https://www.inquirer.com/news/frank-fina-suspension-law-license-spanier-sandusky-20190606.html
And the list just keep on growing...
And the list just keep on growing...
It looks like Fina has a problem
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I want to see Baldwin get stepped on HARD!
Hopefully @wensilver will pipe in about this. She knows more about this situation than anyone I've met.
This is gratifying. I know it's not over but every patriot should be happy today.
Too bad psu isn't paying his legal bills.
I assume the "and a day" has some significance. Anyone know what it might be?
Should be disbarred for his actions.
That’s what I thought but I have no idea. Like maybe a day in legalese equates to eternity. Which in this case would mean that Fina would still not be able to practice law in hell.
Slightly off topic, but this reminds me, is Seth out of jail yet?
I guess all I can say about that is, we have never officially met?
I do thank you however, for helping getting that creeper off my back that was here, on Twitter, and Facebook trying to get me to stop telling the truth about all this for over 4 years.
Oh, I do...reinstatements to practice law are not automatic for suspensions of more than one year, so he'll have to petition the disciplinary board to resume his practice.
How many of Fina's former Porngate communicants are on the list of PA Supreme Court Justices who will hear his case?
Unless he was paroled, which I found no evidence of, he's still in jail. His release date is scheduled to be end of Oct/beginning of Nov., 2021
I think those named are no longer on the bench. Several women serve as SC justices so don't think they were Frankie's porn pals. One guy there is the brother of this guy:
https://billypenn.com/2019/01/31/whos-johnny-doc-and-why-should-i-care-that-he-got-indicted/
The only two Justices directly implicated in PornGate were Seamus McCaffery and Michael Eakin. McCaffery resigned from the Supreme Court, I believe pretty early in the process. Eakin fought the accusations, but was eventually suspended by the Judicial Conduct Board, and also resigned.
Max Baer and Kevin Dougherty were also implicated later in the process. Baer, while on the Supreme Court, received 10 e-mails from McCaffery that were deemed inappropriate. Dougherty, while serving on Family Court in Philadelphia, received 3 e-mails from McCaffery that were deemed inappropriate.
Baer was elected to the Supreme Court in 2003. He won a retention election to the Supreme Court in 2013. (For those outside of PA, state judges face retention elections every 10 years. It's basically a vote on whether ABC judge should be retained for 10 more years, or should not continue as a judge.) He would have been age limited after 2017, but in 2016 PA passed a constitutional amendment that raised the retirement age for judges to 75. As such, he had another retention election in 2017, which he won. He's now slated to serve until 2022, when he'll reach retirement age.
Kevin Dougherty was elected to the Supreme Court in the 2015 election (taking a seat on the bench in Jan. 2016), and will not face a retention election until 2025. He ran into some problems in the past year, when his brother, a powerful labor leader in the Philadelphia area, was indicted by the Feds. Included in the indictment was a claim that Justice Dougherty received some free services (snow removal, and something else -- I forget what it was). There is some question as to whether the services were provided at the behest of his indicted brother, and the Justice was unaware of them, or whether he was in some way aware/involved in the process, but he was not part of the indictment.
Did Baldwin ever get punished by the bar for disclosing the communications, if so, what was her punishment?
Just so I am clear - the Fina "suspension" is what was recommended, but it's not been confirmed.
Wait, they got implicated for receiving emails? That doesn't seem fair. I can't control what someone else sends to me. McCaffery should get all of the blame in this situation.
I'll defer to others on the specifics with regards to Justices Baer and Dougherty. It's been a few years since I looked into the details.
The "I only received" defense was used by a few of the individuals involved in PornGate, and also seemed to be a factor in how they were treated and/or disciplined by review boards, and work agencies. Those that originated the e-mails seemed to suffer the most. Those that forwarded on the e-mails they received were hit on a lesser level. Those that did nothing other than receive the e-mails seemed not to be penalized, at least to the extent that was publicly released (and that I recall).
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FINA - YOUR OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!!!
Man do I miss this guy...
So once again we find out that this prosecution stretched the rules of criminal law way past the breaking point.
Surprise surprise, you're not allowed to charge someone under a law that was enacted AFTER the crime took place.
And lo and behold, you are NOT allowed to summon someone to testify before a grand jury AFTER you have secretly pressured their counsel to turn into an informant against them.
The big question that remains is -- where was Pennsylvania's appellate court system, which is supposed to make sure the rules are followed? As I understand it, appellate court judges are actually SWORN to observe and defend the state and federal constitutions. Where were those appellate court judges when these cases were appealed? Were they too busy passing around porn (with Fina?) to actually read the briefs?
Whether Spanier was just a blithering idiot or a pedophile-enabling criminal was a question that the criminal justice system was set up to decide -- but the criminal justice system failed in every conceivable way.
If these lawless cowboy prosecutors were the same ones who handled the Sandusky trial, then Sandusky's conviction ought to get a closer look as well. I don't think Sandusky is innocent but maybe he should be tried again by judges and prosecutors who actually care about the rule of law.
This whole set of cases is just a giant pile of legal turds. Every lawyer in Pennsylvania ought to be outraged because this makes Pennsylvania look like some legal s--thole like Mississippi or something. This state's legal system is an absolute disgrace.
Surprise surprise, you're not allowed to charge someone under a law that was enacted AFTER the crime took place.
And lo and behold, you are NOT allowed to summon someone to testify before a grand jury AFTER you have secretly pressured their counsel to turn into an informant against them.
The big question that remains is -- where was Pennsylvania's appellate court system, which is supposed to make sure the rules are followed? As I understand it, appellate court judges are actually SWORN to observe and defend the state and federal constitutions. Where were those appellate court judges when these cases were appealed? Were they too busy passing around porn (with Fina?) to actually read the briefs?
Whether Spanier was just a blithering idiot or a pedophile-enabling criminal was a question that the criminal justice system was set up to decide -- but the criminal justice system failed in every conceivable way.
If these lawless cowboy prosecutors were the same ones who handled the Sandusky trial, then Sandusky's conviction ought to get a closer look as well. I don't think Sandusky is innocent but maybe he should be tried again by judges and prosecutors who actually care about the rule of law.
This whole set of cases is just a giant pile of legal turds. Every lawyer in Pennsylvania ought to be outraged because this makes Pennsylvania look like some legal s--thole like Mississippi or something. This state's legal system is an absolute disgrace.
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You made some excellent points @tboyer regarding how the OAG didn’t play fair. A couple of other examples of their prosecutorial misconduct include illegally leaking grand jury material so they could cement their false narratives as early as possible, producing a knowingly false grand jury presentment that MM witnessed an anal rape, withholding exculpatory information (Brady violations) such as McQueary’s email to Eshbach that she was twisting his words, and using suggestive interviewing techniques that included false information concerning other accusations and then lying about it (Leiter and Rossman’s interview of v4). This is a clear case of political corruption and the culprits should have to answer for their transgressions.
All good points.
And if Sandusky did not engage in the inexcusable act of repeatedly showering alone with boys and having physical contact with them, none of it would have happened.
I don’t disagree that Sandusky showering, having physical contact, and one-on-one unsupervised contact with at risk minors is inappropriate, a terrible idea, and extremely risky. He put himself in that situation and he is now suffering the consequences. I do question whether it was illegal and it certainly doesn’t merit a virtual life sentence. In the face of serial acts of prosecutorial misconduct, a patently unfair trial, and very limited weak evidence that any molestation ever occurred, it will probably go down as one of the biggest injustices of all time.
Franco, I made my last post just as a reminder that the whole thing was not made up out of nowhere. Would Corbett have found another way to go to war with Spanier? Probably. But Sandusky handed him the opportunity on a silver platter with his actions that could have been taken directly from a Pedophilia For Dummies book.
I am glad you see Corbett as an antagonist. Sandusky was stupid, foolish, naive, and not very smart. I just don’t think he is a criminal.
I guess all I can say about that is, we have never officially met?
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- Born in 1864/65, Elizabeth, one of 15 children, was always ‘the rebellious one’. Fierce as f*ck from an early age, she testified against her abusive stepfather in her mother’s divorce trial.
- In 1880 she enrolled in a teacher-training college but had to leave after her first semester due to lack of funding – then moved to Pittsburgh to help run a godd@mn boarding school.
- This is where we get to the good shit. Age 18, she wrote a letter-to-the-editor of the Pittsburgh Dispatch b!tchslapping the everloving f^ck out of a sexist ballsack of an article entitled ‘What Girls Are Good For’.
- The editor was so godd@mn wooed by her razor-sharp tongue that he RAN AN AD asking her to identify herself. Elizabeth owned up, and was hired instantaneously, her badassery radiating from her pores and intoxicating all within a twenty mile radius.
- Working under the pen-name Nellie Bly, Elizabeth kicked the butts of morons everywhere, writing articles aimed at social justice, particularly labour laws to protect working ‘girls’ and reform of Pennsylvania’s divorce law, which greatly favoured men.
- Not content with changing the world from behind her desk, Elizabeth became a founding mother of investigative journalism. She was expelled from Mexico for exposing political corruption, and henceforth wrapped in cotton wool by her editors. Infuriated by their mollycoddling, Lizzie left them a note essentially telling them to f^ck themselves and hot footed it to NYC. She was still only 23.
- Within six months she was hired by Joseph f^cking Pulitzer himself, and continued her batshit crazy investigations uninhibited. Her very first assingment had her feigning mental illness to expose repulsive conditions in Blackwell’s Island Insane Asylum. Her cutting report was so f^cking horrifying, compelling and persuasive that it triggered public and political action, leading to reform of the institution.
- In the next couple of years she had herself thrown in jail and hired by a sweatshop, all for shits and giggles. Oh, and to uncover incomprehensible injustice, cruelty, poverty, and the concealed, heinous treatment of the vulnerable and voiceless.
- But was pioneering journalism, social revolution and batshit badassery enough for our Liz? Like f^ck it was. On a whim Nellie did what any self-respecting 25 year old woman in the 1800s would do – she emulated Jules Verne’s Around the World in Eighty Days, and did it in 72.
- Millions followed her journey, and its appeal to a semi-literate populace resulted in greatly increased newspaper readership. So while travelling the entire globe (IN THE 1800s, AS A WOMAN) by ship, train, burro and balloon, she helped the world to read.
- Having essentially conquered the entire godd@mn universe before hitting 30, Nellie retired, and wed 72 year old industrialist Robert Seaman. Their marriage was a happy one, and after his death she took over Iron Clad Manufacturing Co.
- But Lizzie was a writer, what would she know about the metal industry? Well, she INVENTED the steel barrel that became the model for the widely used 55-gallon drum and turned her inherited businesses into multimillion-dollar companies, so apparently a f^ck ton.
- Furthermore, she set a precedent for working conditions, ensuring her workers had good pay, gymnasiums, staffed libraries, and health care, all completely unheard of at the time, while still writing to further the plight of the Suffragette movement.
- Nellie may have died age 58 of pneumonia, but HBICs live on forever.
If I am reading this right (and I may not be), then Fina May lose his license for a year because had he acted appropriately Spanier, Curley and Schultz would have been subject to even more charges. Sorry, but that is a hollow victory. I would also remind you that, creepy and unethical as he may be, Fina also spoke out in favor of JoePa in this whole debacle.
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