Glad to keep Ricky Rahne on staff.
Joe Moorhead to coach QBs
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good, on both counts
I expect both Moorhead and Pry to have a major impact on how the staff works and prepares, and CJF to be the CEO-and this will paly to their respective strengths
I expect both Moorhead and Pry to have a major impact on how the staff works and prepares, and CJF to be the CEO-and this will paly to their respective strengths
So what exactly is the advantage to having a coach as "CEO"? I've never understood the use of this terminology.
I think Franklin as CEO is a label that has stuck, for whatever reason- probably because he he does public relations really well. However, I imagine he's involved in coaching, prep, game plans, and overall decision making, as much as any head coach.
Any head coach who isn't also the offensive or defensive coordinator is a "CEO coach". Joe was a CEO coach for as long as I can remember, maybe always. BOB wasn't, as he was his own OC.
Agreed. To me, this is a nice way of saying the head coach can't call plays and sucks on game day.
How many plays did Joe call?
It enables the HC to actually oversee everything. A coach who is play calling or position coaching gets caught up in the moment- it's unavoidable. The HC needs to have an overall perspective, both during the game and overall.
You obviously don't know much about PSU football. Joe had tremendous influence on offensive play calling...sometimes it was offensive.
And I would take Jay or Joe's play calling any day over what we have seen last two years.
Guman off tackle???
It was well known Joe injected his play calling when he though appropriate, more so in his younger years. His impact later years was more stripping down the playbook at the end of the week before we played teams like UM and OSU.
The "CEO coach" isn't new, it's just giving it a title. Joe, Bobby, Bear, none of them ever called plays. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that CJF is in their league, but it's more likely HC does not call plays then it is that he does.
And I would say that Nick Saban is most certainly a CEO type. Don't get me wrong...he is extremely involved but he oversees everything. Lane Kiffin calls the plays and Kirby Smart did so on the defense but Saban had his input.
Joe never wore a headset because he respected his assistant's right to do their job. No chiming in. He didn't like it when he was an assistant (for 15 years) and therefore didn't do it to his. But he reserved the right to take over the controls in certain situations or at certain times. He was the best and we were spoiled. I like the fact that Coach Franklin is in charge and ready to do what he thinks is best. I am also glad he never reads this board. Joe didn't read sports pages in his day during the season. He knew best and if he was wrong, he lived with it and said tough tatas. He wasn't perfect but he at least knew it.
Most of the analysts who visit PSU say Franklin runs the most organized, fast-paced, intense practices in the country. All of the back-biting comments will end once he gets his classes in the upperclasses, instead of what remains from 2 50th ranked recruiting classes during the sanctions nightmare.
I am interested to see how this all plays out and if, at the end of the day, things really worked out for the best (despite the recent turmoil).
Big Ten Network analyst Gerry DiNardo vehemently disagrees with the notion that Penn State's James Franklin is a recruiter first and a football coach second.
"To call James a great recruiter and not talk about his ability to coach is not fair," DiNardo said. "I watch him in practice. He's very involved in every aspect. He's very much involved in the X's and O's. It's unfair for certain people to characterize him as a great recruiter and not potentially a great coach at Penn State because he knows the game."
The Nittany Lions are again inexperienced in key areas and relying on young players up and down the two-deep, so the 2015 season still might not deliver results that match the recruiting hype. Franklin has targeted Year Three in the rebuilding process all along, at which point DiNardo predicts an annual Big Ten East contender could arrive.
"Long term, they're going to be in the hunt almost every year, if not every year, once James Franklin has established himself," DiNardo said. "I think it's fair, when you look at the Big Ten East, you have to give a new coach four or five years to compete for a championship. I think that's where Penn State's headed."
"To call James a great recruiter and not talk about his ability to coach is not fair," DiNardo said. "I watch him in practice. He's very involved in every aspect. He's very much involved in the X's and O's. It's unfair for certain people to characterize him as a great recruiter and not potentially a great coach at Penn State because he knows the game."
The Nittany Lions are again inexperienced in key areas and relying on young players up and down the two-deep, so the 2015 season still might not deliver results that match the recruiting hype. Franklin has targeted Year Three in the rebuilding process all along, at which point DiNardo predicts an annual Big Ten East contender could arrive.
"Long term, they're going to be in the hunt almost every year, if not every year, once James Franklin has established himself," DiNardo said. "I think it's fair, when you look at the Big Ten East, you have to give a new coach four or five years to compete for a championship. I think that's where Penn State's headed."
And I'm not suggesting that CJF doesn't know the game. On the contrary, I think he knows exactly what he is doing. I have no doubt he COULD call the plays, I just don't think that as the head coach that he should.
Navy captains don't steer the ship, they command it.
Navy captains don't steer the ship, they command it.
None of that is surprising. Don't think that having different and/or better coordinators will change that. In the end, PSU will simply be better.
I thought we might lose Rahne as QB coach is the route to OC, not TE coach. Good to keep him on-board for now. I wouldn't be surprised he looks around next year, unless he is going to apprentice under Moorhead for a few years, and then go for OC when Moorhead moves into a HC position.
It was obvious when Joe called the play - it was either up the middle or some crazy triple-reverse.
The assistants are always looking around. Once the AD's starting firing their coaches who had winning records (that means you don't lose more games than you win) these guys know their jobs are year-to-year.. ESPN's desire to stir the pot for ratings and forums like this one are the cause, continually feeding the unrealistic expectations of the fans...
So only coaches with winning records are allowed to opine on college football. I guess we should shut down this forum.
I think the distinction is between influence (planning) and involvement (actual play calling). I can remember Joe going between having engaged discussions with the coordinators and standing far off to the side (often when things weren't going well).
If I understand the 'CEO coach' as labeled here goes between the direct/in the moment and indirect/before or after the moment involvement. And I would say Joe was a CEO coach although there were moments he seemed more engaged and influential than some would like, as well as others when he was silent and off to the side when some would have preferred otherwise.
I guess in the case of Joe Paterno, "CEO" meant - take blame when fans were not happy, but not take credit when fans were happy.
And to further clarify that position, it only relates from the period of late in the season of 1999-2011. Any time prior to that, and any success or failures, are simply not part of the equation in some fan's thoughts.
And to further clarify that position, it only relates from the period of late in the season of 1999-2011. Any time prior to that, and any success or failures, are simply not part of the equation in some fan's thoughts.
I think the idea that the "CEO coach" isn't engaged is a fallacy. He's listening to and talking with both the offensive and defensive staffs constantly. There is more to running a game and a program than the playcalling.
I believe any player or assistant coach will tell you that Joe spent most of his time with the Offense and pretty much left the defense on their own.
To me it doesn't. It means the HC is the one to tell the OC what to do in the tough situations. 3-1 run or take a shot down the field. Same on D 3-7 may tell DC he wants pressure. Or tells him to defend may also call punt block or return. He sits in all 3 meetings. O D ST to help set a game plan.
Love Joe, but probably too many, especially late in his career. He was determined to call a draw on third and long until it finally worked regardless of how long it took.
When asked how his Oklahoma Sooners offense was going to have success against Clemson's defense, Bob Stoops said he was just going to stay out of the way and let his OC Lincoln Riley do his thing. Guess that makes him a CEO coach, too. Probably 4 out of 5 coaches take the same approach.
I have never been a fan of head coaches being play callers. I have always felt it detracts from their view of the bigger picture.
Uh....you serious about that phrase?
Joe used to be VERY VERY involved....in damn near everything
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
DiNardo is a room-temperature-IQ dolt......and he doesn't even try hard
If you've watched the games closely this year, you will see a big difference in Franklin when Penn State is on offense after the Temple debacle. He's got the call sheet gripped in his hand and if he isn't calling the plays himself, which I would bet he was doing for a decently large percentage of the time, he was intimately involved in the play calling process. He wasn't happy with Donovan, and he doesn't want to have to be micromanaging play calling like he did this year.
He did a ton of research to come up with what type of offense he wanted to run, and who he wanted to run it. For 2016 what will make a difference..
1) A running quarterback to put teeth into the read option
2) A more accurate quarterback
3) Bates, Gonzalez, McGovern challenging and hopefully winning the spots at G-C-G. Maybe you see Menet in that mix as well.
4) Use pace to keep the defense off balance
5) A veteran, deep, and talented WR depth chart
6) Barkley coming back 100% healthy with a dash of the #1 RB recruit in the country, Miles Sanders.
There needs to be improvement on that side of the ball, and I believe we will see it.
He did a ton of research to come up with what type of offense he wanted to run, and who he wanted to run it. For 2016 what will make a difference..
1) A running quarterback to put teeth into the read option
2) A more accurate quarterback
3) Bates, Gonzalez, McGovern challenging and hopefully winning the spots at G-C-G. Maybe you see Menet in that mix as well.
4) Use pace to keep the defense off balance
5) A veteran, deep, and talented WR depth chart
6) Barkley coming back 100% healthy with a dash of the #1 RB recruit in the country, Miles Sanders.
There needs to be improvement on that side of the ball, and I believe we will see it.
