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Is 170 out if reach?

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Iowa 1997
8 AAs + 2 round of 12 (That's possible once 125 and 149 get settled)
6 Finalists, 5 Champs ( We already return 4 former Champs)

Before the season I would have said no, but Dec 3, having seen Shak and Cassar at their new weights, plus what RBY can do ... I think maybe.

Still early, many more data points to go, but at the very least this could be the best team, top to bottom, Cael has assembled.
 
Iowa 1997
8 AAs + 2 round of 12 (That's possible once 125 and 149 get settled)
6 Finalists, 5 Champs ( We already return 4 former Champs)

Before the season I would have said no, but Dec 3, having seen Shak and Cassar at their new weights, plus what RBY can do ... I think maybe.

Still early, many more data points to go, but at the very least this could be the best team, top to bottom, Cael has assembled.
I think 125 is already settled.
 
Iowa 1997
8 AAs + 2 round of 12 (That's possible once 125 and 149 get settled)
6 Finalists, 5 Champs ( We already return 4 former Champs)

Before the season I would have said no, but Dec 3, having seen Shak and Cassar at their new weights, plus what RBY can do ... I think maybe.

Still early, many more data points to go, but at the very least this could be the best team, top to bottom, Cael has assembled.
Somewhere I read that Iowa was on track for 182 points and 12 AA's. Must have been Springtime in the Cesspool
 
The ultra optimist says 12, 4, 3, 3, 1,1,1,1,1,1: 161.5, with no bonus.
The ultra pessimist says 33, 8, 5, 5, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 3: 127, with no bonus.

8.5 bonus? No problem.
43 bonus? No way.

I think we need to be 33, 3, 3, 3, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 3 to have a shot with the 24 bonus that would be required. Two years ago, we were on the order of 28 bonus, last year in the teens, if I recall correctly.
 
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We were 141.5 last year. We should get more at heavy and with Sugar and whatever we get at 149.......which will be offset by the loss of Zain. I say that is a wash. We will score at 133. My bet is nothing at 125.

I could see 150-155.......which would be meeting expectations. Sick, just sick.
 
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We were 141.5 last year. We should get more at heavy and with Sugar and whatever we get at 149.......which will be offset by the loss of Zain. I say that is a wash. We will score at 133. My bet is nothing at 125.

I could see 150-155.......which would be meeting expectations. Sick, just sick.

Totally agree and we shouldn’t have to worry about anyone else running us down on the backside as a strong challenger IMO
 
The ultra optimist says 12, 4, 3, 3, 1,1,1,1,1,1: 161.5, with no bonus.
The ultra pessimist says 33, 8, 5, 5, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 3: 127, with no bonus.

8.5 bonus? No problem.
43 bonus? No way.

I think we need to be 33, 3, 3, 3, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 3 to have a shot with the 24 bonus that would be required. Two years ago, we were on the order of 28 bonus, last year in the teens, if I recall correctly.

Your bottom line at a 146 + 24 almost seems doable except for the 3rds at 133 and 149. Shak topping Martin would be a tall order too.

Whether we threaten the 170 or not, many of our preseason questions have been answered and I'm really excited for the season.

285 - Will NN be healthy and can Cassar compete at hwt? yes and yes

184 - Can Shak handle the cut? yes

125/133/149 - Will our Fr step up? ... ?/yes/?

4 out of 6 ain't bad.
 
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Last year was an aberration in terms of low bonus team-wide. Iowa actually out-bonused us as a team. I fully expect the whole team to kick it up a notch and deliver a more PSU 'typical' tournament leading bonus average.

That said 170 is probably out of reach. It would take a 2017 like perfect storm to do so, something like Lee taking out Mckenna and Shak taking out MyMar type of performance. Not to mention the rest of our favorites.
 
The Bonus Point POTENTIAL for the 2019 Wrestling Championships in Pittsburgh, IN THEORY, is a better-known aspect than ever before. Bear with me...

As every wrestler will be seeded for the first time, top-ranked guys will get the 32nd/33rd seeded wrestler instead of a random draw where they could get any of the unseeded guys. No. 2 seed gets no. 31, no. 3 gets no. 30, etc.

There are no guarantees, though on paper, the higher seeds, on average, will be MORE FAVORED than ever before in the first round, and more likely to score higher bonus points. After that, assuming the seeds hold, it works out pretty much the same, except that a 16 vs 17, or 15 vs 18, or 14 vs 19 upset in round 1 is more likely, so again, top guys could wrestle a lower seed.

PSU will have lots of highly seeded guys...so benefit PSU.
 
Assuming the present lineup and no injuries, and using rough numbers that assume oodles of bonus, I think you can probably bank 85-95 from Nolf, Cenzo, Hall, and Bo.

So the question becomes whether you can get 75-85 from Cassar, Shak, Berge, Lee, and RBY.

I think you'd need at least two of those guys to make the finals. Cassar seems more than possible, Shak a definite contender. If both make it, there's another 35-40, so now you're in 125-135 territory.

Making the question whether you can get another 30-35 from Lee, Berge, and RBY. I imagine those guys are going to have decent seeds, enough to at least to reach the quarters. If each of them finishes, say, fourth (I'd say Lee has the best shot at that, then Berge, then RBY given how tough 133 is), there's maybe 11.5 points apiece, so 30-35 total.

Those (admittedly optimistic but not crazy) scenarios give you a range between 155-170, and even the estimates on the low side assume a great tournament. But anything between those ranges wouldn't surprise me. The biggest question marks to reaching 170, I think, are with Shak, who seems sure to AA but 170 would necessitate him going deeper, RBY, who is yet to wrestle serious competition, and Berge, who, though definitely a gamer, wrestles with tape on his knee, and also hasn't yet wrestled the top guys at the weight.

I feel confident about the seniors, then Cenzo and Hall, then Cassar, who, besides looking great, benefits from a cleared-out weight class. Lee would only have to wrestle to present ranking to meet my model, but seems capable of more.

And before someone says that this is why we need to pull Teske's shirt, I feel certain that getting to 170 isn't something the coaches care about at all, and definitely not if giving Teske time to develop is the reason he's not already wrestling.
 
Assuming the present lineup and no injuries, and using rough numbers that assume oodles of bonus, I think you can probably bank 85-95 from Nolf, Cenzo, Hall, and Bo.

So the question becomes whether you can get 75-85 from Cassar, Shak, Berge, Lee, and RBY.

I think you'd need at least two of those guys to make the finals. Cassar seems more than possible, Shak a definite contender. If both make it, there's another 35-40, so now you're in 125-135 territory.

Making the question whether you can get another 30-35 from Lee, Berge, and RBY. I imagine those guys are going to have decent seeds, enough to at least to reach the quarters. If each of them finishes, say, fourth (I'd say Lee has the best shot at that, then Berge, then RBY given how tough 133 is), there's maybe 11.5 points apiece, so 30-35 total.

Those (admittedly optimistic but not crazy) scenarios give you a range between 155-170, and even the estimates on the low side assume a great tournament. But anything between those ranges wouldn't surprise me. The biggest question marks to reaching 170, I think, are with Shak, who seems sure to AA but 170 would necessitate him going deeper, RBY, who is yet to wrestle serious competition, and Berge, who, though definitely a gamer, wrestles with tape on his knee, and also hasn't yet wrestled the top guys at the weight.

I feel confident about the seniors, then Cenzo and Hall, then Cassar, who, besides looking great, benefits from a cleared-out weight class. Lee would only have to wrestle to present ranking to meet my model, but seems capable of more.

And before someone says that this is why we need to pull Teske's shirt, I feel certain that getting to 170 isn't something the coaches care about at all, and definitely not if giving Teske time to develop is the reason he's not already wrestling.
I think a decent seed for RBY isn't a forgone conclusion, either. It's looking like the majority of the ranked kids he'll face are of the variety that he might lose (Daton at Scuffle, Micic at the dual, NS at B1Gs). I totally believe he can beat Lizak and Desanto, but those others are goin' be tough. If only our guys could peak in March for once.... ;-)
 
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Assuming the present lineup and no injuries, and using rough numbers that assume oodles of bonus, I think you can probably bank 85-95 from Nolf, Cenzo, Hall, and Bo.

So the question becomes whether you can get 75-85 from Cassar, Shak, Berge, Lee, and RBY.

I think you'd need at least two of those guys to make the finals. Cassar seems more than possible, Shak a definite contender. If both make it, there's another 35-40, so now you're in 125-135 territory.

Making the question whether you can get another 30-35 from Lee, Berge, and RBY. I imagine those guys are going to have decent seeds, enough to at least to reach the quarters. If each of them finishes, say, fourth (I'd say Lee has the best shot at that, then Berge, then RBY given how tough 133 is), there's maybe 11.5 points apiece, so 30-35 total.

Those (admittedly optimistic but not crazy) scenarios give you a range between 155-170, and even the estimates on the low side assume a great tournament. But anything between those ranges wouldn't surprise me. The biggest question marks to reaching 170, I think, are with Shak, who seems sure to AA but 170 would necessitate him going deeper, RBY, who is yet to wrestle serious competition, and Berge, who, though definitely a gamer, wrestles with tape on his knee, and also hasn't yet wrestled the top guys at the weight.

I feel confident about the seniors, then Cenzo and Hall, then Cassar, who, besides looking great, benefits from a cleared-out weight class. Lee would only have to wrestle to present ranking to meet my model, but seems capable of more.

And before someone says that this is why we need to pull Teske's shirt, I feel certain that getting to 170 isn't something the coaches care about at all, and definitely not if giving Teske time to develop is the reason he's not already wrestling.

Nice breakdown Tikk.

A follow-up on the Bo, Nolf VJ and Hall foursome. Last year they scored a total of 87.5 points, down from a combined 100 points in 2017 ... your upper target of 95 points is certainly within reach.

Some of that was Hall taking 2nd instead of 1st, but for some reason our overall bonus point scoring was down ... even Zain was -3 in bonus points.
 
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Nice breakdown Tikk.

A follow-up on the Bo, Nolf VJ and Hall foursome. Last year they scored a total of 87.5 points, down from a combined 100 points in 2017 ... your upper target of 95 points is certainly within reach.

Some of that was Hall taking 2nd instead of 1st, but for some reason our overall bonus point scoring was down ... even Zain was -3 in bonus points.
Nolf's knee held him back from a few points as well.
 
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One thing I've learned: Not everything always goes right. Believe it or not, I felt like both Ohio State and Penn State left points on the table last year, and nearly every year, everybody will, except for the team with one qualifier who ends up a national champion.
 
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Iowa 1997
8 AAs + 2 round of 12 (That's possible once 125 and 149 get settled)
6 Finalists, 5 Champs ( We already return 4 former Champs)

Before the season I would have said no, but Dec 3, having seen Shak and Cassar at their new weights, plus what RBY can do ... I think maybe.

Still early, many more data points to go, but at the very least this could be the best team, top to bottom, Cael has assembled.
Let the HATERS keep hating Cael and staff love it and see do PSU....As Cael says all the time IGNORE the HATERS it drives them crazy....
 
Spencer Lee had 27 points last year. Hobbled Nolf had 23 and dinged up Joseph had 21. I could see gaining another 4-6 points from Nolf and Joseph this season if they stay healthy.
 
FloBros did a bracketology using current info.
125 DNQ
133 9 seed
141 4 seed
149 15 seed
157 1
165 1
174 2
184 2
197 1
Hwt 2

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6277359-brackastrology-part-deux-the-return-of-brackastrology

They have us at 124 pts w/o bonus
2nd/3rd place they have tO$U and Ok state at 78.5 pts each

Which is why I don;t understand why so many are concerned about 125. Things can change of course, but as of today we don;t need any points at 125, but may need them in the future.
 
Which is why I don;t understand why so many are concerned about 125. Things can change of course, but as of today we don;t need any points at 125, but may need them in the future.

Do you really want to start this again?
 
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