If Logan Stiebler had won in 4 weight classes ...

[Dogwelder]

If Logan Stiebler had moved up one weight class each successive year, and had won each year by pushing down the actual All Americans by one place, then he would have bragging rights over at least the following wrestlers who either have been NCAA Finalists or have been NCAA top-3 in a weight class and year that contained Logan Stiebler:

Wrestler (# of Finals vs. Stiebler; # of years at Stiebler's weight)

Jordan Oliver (1 Finals: 2012 (133); 1 year: 2012)
Kendrick Maple (1 Finals: 2013 (141); 1 year: 2013)
Jason Tsirtsis (1 Finals: 2014 (149); 1 year: 2014)
Isaiah Martinez (1 Finals: 2015 (157); 1 year: 2015)
Tony Ramos (1 year: 2012)
Devin Carter (1 year: 2012)
Tyler Graff (1 year: 2013)
Mitchell Port (1 year: 2013)
Josh Kindig (1 year: 2014)
David Habat (1 year: 2014)
Brian RealButo (1 year: 2015)

In reality, Logan Stiebler has won in only 2 weight classes (twice each), and he has bragging rights over at least the following wrestlers who either have been NCAA Finalists or have been NCAA top-3 in a weight class and year that contained Logan Stiebler:

Wrestler (# of Finals vs. Stiebler; # of years at Stiebler's weight)

Jordan Oliver (1 Finals: 2012 (133), 1 year: 2012)
Tony Ramos (1 Finals: 2013 (133), 2 years: 2012, 2013)
Devin Carter (1 Finals: 2014 (141), 3 years: 2012 (133), 2014, 2015)
Mitchell Port (1 Finals: 2015 (141), 2 years: 2014, 2015)
Tyler Graff (1 year: 2013)

The above is one example situation that might indicate that the 4-weight-classes nature of Dake's record is impressive above and beyond merely winning 4 titles.

This post was edited on 3/24 5:17 PM by Dogwelder

 

[psu ironman]

Unless superior wrestlers emerged at the weight class he* just left.

*The 4-weight guy

 

[drock1971]

Ramos & Oliver look like the better wrestler to me in 2
of his finals,but, that's just IMO.
This year he was other worldly.

 

[Bushwood CC]

Originally posted by drock1971:

Ramos & Oliver look like the better wrestler to me in 2
of his finals,but, that's just IMO.
This year he was other worldly.

In all honestly, I thought Alex Dieringer was the more dominant wrestler this year overall and in the NCAA Tournament. Didn't even notice - who was awarded Most Dominant Wrestler for the NCAA Tournament? Probably went to LS because it was his 4th title, but it isn't supposed to be a career title and if it didn't go to AD, it should have IMO.

 

[El-Jefe]

Most Dominant is not based upon polling. It's a straight-forward calculation based upon each wrestler's record: +/-3 points for regular decisions, +/- 4 MD, +/- 5 TF, +/- 6 pins. Divide the sum by # matches.

Here are the standings before nationals started. Stieber was far enough ahead to win the award as long as he won the title.

1 Stieber 5.00
2 Gwiazdowski 4.64
3 Dieringer 4.60
4 Martinez 4.38
5 Port 4.32

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncaa.com%2Fnews%2Fwrestling%2Farticle%2F2015-03-13%2Fdivision-i-award-standings-updated-heading-national-championship&ei=1PQRVamqAcm68gXWqoCwD

 

[Dogwelder]

> Unless superior wrestlers emerged at the weight class he* just left.

Good point, Ironman. For example, if Stiebler would have jumped one weight class per year, he would have missed Zain Retherford's cohort of 141-pound freshmen (including redshirt freshmen)--i.e., one set of new people. But, he would have gained contact with *four* sets of new people that season, namely the 149-pound freshmen, 149-pound sophomores, 149-pound juniors and 149-pound seniors of the 2013-2014 year.


This post was edited on 3/24 10:48 PM by Dogwelder

 

[Dogwelder]

If Logan Stiebler had moved up one weight class each successive year, and had won each year by pushing down the actual All Americans by one place, then he would have bragging rights over at least the following wrestlers who either have been NCAA Finalists or have been NCAA top-3 in a weight class and year that contained Logan Stiebler:

Wrestler (# of Finals vs. Stiebler; # of years at Stiebler's weight)

Jordan Oliver (1 Finals: 2012 (133); 1 year: 2012)
Kendrick Maple (1 Finals: 2013 (141); 1 year: 2013)
Jason Tsirtsis (1 Finals: 2014 (149); 1 year: 2014)
Isaiah Martinez (1 Finals: 2015 (157); 1 year: 2015)

Tony Ramos (1 year: 2012)
Devin Carter (1 year: 2012)
Tyler Graff (1 year: 2013)
Mitchell Port (1 year: 2013)
Josh Kindig (1 year: 2014)
David Habat (1 year: 2014)
Brian RealButo (1 year: 2015)

In reality, Logan Stiebler has won in only 2 weight classes (twice each), and he has bragging rights over at least the following wrestlers who either have been NCAA Finalists or have been NCAA top-3 in a weight class and year that contained Logan Stiebler:

Wrestler (# of Finals vs. Stiebler; # of years at Stiebler's weight)

Jordan Oliver (1 Finals: 2012 (133), 1 year: 2012)
Tony Ramos (1 Finals: 2013 (133), 2 years: 2012, 2013)
Devin Carter (1 Finals: 2014 (141), 3 years: 2012 (133), 2014, 2015)
Mitchell Port (1 Finals: 2015 (141), 2 years: 2014, 2015)
Tyler Graff (1 year: 2013)

The above is one example situation that might indicate that the 4-weight-classes nature of Dake's record is impressive above and beyond merely winning 4 titles.

This post was edited on 3/24 5:17 PM by Dogwelder

I'm bumping this thread because of something that Cowbell wrote in a current thread.

 

[dunkej01]

Good to see Bushwoord CC represented past (this thread) and present (other threads)