Is it a witch hunt vs Izzo and Dantonio?
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I've seen & heard too many talking heads call one or the other of them "the most powerful man/men" in east Lansing, if not the state.
To be intellectually honest, despite my desire for revenge, I have to recognize this as the media setting the table for an unfair slaughter.
To be intellectually honest, despite my desire for revenge, I have to recognize this as the media setting the table for an unfair slaughter.
IMO yes. No different than what was done to JVP.
"Is it a witch hunt vs Izzo and Dantonio?"
I should hope so. I would settle for nothing less.
"They're fighting for their own character."
Fortunately, they are young enough and healthy enough to fight. Sadly, Joe was unable to fight for himself. Of course, his university not only refused to fight for him, even worse, they put him in the crosshairs and fired the first shot. Unfortunately, few people outside the Penn State community know the facts and see the difference.
I should hope so. I would settle for nothing less.
"They're fighting for their own character."
Fortunately, they are young enough and healthy enough to fight. Sadly, Joe was unable to fight for himself. Of course, his university not only refused to fight for him, even worse, they put him in the crosshairs and fired the first shot. Unfortunately, few people outside the Penn State community know the facts and see the difference.
Let's call it what it was. Our university, aided and abetted by the media, helped to kill the man.
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On DC 106.7 this morning a reporter from East Lansing said Izzo has 23 years at MSU and is only aware of one incident after the fact. Says his 23 years buys him a lot of good karma. Ya.
one "incident". we're not talking about taking a payment from a booster or talking to an agent...
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Agreed. Just illustrating how the local media anywhere outside of State College acts towards its local big time university.
a little different. The GJP fueled the outrage, as well as Joe's referenced testimony. Joe was too old and sick to remember or defend himself.
I read a post yesterday where someone referred to Joe as the conscious of College Football over his tenure at Penn State. How true. It galls me to the bone that given all Joe stood for and the moral manner in which he ran his program, that he was never given the benefit of the doubt by the media, the BOT, and every day individuals. He was a victim of innuendo and undermining by people who enjoy seeing a good reputation tainted. Too many people get their jollies out of seeing accomplished people get knocked down. Joe’s was, and still is, a witch hunt. The misinformation and belief by many that there was a cover-up at Penn State is a travesty.
IMO Izzo and Dantonio are subject of a similar witch hunt in the sense that people want to label them with guilt before a thorough investigation is performed. They too have done good things and are respected coaches. Time will tell if they were complicit legally or morally in their actions. In any case they deserve to have a voice and to go through the vetting process even if Joe never did.
IMO Izzo and Dantonio are subject of a similar witch hunt in the sense that people want to label them with guilt before a thorough investigation is performed. They too have done good things and are respected coaches. Time will tell if they were complicit legally or morally in their actions. In any case they deserve to have a voice and to go through the vetting process even if Joe never did.
Interesting. Joe was given an admittedly watered down version of one incident by McQueary yet Joe was vilified for it even after 61 years of exemplary service. OTOH, Izzo was made aware of one incident and 23 years buys him good karma. Hmmm.
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....and his reputation. Illness and death would have come, but the man's character and reputation built over many years was attacked and ultimately destroyed, at least in the perception of many.
Unforgiveable on the part of those at the University, and most of the media. You, too, Mark Emmert, Louis Freeh, and Jim Delany.
Would not surprise me if it is. Too bad they are not both in their 80s. The MSU Trustees could just throw them under the bus and be done with it, like ours did.
it is both hilarious and sad watching the cognitive dissonance of the Michigan State supporters who think Joe got what he deserved, but don't want the media to rush to judgment on Izzo and Dantonio
"Is it a witch hunt vs Izzo and Dantonio?"
I should hope so. I would settle for nothing less.
"They're fighting for their own character."
Fortunately, they are young enough and healthy enough to fight. Sadly, Joe was unable to fight for himself. Of course, his university not only refused to fight for him, even worse, they put him in the crosshairs and fired the first shot. Unfortunately, few people outside the Penn State community know the facts and see the difference.
And, I think Joe and his family, in a naive moment, thought that the Institution to which he loyally served, would not allow him to be scapegoated like he was.
Here's my comment to the linked story:
I'm a Penn Stater. For all those commenting here, what was your position on Penn State in 2011-2012? I am sure hearing a lot of talk about due process that I did not hear in 2011-12. At least D'Antonio and Izzo are fairly young men still in their prime. Joe Paterno was 85 and dying when they did this to him. And before you respond keep in mind that no child was raped by Jerry Sandusky on the PSU campus. The indictment alleged that, but the jury found Sandusky "not guilty" on that charge. Also keep in mind that the victims at PSU were not PSU students.
I do not know what the answer for these coaches is. I do know that if you supported the dismissal of Joe Paterno, you are going to have to cut it pretty fine here.
I'm a Penn Stater. For all those commenting here, what was your position on Penn State in 2011-2012? I am sure hearing a lot of talk about due process that I did not hear in 2011-12. At least D'Antonio and Izzo are fairly young men still in their prime. Joe Paterno was 85 and dying when they did this to him. And before you respond keep in mind that no child was raped by Jerry Sandusky on the PSU campus. The indictment alleged that, but the jury found Sandusky "not guilty" on that charge. Also keep in mind that the victims at PSU were not PSU students.
I do not know what the answer for these coaches is. I do know that if you supported the dismissal of Joe Paterno, you are going to have to cut it pretty fine here.
To be fair to most of the general public, the initial grand jury presentment sealed the deal for Joe. Not many cared to dig deeper, why wouldn't you trust something prepared by the AG? Probably the bigger lesson here is don't hold strident views on a complex issue that you haven't spent a ton of time researching.
A very good lesson in all of this...
I watched his press conference where Dantonio forcefully said "I've done nothing wrong."
Now imagine a world where you replace Paterno's "I wish I had done more" with "I've done nothing wrong." Everyone in the world took Joe's statement as a guilty plea. The scumbag prosecutor Fin@ (he with the thousands of misogynist, racist, pornographic emails while working for the state) said that Joe did nothing wrong. Joe didn't see anything, had nothing to do with it other than sending it on up the line. It didn't matter.
Don't apologize! It's just taken as a sign of weakness. Deny, deflect, defend. Innocent or guilty.
I watched his press conference where Dantonio forcefully said "I've done nothing wrong."
Now imagine a world where you replace Paterno's "I wish I had done more" with "I've done nothing wrong." Everyone in the world took Joe's statement as a guilty plea. The scumbag prosecutor Fin@ (he with the thousands of misogynist, racist, pornographic emails while working for the state) said that Joe did nothing wrong. Joe didn't see anything, had nothing to do with it other than sending it on up the line. It didn't matter.
Don't apologize! It's just taken as a sign of weakness. Deny, deflect, defend. Innocent or guilty.
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From what I have read about this stuff, it seems like these two should not be taking much heat. It certainly doesn’t feel like a witch hunt, but it could get to that point.
Ah, but some of these same folks (at MSU) are saying we should not believe the OTL piece. Why not? Surely they do not think that waiting might give us a better understanding, right? That cannot be true.
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Yeah, what I get out of his response is that his first thought really was about the kids that were molested. Gosh, those poor kids....I wish I had done more.
And it got twisted and used against him.....wow.
Why would Joe saying "I've done nothing wrong" have been lying? What did he do wrong?
Contrast this with Narduzzi's statement this morning that he knows nothing since this happened "at another university." Narduzzi was at MSU in a leadership position for 8 years while this was going on. He is doing all he can to distance himself from the situation. The truth will come out soon and Narduzzi in all likelihood will be fired and never heard from again.
I don't know who that Marty guy is but he sure seems to me a moron.
And an asshat like Dan Dakich, an ESPN employee, correct?, says that JVP had the "BOT in his back pocket." Really....I didnt know someone could be this stupid...
I do wonder...John Skipper President of ESPN stepped down month ago ( substance abuse)..if he was still President...they are looking for his replacement...would there have been some pause about releasing this story...?
I've heard they not only covered for Nassar, but were sometimes in the exam room helping him. Of course t
I read a study about this tactic, where public figures will never admit they were wrong, and it plays better than apologizing. They extended this to cheating on your spouse. It's better to never admit it happened, than to apologize and have it brought up every day for the rest of your life.
I read a study about this tactic, where public figures will never admit they were wrong, and it plays better than apologizing. They extended this to cheating on your spouse. It's better to never admit it happened, than to apologize and have it brought up every day for the rest of your life.
Him being fired, while good for all the victims, would be terrible for us. We want him at Pitt for as long as possible!
Yes, I'm thinking about the victims. A statement needs to be made so that enablers like Narduzzi are deterred from future horrendous acts.
Yea but its the part no one listens to or watches. LOL. Think of it as internet purgatory.
ESPN --- at the very least, they were opportunistic here. This story (which is at best 10% new stuff and 90% old stuff regurgitated) drops literally within 24 hours of the Nassar verdict?
That's one HELL of a coincidence.
That's one HELL of a coincidence.
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Sorry - what I meant was Dantonio is full of sh*t when he says he did nothing wrong - of course he did, he's just not going to ever admit it (again, we've seen how that works out); Joe wasn't the kind of guy to lie - so when he said he wished he did more, he meant it.
NO.
Did MSU notify the police when a student told them she was sexually assaulted by a MSU assistant bball coach and two players? I read somewhere the players were recruits at the time. Were they even legal age? Is it common for MSU coaches to have group sex with recruits?
If espn left out the 90% old news and focused on the 10% new info, the new info would be 100%. The facts would not change.
The new info is a bball coach was charged with assault. He went JOe Mixon on a girl and continued to coach. A month later the same coach and two recruits/players were then accused of sexually assaulting a student. Were the recruits minors? Do you need MORE? This is a BIG story. Did MSU notify the police? I doubt it since nobody at MSU even knew about this story.
Did MSU notify the police when a student told them she was sexually assaulted by a MSU assistant bball coach and two players? I read somewhere the players were recruits at the time. Were they even legal age? Is it common for MSU coaches to have group sex with recruits?
If espn left out the 90% old news and focused on the 10% new info, the new info would be 100%. The facts would not change.
The new info is a bball coach was charged with assault. He went JOe Mixon on a girl and continued to coach. A month later the same coach and two recruits/players were then accused of sexually assaulting a student. Were the recruits minors? Do you need MORE? This is a BIG story. Did MSU notify the police? I doubt it since nobody at MSU even knew about this story.
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After just listening to John Fienstein's (on CBS radio) take on this, as regards Izzo, I question if there will be a witch hunt. He was falling all over himself praising Izzo as the answer to correcting all that is wrong in college sports. This coming from the same guy that absolutely excoriated Joe Paterno and still does at almost every opportunity. I've always liked Izzo and don't know if he is at all culpable, but the double standard here is mind blowing. This story will fade away relatively quickly and MSU will come away largely unscathed. Count on it.
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