If one is not satisfied with 7-6 seasons, that doesn't make them a Pitt fan

[Lionrevival]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

 

[SR108]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

Patience, I don't think anyone is satisfied with 7 win seasons. The good news is we are stocking up on talent, Franklin will either learn how to use it or he will eventually be gone. Next year will not necessarily be better given the schedule, new QB, same OLine and learning a new offense.

 

[danvillenit]

Joe was the master of excuses his last 15 years. Every team was young or inexperienced He never blamed the coaching staff

Sanctions aren't an excuse, they really did happen

 

[PSULBU]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

They are when they are posting for the first time then after that it's the same old BS. BTW, how do you know you've been a fan longer than the "majority" of the posters on this site?

 

[PSU-Knocker]

Joe was the master of excuses his last 15 years. Every team was young or inexperienced He never blamed the coaching staff

Sanctions aren't an excuse, they really did happen

What? Yes, they are an excuse and they were not deserved. Are you just ignorant?

 

[EPC FAN]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

Joe had FIVE LOSING SEASONS, and he NEVER had a sanctions depleted roster. The Lions have not had ONE losing season even though they've been saddled with real problems of lack of talent.
Nobody is satisfied, but most are realistic about what was possible with the lack of offensive linemen.

 

[WDLion]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

Stop making up crap. Nobody is satisfied 7-6 seasons. Most are aware of the reason we've had 7-6 seasons. You on the other hand want to dismiss the sanctions and want to blame everything on Franklin.

 

[Nitwit]

If we were playing on a level playing field and having 7 win seasons, that would be one thing, but we're not. It's all about rebuilding the program now, not about current season results.

 

[NewYC]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

I don't care if it's 7-10 wins. I want 13-0 and I think they are building towards that. And yes, winning records with maybe the worst sanctions ever handed down is ok at this point. You have to remember that they haven't even been able to practice like other teams. It's coming. Next year I think we'll see improvement everywhere except the dline and we can just hope that it turns out to be pretty good.

 

[AWS1022]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

If you were a fan for so long you must have fallen asleep in the early 2000's when we absolutely sucked and Joe had a ton of excuses.

 

[broey]

All I know is that Lionrevival is a troll. FR.

 

[Mudge1026]

The problem on the free board is there is a "mistrust" of posters so if someone says something they didnt like you immediately get called a "troll". It's understandable because there are "lurkers" on this board that fuel the paranoia. I understand that some aren't on "premium" for financial reasons but if that's not the case I strongly suggest you subscribe to premium. I enjoy both boards none the less.

 

[bdgan]

Joe was the master of excuses his last 15 years. Every team was young or inexperienced He never blamed the coaching staff

Sanctions aren't an excuse, they really did happen

Joe averaged 10 wins per season over his last 7 years.

The sanctions really hurt PSU but they should still have done better than 7-6.

 

[PSULBU]

The problem on the free board is there is a "mistrust" of posters so if someone says something they didnt like you immediately get called a "troll". It's understandable because there are "lurkers" on this board that fuel the paranoia. I understand that some aren't on "premium" for financial reasons but if that's not the case I strongly suggest you subscribe to premium. I enjoy both boards none the less.

That board has buttholes as well and one is a moderator

 

[pandaczar12]

What? Yes, they are an excuse and they were not deserved. Are you just ignorant?

I think you are misinterpreting his post, or maybe I am. But I think he is saying they aren't an excuse, they actually happened, so they are a reason we've had some mediocre seasons.

 

[Lionrevival]

Joe averaged 10 wins per season over his last 7 years.

The sanctions really hurt PSU but they should still have done better than 7-6.

This

I don't understand how anyone can criticize joe's body of work. From national championships to many double digit win seasons, it is surprising anyone would belittle.

BOB, Franklin, and pretty much the almost every other coach will never equal joe's body of work. I am not asking for that. I am asking for coaches. Real coaches. We are a destination, not a place that settles for 7 win seasons. Franklin should be gone and we can take our pick from there, yep I am arrogant about psu.

 

[AWS1022]

This

I don't understand how anyone can criticize joe's body of work. From national championships to many double digit win seasons, it is surprising anyone would belittle.

BOB, Franklin, and pretty much the almost every other coach will never equal joe's body of work. I am not asking for that. I am asking for coaches. Real coaches. We are a destination, not a place that settles for 7 win seasons. Franklin should be gone and we can take our pick from there, yep I am arrogant about psu.

And who would the next Joe Paterno that we hire be? Hopefully someone who can win at least one NC in 25 years. Joe was a one of a kind coach for any program so to use that as a measuring stick is ridiculous. But, he did go from 1987 and on without a NC and very few Big championships. We weren't exactly today's Alabama the last half of his career.

 

[royboy]

Joe averaged 10 wins per season over his last 7 years.

The sanctions really hurt PSU but they should still have done better than 7-6.

You're now as foolish as the latest Pitt troll?

 

[YorkCoLion]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

You are a Pitt troll not because of this, but because of the things you post. Calling "center PA" hick country and referring to Franklin as Gameday Frank are Pitt fanboy buzzwords. Maybe being a bit more positive and less negative all the time would change other posters' minds. But you are the biggest Pitt troll on this board, PantherRevival...

 

[psu00]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

I get what you're saying. I don't think anyone is happy about it. Many excuse everything because of sanctions. Others go overboard the other direction. There is middle ground- and you are right that there's far too many here who start the 'you're a troll/ Pitt fan/ "hater"' nonsense when there's an opinion they disagree with.

Patience is needed for recruiting to fill in gaps of talent and depth. At least 2 more years are needed to give Franklin and staff a fair amount of time to be able to show what they've got.

I agree that so far it's been pretty average at best. Not just in wins/ losses but in issues like time management, repeatedly wasting time outs, game plans, etc. That said, there are legitimate manpower and depth issues.

I'm at the point where I just don't know about the staff so far but we have to wait a few more years to be fair. I think everyone here is rooting for them to do well. Time will tell.

 

[Option Bob]

Quite a lot of talk about how "easy" Penn State's schedule was ... not a "murderer's row." But teams that win 10 games out of 12 or 13 are not cupcakes.

I consider playing Michigan, MSU, Ohio State, and Georgia (and only 1 of them in Beaver Stadium) quite formidable. With a roster hindered by junior and senior classes of 15 scholarships each instead of 25 and filled with solid individuals who appeared lacking in football acumen, the coaching staff did manage 7 wins, 1 of which was over an 11-3 squad.

The loss to Northwestern was 1 of those "coulda-shoulda-woulda" types where simply converting a 3rd down = a win. No disgrace in losing to a school that beat Rose Bowl champion Stanford.

The Temple loss on opening day is the one that hurts the record, even though Temple proved a most worthy opponent. The Owls deserved the win, but I'm not so certain that had Wartman-White not been injured, the defense would have continued to stymie the Temple offense.

The other 4 losses were to squads with much more talent, especially among their junior and senior classes. Yet, Penn State played the Wolverines and Bulldogs tough, and San Diego State proved to be solid win.

I doubt any PSU fans are happy losing 6 games. Most of us are likely not happy to lose any. But we should be able to understand that Coach Franklin's predecessor was severely handicapped because of the ridiculous sanctions, and despite his tremendous skills as a coach, was unable to bring in 2 classes of 50 blue-chip athletes. The current staff has worked hard to compensate for those 2 years of forced sub-par recruiting results. The 2011 class was additionally weak when it was raided by OSU following the scandal.

James Franklin is an excellent coach with a very good staff of assistants. Soon, he will have a roster filled with 85 scholarship athletes whom he sought and signed. Then we can all sit back and judge his program. Until then, I am one long-time Nittany Lion who unflinchingly admired Joe Paterno and who now is 100% behind Coach Franklin.

 

[Lionrevival]

And who would the next Joe Paterno that we hire be? Hopefully someone who can win at least one NC in 25 years. Joe was a one of a kind coach for any program so to use that as a measuring stick is ridiculous. But, he did go from 1987 and on without a NC and very few Big championships. We weren't exactly today's Alabama the last half of his career.

I think you misunderstood me. I don't think any school will ever find another Joe. They don't exist anymore in college football and a lot are missing from society too.

I am for sure that we can plug a Matt rhule in and we are a nine win team this year, for sure. I chose Matt as an example because he is one of us, but there are many outsiders that would fair way better than JF.

Without sanctions how many coaches turn us down? I don't think many. We give them the keys to a huge salary, pay for assistants, monster tradition, perhaps the most dedicated fanbase in the US, etc, etc, etc. we don't need to settle on any coach, that is for damn sure.

 

[EPC FAN]

The problem on the free board is there is a "mistrust" of posters so if someone says something they didnt like you immediately get called a "troll". It's understandable because there are "lurkers" on this board that fuel the paranoia. I understand that some aren't on "premium" for financial reasons but if that's not the case I strongly suggest you subscribe to premium. I enjoy both boards none the less.

I was a Lions Den member for 14 years. The level of disrespect shown by Nate Bauer caused me to stop my membership. I see the same information elsewhere, for free. Somebody is always giving away some premium information to try to get you to join. I will not pay Rivals ever again. If I am banned here, I will just go elsewhere.

 

[Lionrevival]

Quite a lot of talk about how "easy" Penn State's schedule was ... not a "murderer's row." But teams that win 10 games out of 12 or 13 are not cupcakes.

I consider playing Michigan, MSU, Ohio State, and Georgia (and only 1 of them in Beaver Stadium) quite formidable. With a roster hindered by junior and senior classes of 15 scholarships each instead of 25 and filled with solid individuals who appeared lacking in football acumen, the coaching staff did manage 7 wins, 1 of which was over an 11-3 squad.

The loss to Northwestern was 1 of those "coulda-shoulda-woulda" types where simply converting a 3rd down = a win. No disgrace in losing to a school that beat Rose Bowl champion Stanford.

The Temple loss on opening day is the one that hurts the record, even though Temple proved a most worthy opponent. The Owls deserved the win, but I'm not so certain that had Wartman-White not been injured, the defense would have continued to stymie the Temple offense.

The other 4 losses were to squads with much more talent, especially among their junior and senior classes. Yet, Penn State played the Wolverines and Bulldogs tough, and San Diego State proved to be solid win.

I doubt any PSU fans are happy losing 6 games. Most of us are likely not happy to lose any. But we should be able to understand that Coach Franklin's predecessor was severely handicapped because of the ridiculous sanctions, and despite his tremendous skills as a coach, was unable to bring in 2 classes of 50 blue-chip athletes. The current staff has worked hard to compensate for those 2 years of forced sub-par recruiting results. The 2011 class was additionally weak when it was raided by OSU following the scandal.

James Franklin is an excellent coach with a very good staff of assistants. Soon, he will have a roster filled with 85 scholarship athletes whom he sought and signed. Then we can all sit back and judge his program. Until then, I am one long-time Nittany Lion who unflinchingly admired Joe Paterno and who now is 100% behind Coach Franklin.

Alright, you make a fair point about scheduling. I do feel like we played some substantially good teams (Michigan 1 and 2 and OSU). I think it is the temple and northwestern games that gave me the fits. Georgia game too. There are a lot of head scratchers in terms of play calling and game day prep that has been horrible to witness.

I don't think Franklin can compete with harbaugh, Meyer, and dantonio. Mark especially has won with three star recruits. Have you seen his recruiting progression to this year? Michigan at is going to be scary until he leaves.

 

[EPC FAN]

I think you misunderstood me. I don't think any school will ever find another Joe. They don't exist anymore in college football and a lot are missing from society too.

I am for sure that we can plug a Matt rhule in and we are a nine win team this year, for sure. I chose Matt as an example because he is one of us, but there are many outsiders that would fair way better than JF.

Without sanctions how many coaches turn us down? I don't think many. We give them the keys to a huge salary, pay for assistants, monster tradition, perhaps the most dedicated fanbase in the US, etc, etc, etc. we don't need to settle on any coach, that is for damn sure.

Rhule was 3-4 in his last 7 games. His great season turned into mediocre and right quick. He has hit his high water mark. TEN AND FOUR.

 

[Nitt1300]

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Franklin should be gone and we can take our pick from there, yep I am arrogant about psu.

opinions vary, and everyone is entitled to theirs

mine is that yours is really stupid

 

[Lionrevival]

Rhule was 3-4 in his last 7 games. His great season turned into mediocre and right quick. He has hit his high water mark. TEN AND FOUR.

He is at freaking TEMPLE....TEMPLE

HE MANAGED TO BEAT US COACHING TEMPLE.

Have you looked at what temple brings in for talent? He managed to out coach penn state using temple's roster.

 

[Lionrevival]

opinions vary, and everyone is entitled to theirs

mine is that yours is really stupid

So if we go for 7 or 8 wins next year then you're satisfied

 

[Nitt1300]

So if we go for 7 or 8 wins next year then you're satisfied

not at all, but thinking that Franklin has had a chance to prove himself- well, that's simply idiotic- there is no other way to describe it
you'd fire him and start over? I just can't believe a serious observer would even suggest such a thing

 

[Option Bob]

Alright, you make a fair point about scheduling. I do feel like we played some substantially good teams (Michigan 1 and 2 and OSU). I think it is the temple and northwestern games that gave me the fits. Georgia game too. There are a lot of head scratchers in terms of play calling and game day prep that has been horrible to witness.

I don't think Franklin can compete with harbaugh, Meyer, and dantonio. Mark especially has won with three star recruits. Have you seen his recruiting progression to this year? Michigan at is going to be scary until he leaves.

I agree with you that the Temple and Northwestern losses bother me the most, but mainly because I think we overlooked the former and outplayed the latter. Of the 6 losses, those 2 were to teams which I do not believe held a superior edge in talent. I am not willing to blame these losses on the coaching staff any more than I am to blame losing to MSU on Meyer/staff or to Alabama on Dantonio/staff. Sometimes, football games just don't go one's way despite solid efforts of the coaches and players.

Like you, I am concerned that Penn State is in the same division as 3 coaches now almost universally accepted as among the very best in the nation. Can Franklin make it 4? I don't know. But right now I genuinely like James Franklin and what he is bringing to Penn State football to maintain the legacies of Rip Engle and Joe Paterno. Can he consistently beat Meyer/Harbaugh/Dantonio? That's like asking wrestling fans in the Big Ten whether their coaches can consistently beat Coach Sanderson. Coaches who are acclaimed as "great" are so recognized because no one beats them consistently ... or else the one who beat them would be called the greatest.

I believe Franklin can coach well enough to beat the 3 "great ones" often enough to make PSU relevant nationally again.

 

[psuro]

Less than 5000 posts = troll

5001-15,000 posts= knowledgeable poster

15,001-25,000 posts = wise sage

More than 25,000 posts= member of Council of Elders

 

[EPC FAN]

He is at freaking TEMPLE....TEMPLE

HE MANAGED TO BEAT US COACHING TEMPLE.

Have you looked at what temple brings in for talent? He managed to out coach penn state using temple's roster.

You are really f*cking stupid. On ignore you go.

 

[Tweedbear]

It is tiresome to hear people call for a new coach after 2 seasons. The sanctions took away the "destination" designation.
Can you imagine what things would be if the sanctions had not been voided?If you were a young coach would you have taken the job with all the uncertainty? A BOT that was demonstrating an anti football bias..
Franklin demonstrated a faith in the PSU base when he took the position.
If sanctions hold at the end of the first contract he is not an up and coming young coach but a funeral director whose next job would not be as a HC. Maybe as a used car salesman as too many of you denigrate him.

No there will never be another JVP.

 

[bdgan]

You're now as foolish as the latest Pitt troll?

You think 7-6 is as good as could have been expected the last 2 years?

 

[StinkStankStunk]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

Nope. Just unrealistic. And there ARE plenty of PSU fans (or "fans" of any other program) that are quite unrealistic

 

[bmejnes]

expressing discontent with 7-6 seasons, especially when our schedule isn't exactly murders row doesn't mean that person is a Pitt or Michigan fan, or a troll.

I have been a fan for longer than the majority of the posters on this site. I have lived through our best years. I have been very lucky.

Unfortunately, now we have a fanbase that labels fellow posters as trolls or Pitt fans if consistent 7-5 years is viewed as bad. I never thought I would see the day that a portion of our fanbase is satisfied with the product and subsequent results we have seen in the past few years.

Next year, most are satisfied with another 7 or 8 win season. Why? Sanctions? Really? Joe would never have accepted these excuses. Shame on everyone here.

Not saying you're a troll but you are showing tendencies that trolls will always use... I know, because I trolled the Pittsters board for several months trying not to get banned. After their Navy beat-down, I blew it!

You're either a troll or someone that isn't very down to earth on what the sanctions really were about! THEY tried to ruin PSU football! You should be applauding Franklin and what he is trying to do.. If we are 7-6 in 2018, then we need to change coaches

 

[Tweedbear]

If you are referring to me as a Pitt troll, I was a season ticket holder when you were a wet dream.
There is too much obsession with Pitt.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

So if we go for 7 or 8 wins next year then you're satisfied

I'd be SHOCKED!! Without Hackenberg and Johnson, getting to bowl eligibility would be a nice accomplishment

I would be disappointed if they get to 2017/18 and are not winning 9 or 10 and regularly competing with the top teams in the conference.

 

[YorkLion]

"Lower your expectations" seems to have settled in.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Only an idiot think the sanctions were a reward and that they would have no impact. This Pitt fan is upset that PSU survived them and are poised to turn the corner. His act has been used before elsewhere. Why are trolls so damn transparent?