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They're wounded from a tough loss.....We kicked some @ss
They got injuries.....we got injuries
They got ?......We got ?s
They have stud Fr on the bench.....we have same
They relax with chainsaws........we play clash of clans
Its their house.....we are good on the road

I got this...
GMan by Dec 0-3
CC by Dec (over Cortez) 0-6
ChisTOPHER by Dec 0-9
ZPain by MDec 4-9
Nolf by MDec 8-9
Cenzo by MDec 12-9
Meyer by Dec 12-12
Bo by Dec 15-12
Cutch by Dec 18-12
Nevills by Dec 21-12

We win and continue the march to St. Louis!
Malone lets throw another log on the fire and stoke this sucker up!
 
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dunkej01 said:
Their wounded from a tough loss.....We kicked some @ss
They got injuries.....we got injuries
They got ?......We got ?s
They have stud Fr on the bench.....we have same
They relax with chainsaws........we play clash of clans
Its their house.....we are good on the road

I got this...
GMan by Dec 0-3
CC by Dec (over Cortez) 0-6
ChisTOPHER by Dec 0-9
ZPain by MDec 4-9
Nolf by MDec 8-9
Cenzo by MDec 12-9
Meyer by Dec 12-12
Bo by Dec 15-12
Cutch by Dec 18-12
Nevills by Dec 21-12

We win and continue the march to St. Louis!
Malone lets throw another log on the fire and stoke this sucker up!
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Did you pick up a pair of black and gold glasses over the weekend? I really think that is Iowa's best, best case scenario, alongside our worst best case scenario. I think we score more than 3 bonus points, and might win everything but 25 and 33.
 
125: Gilman dec Suriano 0-3 - Good enough to keep it close but can't see an upset in Carver
133: Clark tf Carp 0-8
141: Gulibon dec Carton 3-8 - think this is a good matchup for Jimmy
149: Retherford dec Sorenson 6-8 - Doubt Sorenson opens up like NCAAs
157: Nolf dec Kemerer 9-8 - Kemerer good enough to keep it to dec; should be a fun match
165: Joseph tf St. John 14-8
174: Meyer dec Morelli 14-11 - could go the other way but I'll take Meyer at home
184: Nickal dec Brooks 17-11 - really want to predict a fall but I think Brooks knows he can't go upperbody
197: Cutch dec Wilcke 20-11 - close match, could go the other way
285: Nevills dec Stoll 23-11 - Push to line, shove out of bounds and look for stall won't work.
 
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125: Gilman dec Suriano 0-3 - Good enough to keep it close but can't see an upset in Carver
133: Clark tf Carp 0-8
141: Gulibon dec Carton 3-8 - think this is a good matchup for Jimmy
149: Retherford dec Sorenson 6-8 - Doubt Sorenson opens up like NCAAs
157: Nolf dec Kemerer 9-8 - Kemerer good enough to keep it to dec; should be a fun match
165: Joseph tf St. John 14-8
174: Meyer dec Morelli 14-11 - could go the other way but I'll take Meyer at home
184: Nickal dec Brooks 17-11 - really want to predict a fall but I think Brooks knows he can't go upperbody
197: Cutch dec Wilcke 20-11 - close match, could go the other way
285: Nevills dec Stoll 23-11 - Push to line, shove out of bounds and look for stall won't work.
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Pretty much how I see it with one exception. Kem would have to put on his track shoes early to hold Nolf to a decision. Nolf will wipe the mat with him and toss him in trash can on his way to the locker room. Kem is a very tough kid, but Nolf is a monster. Nolf better in every position by a wide margin. Stronger,quicker,better skills,bigger tank. Where do you see Kem having an edge besides perhaps running for his life?
 
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Nolf is going to thump Kemmerer. That's a major. Watched him and Joe Smith yesterday with an eye for Nolf. Jason is a different animal than those kids. Retherford will not be in a barn burner with Sorenson. Jimmy is good for the dub. Suriano has a legit shot whether this was at Rec Hall, Carver or on the short grass of the croquet court at the LMRC....
 
I absolutely LOVE Suriano! But first match in Carver Arena against a 5th year senior ranked #1 in the country? No. Unfortunately I think he will come up short but will learn lots and lots from this match and be much better prepared at Big Tens. Nico went through this exact progression his freshman year and ended up in the National finals. Suriano could do the same.
 
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125lbs - Gilman DEC Suriano. 0-3 (I like Gilman's style of wrestling but his personality is pure dog shit).

133lbs - Clark FALL Carpenter (Maj. Dec Cortez if he goes) - 0-9

141lbs - Carton DEC Jimmy (Carton is a BIG 141lber and I think he horses Jimmy) 0-12

149lbs - Zain MDEC Sorenson (I thought Zain would tech or pin him earlier this season but I'm tempering my expectations) 4-12

157lbs - Nolf TECH KemDawg (Nolf could pin him, but I think this is ugly for Kemmerer and Nolf does what he does to everybody not named IMar) 9-12

165lb - Joseph TECH St. John (This could be a pin, but it's at least a tech) 14-12

174lbs - Morelli DEC Meyer (I just don't think Meyer is very good. He could win here, but I'll take Geno in a close 3-2 or maybe 4-2 with RT) 17-12

184lbs - Nickal MDEC Brooks (Yeah, Brooks is good but I think it's clear that Bo and Dean are on a different level than the rest of the guys. Nickal imposes his will on guys, even if they want to turtle up) 21-12

197lbs - Mouse DEC Wilcke (Mouse is still a small 197lber and his matches are going to be close with pretty much everyone at this weight) 24-12

HWT - Nevills DEC Stoll (Depending on how healthy Stoll is this could be a MDEC. If Stoll doesn't go it's definitely a MDEC) 27-12

I think the Hawks come out strong and win the first three, but after that it's going to be hard to find a win for them.
 
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125lbs - Gilman DEC Suriano. 0-3 (I like Gilman's style of wrestling but his personality is pure dog shit).

133lbs - Clark FALL Carpenter (Maj. Dec Cortez if he goes) - 0-9

141lbs - Carton DEC Jimmy (Carton is a BIG 141lber and I think he horses Jimmy) 0-12

149lbs - Zain MDEC Sorenson (I thought Zain would tech or pin him earlier this season but I'm tempering my expectations) 4-12

157lbs - Nolf TECH KemDawg (Nolf could pin him, but I think this is ugly for Kemmerer and Nolf does what he does to everybody not named IMar) 9-12

165lb - Joseph TECH St. John (This could be a pin, but it's at least a tech) 14-12

174lbs - Morelli DEC Meyer (I just don't think Meyer is very good. He could win here, but I'll take Geno in a close 3-2 or maybe 4-2 with RT) 17-12

184lbs - Nickal MDEC Brooks (Yeah, Brooks is good but I think it's clear that Bo and Dean are on a different level than the rest of the guys. Nickal imposes his will on guys, even if they want to turtle up) 21-12

197lbs - Mouse DEC Wilcke (Mouse is still a small 197lber and his matches are going to be close with pretty much everyone at this weight) 24-12

HWT - Nevills DEC Stoll (Depending on how healthy Stoll is this could be a MDEC. If Stoll doesn't go it's definitely a MDEC) 27-12

I think the Hawks come out strong and win the first three, but after that it's going to be hard to find a win for them.
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I think this is spot on with one exception. Nolf had his 'how do you do' moment, on the road, against Imar last year. Suriano will do the same to Gilman, on the road.
 
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PSU Mike said:
Iowa newspaper headline predictions?

"Penn State Stalls Their Way To Next To Last Wrestling Finish"
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Black heart yellow shorts or whatever it is...

The lucky PSU wrestling team escaped Iowa City with a tight 24-12 win over the host Hawkeyes. Iowa failed to benefit from that block off and push style they have come to be known for. "Listen- we can't ref the matches- we do our job and push with 2 on 1 ties and underhooks and we simply are not being rewarded." said a clearly frustrated coach Brands after the dual.

Many Iowa faithful stuck around to point out how Cael wasn't able to beat Iowa in the olden days when he was Iowa State. "Back when he was a new coach at ISU we always beat him, and nobody is going to believe he has developed as a coach- it has to be the refs" said rabid supporter MitchL. It was also pointed out by many faithful that Iowa once again trained through this dual.
 
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James P. Whitters III said:
Pretty much how I see it with one exception. Kem would have to put on his track shoes early to hold Nolf to a decision. Nolf will wipe the mat with him and toss him in trash can on his way to the locker room. Kem is a very tough kid, but Nolf is a monster. Nolf better in every position by a wide margin. Stronger,quicker,better skills,bigger tank. Where do you see Kem having an edge besides perhaps running for his life?
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BOOM!
 
dunkej01 said:
Their wounded from a tough loss.....We kicked some @ss
They got injuries.....we got injuries
They got ?......We got ?s
They have stud Fr on the bench.....we have same
They relax with chainsaws........we play clash of clans
Its their house.....we are good on the road

I got this...
GMan by Dec 0-3
CC by Dec (over Cortez) 0-6
ChisTOPHER by Dec 0-9
ZPain by MDec 4-9
Nolf by MDec 8-9
Cenzo by MDec 12-9
Meyer by Dec 12-12
Bo by Dec 15-12
Cutch by Dec 18-12
Nevills by Dec 21-12

We win and continue the march to St. Louis!
Malone lets throw another log on the fire and stoke this sucker up!
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Gilman dec 0-3
Clark md 0-7
Gulibon dec 3-7
Zain mdec 7-7
Nolf mdec 11-7
Cenzo tech 16-7
Morelli dec Meyer 19-7
Bo - really hard call here. I like him to win but I honestly can't tell what it'll be. Gonna go dec and keep it conservative 22-7
Cutch mdec 26-7
Nevills dec 29-7 expecting Stoll to sit

I'll adjust it down a few points because one of my 41/74 calls will be wrong, and there will probably be less bonus in the 49/57 bouts. So I'll say 25-10 TS
 
The key to this match for Iowa is sweeping 125-141 and they likely need at least one or two bonus wins here to give themselves a chance to win it. After the first 3 weights, we are favored in 5 of the last 7 (with potential to bonus in all of them, but likely only 3, maybe 4 at the actual dual), and the other 2 are toss ups (Morelli and Nevills).

If Gulibon pulls out a win over Topher, then I'm not sure how Iowa can win, even if they're up 9-3 after the first 3.
 
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125: Gilman dec Suriano 0-3 - Good enough to keep it close but can't see an upset in Carver
133: Clark tf Carp 0-8
141: Gulibon dec Carton 3-8 - think this is a good matchup for Jimmy
149: Retherford dec Sorenson 6-8 - Doubt Sorenson opens up like NCAAs
157: Nolf dec Kemerer 9-8 - Kemerer good enough to keep it to dec; should be a fun match
165: Joseph tf St. John 14-8
174: Meyer dec Morelli 14-11 - could go the other way but I'll take Meyer at home
184: Nickal dec Brooks 17-11 - really want to predict a fall but I think Brooks knows he can't go upperbody
197: Cutch dec Wilcke 20-11 - close match, could go the other way
285: Nevills dec Stoll 23-11 - Push to line, shove out of bounds and look for stall won't work.
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Agree, only I'll go with:
Clark WBF over Carp (or MD Cortez)
Nolf MD over Kem
 
jrd23psu said:
125lbs - Gilman DEC Suriano. 0-3 (I like Gilman's style of wrestling but his personality is pure dog shit).

133lbs - Clark FALL Carpenter (Maj. Dec Cortez if he goes) - 0-9

141lbs - Carton DEC Jimmy (Carton is a BIG 141lber and I think he horses Jimmy) 0-12

149lbs - Zain MDEC Sorenson (I thought Zain would tech or pin him earlier this season but I'm tempering my expectations) 4-12

157lbs - Nolf TECH KemDawg (Nolf could pin him, but I think this is ugly for Kemmerer and Nolf does what he does to everybody not named IMar) 9-12

165lb - Joseph TECH St. John (This could be a pin, but it's at least a tech) 14-12

174lbs - Morelli DEC Meyer (I just don't think Meyer is very good. He could win here, but I'll take Geno in a close 3-2 or maybe 4-2 with RT) 17-12

184lbs - Nickal MDEC Brooks (Yeah, Brooks is good but I think it's clear that Bo and Dean are on a different level than the rest of the guys. Nickal imposes his will on guys, even if they want to turtle up) 21-12

197lbs - Mouse DEC Wilcke (Mouse is still a small 197lber and his matches are going to be close with pretty much everyone at this weight) 24-12

HWT - Nevills DEC Stoll (Depending on how healthy Stoll is this could be a MDEC. If Stoll doesn't go it's definitely a MDEC) 27-12

I think the Hawks come out strong and win the first three, but after that it's going to be hard to find a win for them.
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Totally agree here. If Cortez can't go, we are down 12-0 after the first 3 matches. Even with Cortez, will be 10-0. Carton is not a good match up for Jimmy. Carton is a big physical 141 pounder. Have no idea how he makes that weight. I'm hoping Jimmy doesn't give up bonus points . I do think we could lose 174 and 197 concerns me as well. Wrestling in a tough environment could make this a very close match. If PSU is able to win one of the first 3 matches, it's definitely over. Suriano must keep his composure vs Gilman. If Gilman gets in his head, bonus points are possible.
 
BruceK-PSU83 said:
No, but is it definite that Stoll will sit? Think the assumption is that Stoll will wrestle until announced otherwise.
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Sorry, should have referenced KidNittany's post right before mine where he said:

> Cutch mdec 26-7
> Nevills dec 29-7 expecting Stoll to sit
 
jrd23psu said:
125lbs - Gilman DEC Suriano. 0-3 (I like Gilman's style of wrestling but his personality is pure dog shit).

133lbs - Clark FALL Carpenter (Maj. Dec Cortez if he goes) - 0-9

141lbs - Carton DEC Jimmy (Carton is a BIG 141lber and I think he horses Jimmy) 0-12

149lbs - Zain MDEC Sorenson (I thought Zain would tech or pin him earlier this season but I'm tempering my expectations) 4-12

157lbs - Nolf TECH KemDawg (Nolf could pin him, but I think this is ugly for Kemmerer and Nolf does what he does to everybody not named IMar) 9-12

165lb - Joseph TECH St. John (This could be a pin, but it's at least a tech) 14-12

174lbs - Morelli DEC Meyer (I just don't think Meyer is very good. He could win here, but I'll take Geno in a close 3-2 or maybe 4-2 with RT) 17-12

184lbs - Nickal MDEC Brooks (Yeah, Brooks is good but I think it's clear that Bo and Dean are on a different level than the rest of the guys. Nickal imposes his will on guys, even if they want to turtle up) 21-12

197lbs - Mouse DEC Wilcke (Mouse is still a small 197lber and his matches are going to be close with pretty much everyone at this weight) 24-12

HWT - Nevills DEC Stoll (Depending on how healthy Stoll is this could be a MDEC. If Stoll doesn't go it's definitely a MDEC) 27-12

I think the Hawks come out strong and win the first three, but after that it's going to be hard to find a win for them.
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Totally agree with this assessment. Kemerer is familiar with Nolf from Young Guns...ain't gonna help!!
 
cpn1sgm said:
Totally agree here. If Cortez can't go, we are down 12-0 after the first 3 matches. Even with Cortez, will be 10-0. Carton is not a good match up for Jimmy. Carton is a big physical 141 pounder. Have no idea how he makes that weight. I'm hoping Jimmy doesn't give up bonus points . I do think we could lose 174 and 197 concerns me as well. Wrestling in a tough environment could make this a very close match. If PSU is able to win one of the first 3 matches, it's definitely over. Suriano must keep his composure vs Gilman. If Gilman gets in his head, bonus points are possible.
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Are you basing this Carton theory on keeping a match close with Heil? Jimmy did just beat Thorn on the road who is a couple points better than Carton. I would favor Jimmy to win a close match, but could also lose a close match. The main problem for Iowa is they could lose the final 7 bouts and nobody outside of Iowa City would be surprised. If either Jimmy or Geno win the route is probably on. Iowa takes both of those and PSU still wins fairly comfortably. It would take a shocking upset for Iowa to win this dual. PSU is better.
 
Just something to think about when looking at the 125 pound matchup. At this point in their careers Nick is farther ahead than Nico was. Also, McDonough (pre injury) was a tougher assignment than current version of Gilman.

Thomas Gilman is a more accomplished wrestler than Nick Suriano currently is, and the kid deserves tremendous respect because he is really good and really tough.

With that all said, Nick is one tough ombre himself and if Nick beats Gilmam it isn't going to shock me.
 
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cpn1sgm said:
Totally agree here. If Cortez can't go, we are down 12-0 after the first 3 matches. Even with Cortez, will be 10-0. Carton is not a good match up for Jimmy. Carton is a big physical 141 pounder. Have no idea how he makes that weight. I'm hoping Jimmy doesn't give up bonus points . I do think we could lose 174 and 197 concerns me as well. Wrestling in a tough environment could make this a very close match. If PSU is able to win one of the first 3 matches, it's definitely over. Suriano must keep his composure vs Gilman. If Gilman gets in his head, bonus points are possible.
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Noooooo way! Nick isn't getting majored by anyone. If Gilman gets too chippy he may wake the beast and find himself on his back. Nick is an Italian kid from Jersey!!!
 
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The key to this match for Iowa is sweeping 125-141 and they likely need at least one or two bonus wins here to give themselves a chance to win it. After the first 3 weights, we are favored in 5 of the last 7 (with potential to bonus in all of them, but likely only 3, maybe 4 at the actual dual), and the other 2 are toss ups (Morelli and Nevills).

If Gulibon pulls out a win over Topher, then I'm not sure how Iowa can win, even if they're up 9-3 after the first 3.
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If JG wins, it's Katie grab the wood
If Morelli wins, it's Katie bar the door
 
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GOLDBANGER said:
Totally agree with this assessment. Kemerer is familiar with Nolf from Young Guns...ain't gonna help!!
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Having a short friendly conversation with Jason Nolf outside the wrestling room and you notice Jason smiles easily, is very polite and very friendly.

Have a similar conversation with Jason in the wrestling room and he is still very open to "hey Jason would you mind getting your picture taken with my two grandkids". He is easy to talk with. Heck if he is familiar with you he will initiate conversation. The kid is very social.

However, in that wrestling room he gets a look in his eyes that reeks of a focused intensity. The first time I noticed it, it actually startled me.

Jason and Kemerer are friends and are somewhat familiar with each other. I can not help but believe once they shake hands there will be a deep, raging need for Jason to dominate his friend. I just can not see this match lasting 7 minutes. Jason either sticks him or techs him.
 
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cpn1sgm said:
Totally agree here. If Cortez can't go, we are down 12-0 after the first 3 matches. Even with Cortez, will be 10-0. Carton is not a good match up for Jimmy. Carton is a big physical 141 pounder. Have no idea how he makes that weight. I'm hoping Jimmy doesn't give up bonus points . I do think we could lose 174 and 197 concerns me as well. Wrestling in a tough environment could make this a very close match. If PSU is able to win one of the first 3 matches, it's definitely over. Suriano must keep his composure vs Gilman. If Gilman gets in his head, bonus points are possible.
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Carton is an inflated 133 pounder; not big for the weight. Gulibon has always had problems with tall lanky guys so I'm not sure where you are coming up with this being a bad matchup. JG is way ahead of Carton athletically and should be able to finish based on Carton's short, stout build.
 
I didn't give Carton much of a chance of doing anything at the beginning of the year but he has really impressed me with his effort so far. I think its gonna be a war between him and Guilibon. I just hope Jimmy doesn't get down on himself early as Carton will be on it for 7 minutes.

Go Jimmy!
 
Key for Jimmy, my opinion, is to get the first takedown. Toss-up, again my opinion, like several other key bouts at CHA.

I get the mystique that is CHA. And any "home-cooking" from the refs aside, Cael has done a great job keeping the guys really loose, with the words "grateful for the opportunity", "embrace the moment", and "have fun", among others, to help the guys with their mental game. Personally saw how the guys conducted their business at last year's Big Ten's...just another venue, though we'll see shortly how our wrestlers deal this year.
 
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Totally agree here. If Cortez can't go, we are down 12-0 after the first 3 matches. Even with Cortez, will be 10-0. Carton is not a good match up for Jimmy. Carton is a big physical 141 pounder. Have no idea how he makes that weight. I'm hoping Jimmy doesn't give up bonus points . I do think we could lose 174 and 197 concerns me as well. Wrestling in a tough environment could make this a very close match. If PSU is able to win one of the first 3 matches, it's definitely over. Suriano must keep his composure vs Gilman. If Gilman gets in his head, bonus points are possible.
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There is nothing in Suriano's entire wrestling career that suggests he loses his composure.
 
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James P. Whitters III said:
Pretty much how I see it with one exception. Kem would have to put on his track shoes early to hold Nolf to a decision. Nolf will wipe the mat with him and toss him in trash can on his way to the locker room. Kem is a very tough kid, but Nolf is a monster. Nolf better in every position by a wide margin. Stronger,quicker,better skills,bigger tank. Where do you see Kem having an edge besides perhaps running for his life?
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Now that is an all-time classic post JPWIII... Very amusing, but highly accurate at the same time... I see Kem putting his rollerblades on, and when he does get taken down "turtling up" until Jason (as in "Jason & the Argonauts) simply releases him and then it's back to "runaway, runaway"....

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These guys have been wrestling on national stages their entire life...not sure how an opponent or venue can affect them. I guess a bonus point win for Gilman is in the realm of possible, just don't see it myself.
 
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James P. Whitters III said:
Pretty much how I see it with one exception. Kem would have to put on his track shoes early to hold Nolf to a decision. Nolf will wipe the mat with him and toss him in trash can on his way to the locker room. Kem is a very tough kid, but Nolf is a monster. Nolf better in every position by a wide margin. Stronger,quicker,better skills,bigger tank. Where do you see Kem having an edge besides perhaps running for his life?
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Oh man .... hahaha. Wow.

What makes this post even better is, you're an Iowa St fan. I love it.
 
Franklin_Restores_TheTradition said:
Now that is an all-time classic post JPWIII... Very amusing, but highly accurate at the same time... I see Kem putting his rollerblades on, and when he does get taken down "turtling up" until Jason (as in "Jason & the Argonauts) simply releases him and then it's back to "runaway, runaway"....

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One of, if not thee, best movies of all time. "King of the who?"
 
diggerpup said:
Oh man .... hahaha. Wow.

What makes this post even better is, you're an Iowa St fan. I love it.
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I wrestled at Moo u, keep season tickets, and will always support my program, but a little bit of my fandom left when we quit being competitive for top 5 finishes. I am an official PSU bandwagon fan. I ordered the hat and flag and just said "You can't beat em join em."
 
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How many times do the CHA yell "HE'S STALLLLLING" when Zain is sinking his power half into Sorenson, right before he turns him on his back ?

I wonder if CHA will ever yell "HE'S STALLLLING" in the Nolf / Kemerer match ?
 
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