Is it the fault of Rhule, or his players, that they have blown a 25 point lead? And lost.
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In case you haven’t heard, Rhule is like 10 times better than Franklin so it has to be the players.
I thought we were gonna fire Franklin and hire Rhule because he's way better?? I'm sooo confused now!!!
Duh, CJF’s fault Baylor falling apart.
Finally someone realizes the real problem at Baylor.
Rhule’s attire is terrible. Is he trying to be next New England coach?
Give the Sooners credit...down 25 on the road, without their top NFL prospect, gifting Baylor 21 points on turnovers and still finding a way to win. Baylor choked but OU's grit had a lot to do with that.
I'll give them a ton of credit. Riley is as great coach and the QB is good.
The clock struck Midnight for Cinderella teams Baylor and Minnesota.
One thing that stood out in that game is that in the 2nd half OU's RBs and WRs made a lot of yardage after first contact. They also made the 3rd and 4th down plays and Baylor did not. Hurts even fumbled another TD away in the 2nd half and they still came all the way back to win. The OU offense was just too much for Baylor. One of the biggest plays of the game was at the end of the first half when the refs decided that Baylor held instead of interfered on the tipped ball. At first, they waived off the penalty and then decided it was holding to give OU the first down. OU went in to score to make it a little more respectable and gain some momentum.
If you apply the time honored rationale from the BPD fans on this site....can there be any doubt? Players are only pawns who cannot impact a game without "being placed in the proper position" to make winning plays. Not only should the entire staff be fired (blowing a 25 point lead) but perhaps shot by firing squad in full view of the team bus.
If Rhule did that here, he would never live it down. Might as well off him.
I was impressed with the OU receivers. And I think a couple of them are freshmen. Physical, went after the ball, ran well after the catch. Hamler is a completely different type of player and I love what he brings. But we don't have one WR who has shown anything close to what those OU WRs showed in Lamb's absence.
The thing is, that if you are going to criticize a coach/team for blowing a big lead, you hav3 to also give them credit for getting that big lead. In the end, OU was favored to win, and they did.
This game is perfect example of two teams having similar first team strength, but one team lacking depth. Baylor's first team got tired in the second half and their backups weren't good enough to hang with a team as loaded as Oklahoma.
As well as the tendency teams that are "young" in the ways of winning can lose their edge when they gain a big lead. Halftime can be a real hurdle in these circumstances.
Wonder when the last time a coach managed to save his job by trying to explain to an AD that he would have won more games if his players played better.
I think this is the biggest reason Baylor implodes in the second half of the game.
2018 recruiting class OK-9. Baylor-29
2017 recruiting class OK-6 Baylor-36
2016 recruiting class OK-19 Baylor-20
2015 recruiting class OK-15 Baylor-36
I think that there is a profound disparity in all around talent and more importantly depth. Matt Rhule cannot platoon players in and out of the game because of the drop off in talent. No, not exactly a David and Goliath scenario, but more like a Light Heavy Weight champion fighting a ranked Heavy Weight in a 15 round fight. The bigger stronger fighter will eventually wear down the lighter fighter and that’s what happened yesterday, Oklahoma wore down Baylor.
2018 recruiting class OK-9. Baylor-29
2017 recruiting class OK-6 Baylor-36
2016 recruiting class OK-19 Baylor-20
2015 recruiting class OK-15 Baylor-36
I think that there is a profound disparity in all around talent and more importantly depth. Matt Rhule cannot platoon players in and out of the game because of the drop off in talent. No, not exactly a David and Goliath scenario, but more like a Light Heavy Weight champion fighting a ranked Heavy Weight in a 15 round fight. The bigger stronger fighter will eventually wear down the lighter fighter and that’s what happened yesterday, Oklahoma wore down Baylor.
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No, that is not possible. I know from comments about our games on this board, it is never what the other team does well that determines victory or defeat. It is always what we did wrong, and so I applied the same standard here. Aside from a few Ohio State games, the other teams have never beaten Penn State. We have always beaten ourselves.
By BWI rules Rhule should no longer have the rule of the Baylor program
Yeah, apparently Rhule knew how to coach for half the game then forgot.
Baylor was ahead 28-3 and lost 34-31 at home. The Oklahoma coaching staff made half time adjustments and shut out Baylor the second half. Oklahoma rallying from a 25 point deficit is its largest come back in history And you want to know whether this was because of the Baylor players or Rhule? That was a total meltdown and it is squarely on the shoulders of PPB’s hero, Matt Rhule. That anyone would try to make excuses for Rhule for that debacle is incomprehensible.
Bullfeathers. Baylor was ahead by 28-3 and lost 34-31 at home. So sick and tired of reading the Matt Rhule sycophants extolling his coaching “genius” while ripping Franklin even after PSU wins. I don’t want to read excuses for a coach who blew a 25 point lead and was embarrassingly out coached in the second half.
I think people would be shocked at what some of the halftime “adjustments” actually are. I asked a player after a high school game where they made a huge comeback in the second half what the coach said to them at halftime...he said the coach said we’re a better team than they are, quit turning the ball over and we can win this game. I’m quite sure that’s the extent of a lot of halftime adjustments in college....they only have a limited amount of time at halftime, it’s not like they can rewrite the playbook.
Baylor's lack of depth on defense was the primary cause of the meltdown.
I agree with you and in no way am I making excuses. But can you meet me halfway and admit that Oklahoma has profoundly more depth and better all around talent. Until that gap is narrowed Rhule and Baylor will be punching up at bigger and stronger opponents.
The OU offensive firepower just overwhlemed Baylor in the 2nd half.
I don't know, giving up a double digit lead in the 2nd half might make Rhule the best candidate for a future PSU head coaching gig.
Oklahoma made good half-time adjustments, especially on defense. Baylor's offense couldn't stay on the field in the second half and that left the defense vulnerable. Baylor probably couldn't match its emotional intensity from the first half, either. But really the team that has been the Top 10 in recruiting rankings the last 3 years and 16th the year before that (16,7,8,5) beat the team that hasn't been any higher than 32nd (58,34,32,33) in the recruiting rankings in the last 4 years. The difference there was 3 points in the final score. PSU's classes in the same time-frame: 21,12,5,11.
If Rhule had that kind of talent to work with I think the outcome's probably different last night. I'm not saying I'd take Rhule over Franklin, just that what he's done this year is a little more impressive. I didn't see Baylor doing anything like this. I felt Penn State had the talent to be in this situation, the main question was QB play.
We found slightly different rankings and you went back to 2015 and omitted 2019, but that's pretty much my take on it. I think Rhule did a heck of a job to have his team in a position where it could have won against a team like that.
For the record, I like Matt Rhule and wish him well. He is a very good coach and I expect success will follow him wherever he might be employed. That said, I would not take him over Franklin and the very suggestion of it seems to me to be the height of folly.
With at least one more win (Rutgers) Franklin will have won 40 games over the past 4 years. Only a handful of coaches have done better. I have no problem with legitimate questioning of his game decisions or coaching hires, but the constant drumbeat of criticism by some on this board, even after wins, is exasperating.
With at least one more win (Rutgers) Franklin will have won 40 games over the past 4 years. Only a handful of coaches have done better. I have no problem with legitimate questioning of his game decisions or coaching hires, but the constant drumbeat of criticism by some on this board, even after wins, is exasperating.
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