the statistical analysis ... or will eventually be embedded in the statistical analysis.

It reminds me, slightly, of when I took on the vanguards of the baseball advanced stat world ... tangotiger is one of the godfathers of baseball quant'ing. There was a time when the new thing was to break up batted balls into fly balls, line drives and ground balls, and judge a batter based on the proximity to the optimal mix of these outcomes. Back then, the big controversy was the mouth-breathers crying as the new age stat guys clamored for line drives and fly balls, and downplayed strikeouts. Everybody knows you just put the ball in play ... put it on the ground, if you must, and good things will happen. But this was the rise of "launch angle" analysis (which is still valid, today, even if it's more intricate).

I argued with tango and others that the fly/line/ground analysis wasn't good enough ... that quality of contact mattered ... that a soft liner wasn't as good as a smashed fly ball, and that some folks were better at producing consistent hard contact than others, and this mattered. One of the reasons behind my argument was my own personal experience - in golf. Ball speed was a result of swing speed ... the difference between ball speed and swing speed was a multiple called "smash factor." It was essentially a measure of quality of contact (and ability of the club to transfer velo). When my swing was analyzed, my swing speed was below elite - very good, but below top pros - not elite. But my ball speed was elite. Faster than Tiger. So my quality of contact was better.

The argument then, by the stats nerds, was that they had no evidence that batted ball speed mattered and, more importantly, that it was a skill (it could be repeated and controlled). Of course, now everything is exit velo ... because they eventually found out I was correct, as they were better able to capture that data and analyze it. And now you look at exit velos and launch angles.

Point being, there are 2 things at play here. One, the stat turds (the unknowledgeable ones) thinking they're doing god's work picking out variables and individual circumstances that they think matter and blow up the stat - the great majority of the time, the analysis already accounts for those things, inherently, and there's no real differentiator there. Two, if there is a skill there, and it's not properly accounted for now, it likely will be eventually ... so you don't ignore the stat-based determinations ... you decide based on the best info and analysis available to you, and you change your decision-making if/when the analysis improves and indicates as such.

So, yes, in the future, if it's relevant to the decision of whether or not to go for 2, the quality of the Center, the quality of the DT, the quality of the WR, etc. ... those things will all be compiled, analyzed and included in statistical analyses, and that information will be processed and spit out to coaches on the spot, to the best of our abilities. The relevancy here is that you don't abandon statistical analysis ... you push forward with it and improve it, if possible. And you realize that the "old school" decisions you want made in place of reliance on more and better information, are themselves the process of "statistical analysis" - you don't go for it because you're unlikely to be successful (in your opinion). That's analysis, sport.
 
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Translation: 91Joe95 no likey thinky. He no understand statistics so he poo-poo scary numbers by simple-mindedly trying to point out the details he thinks matters, but which are already embedded in the statistical analysis ... or will eventually be embedded in the statistical analysis.

It reminds me, slightly, of when I took on the vanguards of the baseball advanced stat world ... tangotiger is one of the godfathers of baseball quant'ing. There was a time when the new thing was to break up batted balls into fly balls, line drives and ground balls, and judge a batter based on the proximity to the optimal mix of these outcomes. Back then, the big controversy was the mouth-breathers crying as the new age stat guys clamored for line drives and fly balls, and downplayed strikeouts. Everybody knows you just put the ball in play ... put it on the ground, if you must, and good things will happen. But this was the rise of "launch angle" analysis (which is still valid, today, even if it's more intricate).

I argued with tango and others that the fly/line/ground analysis wasn't good enough ... that quality of contact mattered ... that a soft liner wasn't as good as a smashed fly ball, and that some folks were better at producing consistent hard contact than others, and this mattered. One of the reasons behind my argument was my own personal experience - in golf. Ball speed was a result of swing speed ... the difference between ball speed and swing speed was a multiple called "smash factor." It was essentially a measure of quality of contact (and ability of the club to transfer velo). When my swing was analyzed, my swing speed was below elite - very good, but below top pros - not elite. But my ball speed was elite. Faster than Tiger. So my quality of contact was better.

The argument then, by the stats nerds, was that they had no evidence that batted ball speed mattered and, more importantly, that it was a skill (it could be repeated and controlled). Of course, now everything is exit velo ... because they eventually found out I was correct, as they were better able to capture that data and analyze it. And now you look at exit velos and launch angles.

Point being, there are 2 things at play here. One, the stat turds (the unknowledgeable ones) thinking they're doing god's work picking out variables and individual circumstances that they think matter and blow up the stat - the great majority of the time, the analysis already accounts for those things, inherently, and there's no real differentiator there. Two, if there is a skill there, and it's not properly accounted for now, it likely will be eventually ... so you don't ignore the stat-based determinations ... you decide based on the best info and analysis available to you, and you change your decision-making if/when the analysis improves and indicates as such.


LOL, I don't know who you're arguing with, because in baseball you can get copious amounts of data in repeatable situations.
 
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It was absurd how the Bills set themselves up to chase points early on for the remainder of the game. I mean, why don't teams that score a TD and are up 2 points go for 2 so that they can be up 4 points instead of 3? It feels like the same logic these nimrods use when they are down by a few points midway through the second quarter.

As one poster pointed out, don't go for 2 until you have to. That way, you can throw out all of the analytics charts.
 
Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics, and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.
A great point. Football is emotional and situational. I watched Urban Myer say that he watches for momentum swings. When the momentum swings your way, you take advantage with hurry up offenses, more aggressive play calling, and increased energy levels by the non-playing staff. It is hard to get 22 people on the same page. Plus, players don't know what is going on. When I played the OL, I was focused on my assignment. The whistle blew and we might have gained ten yards or lost ten yards. I had no idea why if my opponent wasn't the guy directly involved. I had to ask one of the skill guys and by then, it was often too late. So you just go into the huddle and focused on the next play. But if you did good, you were energized. If you did bad, you were like "oh crap, here we go."

It is always interesting to me to see what coordinators want to be in the booth (more strategic) and which want to be on the field (to plug into the emotion/energy).
 
LOL, I don't know who you're arguing with, because in baseball you can get copious amounts of data in repeatable situations.
LOL, you're trying to argue distinctions without difference, as every pitch is different. Every swing is different. The baseball equivalent of 91Joe95's argument is that every pitch has different velo, with different spin rates and movement, at different locations, from slightly different arm angles and heights and every swing is slightly different, and every pitch sequence is different as well ... so there's no way to judge if a particular swing or pitch will be successful ... so screw analytics and just go old school ... which is still using "analytics" ... just much less informed analytics.

The way is forward, not backward ... so if there is a limitation with current analytics (which you've not shown, in the least, but assuming there is), the answer is to improve data collection and analysis, not retreat back to decision-making based on even less reliable information.
 
A great point. Football is emotional and situational. I watched Urban Myer say that he watches for momentum swings. When the momentum swings your way, you take advantage with hurry up offenses, more aggressive play calling, and increased energy levels by the non-playing staff. It is hard to get 22 people on the same page. Plus, players don't know what is going on. When I played the OL, I was focused on my assignment. The whistle blew and we might have gained ten yards or lost ten yards. I had no idea why if my opponent wasn't the guy directly involved. I had to ask one of the skill guys and by then, it was often too late. So you just go into the huddle and focused on the next play. But if you did good, you were energized. If you did bad, you were like "oh crap, here we go."

It is always interesting to me to see what coordinators want to be in the booth (more strategic) and which want to be on the field (to plug into the emotion/energy).

When you talk about emotion, the team making a 2 pt conversion doesn't get that much of an emotional boost because they already scored the TD and got the emotion. If they miss, they lose a little emotion from it, but more importantly the defense gets a disproportionate boost from making a big play. There's really only an emotional upside for the defense in a 2 pt try.
 
When you talk about emotion, the team making a 2 pt conversion doesn't get that much of an emotional boost because they already scored the TD and got the emotion. If they miss, they lose a little emotion from it, but more importantly the defense gets a disproportionate boost from making a big play. There's really only an emotional upside for the defense in a 2 pt try.
yeah. I agree. and not making it is a bit of a deflator. I didn't understand going for two so early in the game. They went for two in the second quarter at 21 - 16. That ended up throwing them off the entire second half. They then had to go for two in the third quarter to go from 1 or 2 up, to 3. Just kicking the XP would have changed the complexion of the game.
 
Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics, and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.
Not a fan of analytics but I didn't have a problem with them going for 2 on either occasion yesterday.
 
Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics, and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.


Translation: 91Joe95's analytics contradict the coach's analytics.
 
When you talk about emotion, the team making a 2 pt conversion doesn't get that much of an emotional boost because they already scored the TD and got the emotion. If they miss, they lose a little emotion from it, but more importantly the defense gets a disproportionate boost from making a big play. There's really only an emotional upside for the defense in a 2 pt try.


Sounds like they went for two based on EMOTION and should use more analytics.
 
Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics, and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.

I'm guessing someone thought that since there are rules for hitting, sticking, splitting and doubling down in black jack, there should be a similar set of rules for football. Unfortunately for the Bills, the rules did not work.

It reminds me a bit of picking stocks based on Technical Analysis instead of fundamentals.
 
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Not a fan of analytics but I didn't have a problem with them going for 2 on either occasion yesterday.
I thought going for two at the end of the first half was really dumb. They were down 21 - 10. They had to have a TD to get back into the game but also to come out with momentum as KC received the kick to start the half. Making a two would have had them a FG behind. But not making the 2 ended up being a bummer going into the half. I would have tried to feed that momentum.

As it turned out, they stopped the Chiefs to start the third quarter and ended up taking the lead. But going for two there forced them to go for two later. And again, they failed later. Again, hurting their momentum. And those two points ended up being consequential.
 
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Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics, and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.
Analytics seems to be the excuse when a poorly designed or poorly executed play fails. It's a cop out for the coach. IMO
 
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Analytics seems to be the excuse when a poorly designed or poorly executed play fails. It's a cop out for the coach. IMO
great point. It reminds me of salesforce.com. It is a great tool but it is a tool that everyone has access to. So it has become a shovel for builders. Everyone has a shovel. It no longer is key to building a great house. It doesn't allow you to beat the competition but if you don't have one, you will certainly lose. the great coaches, like any creative, will win with being able to understand and exploit the millions of pieces of information and make sense of it. This why AI doesn't really scare me over the long run.

At some point there is the analytics and the art. The A's didn't win the world championship with Moneyball. In fact, damn near went bankrupt and are now in Vegas.
 
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I also didn't understand a team being up 8 after a TD and going for 2. What was the rationale there?
Oh yeah that was another great one. Kick the XP and go up 9 to make it a two-score game, or go for two so that they need a TD and a field goal to tie. They decide to go for two. Just nutty.
 
LOL, you're trying to argue distinctions without difference, as every pitch is different. Every swing is different. The baseball equivalent of 91Joe95's argument is that every pitch has different velo, with different spin rates and movement, at different locations, from slightly different arm angles and heights and every swing is slightly different, and every pitch sequence is different as well ... so there's no way to judge if a particular swing or pitch will be successful ... so screw analytics and just go old school ... which is still using "analytics" ... just much less informed analytics.

The way is forward, not backward ... so if there is a limitation with current analytics (which you've not shown, in the least, but assuming there is), the answer is to improve data collection and analysis, not retreat back to decision-making based on even less reliable information.

Oh Dear Lord, somebody help this clown.
 
Analytics seems to be the excuse when a poorly designed or poorly executed play fails. It's a cop out for the coach. IMO

Lol, back when Six Sigma was all the rage and a bunch of us had to get our black belts, we used to half heartily joke that the best part about it was that if you put "Six Sigma Project" in any project title very few knew enough to argue against it.
 
One thing about the going for 2 question is that it is different in the NFL given the PAT vs 2 point conversion rules of ball placement. So, you have situations like getting a penalty that puts the ball at the 1 that makes going for 2 versus 1 a different calculus.
 
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As of late October last year, the success rate for 2 point conversions across the NFL was 31%, which gives those attempts an expected value of .62 points. Expected value for PAT attempt is about .95 points. Which all suggests that the 2 point conversion should be a desparation play unless you have very good reason to believe your own success rate would be closer to 50%.
 
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I also didn't understand a team being up 8 after a TD and going for 2. What was the rationale there?
TD +FG = 10
I agree with you though. I absolutely hate the regularity of going for 2.
The eagles, at one point yesterday could have gone up 9 (2 scores) with an extra point. Instead they miss the 2 pt conversion and were only up 8. Thankfully the WFT turned it over a few times and it didn't matter. That game yesterday was no gimme. Take away the turnovers and we had the Eagles OL injuries and Daniel's playing pretty well. That game easily could have stayed close, especially if the WFT didn't have to start taking risks. That extra pt could have mattered...of course, the flip side is that Jake Elliot has been anything but automatic on PATs this season 🤷🤷🤣🤣
 
Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.
While analytics is a valuable tool it seems to be that newest shiny thingy everyone is crazy about. Sometimes you can make that nice new tool you just bought used for everything at all times only to find out that it should only be used for its intended purpose. Some basic things never change in football or any sport really and you have to know when to break away or when to stay with it. Like knowing when to run out the clock so as to not put the ball back into the hands of the enemy. Do the sensible thing to survive and stay in the game.
 
As of late October last year, the success rate for 2 point conversions across the NFL was 31%, which gives those attempts an expected value of .62 points. Expected value for PAT attempt is about .95 points. Which all suggests that the 2 point conversion should be a desparation play unless you have very good reason to believe your own success rate would be closer to 50%.
Yet CJF….at that very moment October ‘23 was busy going for 2, down by 9 points with 2:30 to go. Needing 1 to keep the game going. Went with the high risk and no real value to winning and full downside to losing.

And shortened the game by 2:30.

🤷🏻‍♂️
 
While analytics is a valuable tool it seems to be that newest shiny thingy everyone is crazy about. Sometimes you can make that nice new tool you just bought used for everything at all times only to find out that it should only be used for its intended purpose. Some basic things never change in football or any sport really and you have to know when to break away or when to stay with it. Like knowing when to run out the clock so as to not put the ball back into the hands of the enemy. Do the sensible thing to survive and stay in the game.
I agree. Football, like life, is both science and art. Analytics is great for engineering and analysis. But college football is played by 18 to 22, 23, 24 year old kids. If you've ever been around them, emotions play a huge part. If you don't tap into the emotions of football, you are missing at least 50%. It is unlike baseball where 162 games are played and things tend to even out.
 
Yet CJF….at that very moment October ‘23 was busy going for 2, down by 9 points with 2:30 to go. Needing 1 to keep the game going. Went with the high risk and no real value to winning and full downside to losing.

And shortened the game by 2:30.

🤷🏻‍♂️


You would have went for the low risk 8 point loss. #winning?
 
You would have went for the low risk 8 point loss. #winning?
I'm not sure that I understand your sarcastic comment.

If you are down 9 points and kick the XP (95% probability), you are down 8 points. You can now tie the game if you get a TD and a 2-point conversion. You have basically extended the game, because there is a chance to get the ball back for one last scoring drive. But if you go for 2 points and miss (50% probability), you are still down 9 and now you need a TD and a FG to win. Given the limited time remaining to execute two scoring drives, you have effectively ended the game if you don't convert the 2 points.


Coaches are increasingly going for 2 points in these types of situations, and I just don't get it.
 
Coaches are increasingly going for 2 points in these types of situations, and I just don't get it.
It seems to be for the simple reason of watching old-school football heads pull their hair out. No reason to chase points until you have to. One has no idea in H1 or Q3 or sometimes early in Q4 how the game will proceed. Take the 1 and keep the momentum from scoring. Take the 3 and keep the momentum from scoring. Small caveat: If your K is having the yips (i.e. Birds' K), that has to weigh into the analysis.

No need to panic, there will be plenty of time for that later.
 
I'm not sure that I understand your sarcastic comment.

If you are down 9 points and kick the XP (95% probability), you are down 8 points. You can now tie the game if you get a TD and a 2-point conversion. You have basically extended the game, because there is a chance to get the ball back for one last scoring drive. But if you go for 2 points and miss (50% probability), you are still down 9 and now you need a TD and a FG to win. Given the limited time remaining to execute two scoring drives, you have effectively ended the game if you don't convert the 2 points.


Coaches are increasingly going for 2 points in these types of situations, and I just don't get it.


So your ANALYTICS says go for one?
 
Yes, this is a reference to the dumb 2 pt attempts Buffalo tried, but they are far from the only team. First off, the coaches don't really know how to apply them properly. If they did, they'd understand the data behind them is very incomplete. There's also no really good way to fix it either as there are simply too many variables. Every competent statistician knows when you add or remove variables, you are supposed to start new data sets. All these charts are based on the proverbial 30,000 foot view of the problem. There's no way to capture if a specific guard or center can beat his man, or a receiver runs a crisper pattern, or is more physical than the DB, or is matched up against a LB, whether a LB is good at covering a TE, does a play call provide space for receivers, does a coach do a better job of scouting the opposing team's tendencies, are players getting fatigued, when does fatigue typically set in for certain players, etc, etc, etc. Now, not all variables always matter, but when you have 22 players on a field, with liberal substitution and coaching staff tendencies, it should become apparent the number of variables grows dramatically, and there is simply no way to generate enough statistical data to be truly meaningful.

My solution - make every coach take a course that highlights the limitations and misuses of statistics, and then gather all their stupid charts and throw a White Sox style party at midfield.

Agree 1 billion %
 
So your ANALYTICS says go for one?

Analytics does not take into account a million different things. I’ll name a few for a 2 point conversion for example.

- the weather
- injuries
- one team or the other is tired
- home/on the road
- Experience of QB/roster
- is your team clutch
- Are you the better team?
- how good is your team on these (2 point conversions.
- Do you have a play call that you’re confident will work?
- How good is the defense vs 2- point conversions?
- If you want to run the ball how has your run game been/especially as of recently?
- If you don’t get the 2 point conversion will that mentally affect your team?
 
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