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He says Oregon would have been better off taking a dive in the 4th quarter rather than winning and ending up with the playoff draw it got in comparison to undeserving Penn State. Tweet linked below.

LOL. I'm loving all this pissing and moaning from the talking heads. And I can only imagine the conversations taking place inside Big-10 board rooms:

Wait, what??!! Penn State was supposed to get screwed over. How did this happen??!!

Don't worry, boss. We'll fix it with the officiating assignments in their next game. On second thought, I forgot, the crews are neutral for playoff games.

Wait, what??!!
 
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Just looking around: CBS Sports brain trust predictions
  • We go to the quarter final to lose to ND
  • Quarter Final loss to GA
  • Quarter Final loss to ND
  • Lose to SMU
  • Quarter Final loss to GA
  • Semi Final loss to Oregon
  • Quarter Final, lose to GA

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You move got the brackets mixed up a bit. If we get to ND/Ga it would be in the semis, not quarters. Plus, we can’t see UO until the final.

I can’t believe I most agree with Dennis Dodd. If Ga has a functioning QB, I think they win. Oregon’s run defense is paper mache as we proved. The Dawgs will own the LOS
 
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His job is to voice opinions. He just seems to have all negative opinions on PSU. Dunno why.

Everyone knew the 5 or 6 seed might get a favorable draw when you shoehorn conference champions with the higher seeds. “Lesser” conferences cause the problems for Klatt. He just wants a reseeding beauty contest after the conference championship games. However, his suggestion of Oregon tanking implies that championship games should end. I don’t disagree but money talks and those games will continue as long as they are profitable.

You can’t have meaningless games at the end of the season. I am glad we got the home game if only for the novelty. A favorable draw is a bonus. Now we have to figure out how to beat good teams even if they aren’t from the SEC.
 
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Chickenman Testa said:
You move got the brackets mixed up a bit. If we get to ND/Ga it would be in the semis, not quarters. Plus, we can’t see UO until the final.

I can’t believe I most agree with Dennis Dodd. If Ga has a functioning QB, I think they win. Oregon’s run defense is paper mache as we proved. The Dawgs will own the LOS
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I fixed it. I need another cup of coffee. I confused "four teams playing" with Quarterfinals.
 
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Jerry said:
He says Oregon would have been better off taking a dive in the 4th quarter rather than winning and ending up with the playoff draw it got in comparison to undeserving Penn State. Tweet linked below.

LOL. I'm loving all this pissing and moaning from the talking heads. And I can only imagine the conversations taking place inside Big-10 board rooms:

Wait, what??!! Penn State was supposed to get screwed over. How did this happen??!!

Don't worry, boss. We'll fix it with the officiating assignments in their next game. On second thought, I forgot, the crews are neutral for playoff games.

Wait, what??!!
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He's not wrong though
Oregon has the an awful path to the semis compared to us
Penn State literally could get ACC runner up, MWC champ and Georgia without Beck to make a final
They have to change how they seed teams
Oregon would have been better off with the 5 seed--we would have been worse off had we won
Maybe Drew was told to throw the pick
 
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Jerry said:
He says Oregon would have been better off taking a dive in the 4th quarter rather than winning and ending up with the playoff draw it got in comparison to undeserving Penn State. Tweet linked below.

LOL. I'm loving all this pissing and moaning from the talking heads. And I can only imagine the conversations taking place inside Big-10 board rooms:

Wait, what??!! Penn State was supposed to get screwed over. How did this happen??!!

Don't worry, boss. We'll fix it with the officiating assignments in their next game. On second thought, I forgot, the crews are neutral for playoff games.

Wait, what??!!
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Well, he’s right in the outcome but it wasn’t the committee that caused the imbalance. It was the ridiculous rules set for the playoff that forced teams to be seeded as they are.

It was the politically correct ideas that a G5 must be invited and that any conference champ gets a first round bye when there’s such a disparity in the conferences (SEC/ Big Ten vs ACC, B12). They decided they needed to be “fair” rather than be accurate.

If they simply seeded the teams based on resume it wouldn’t be an issue. There’d still be debate of team X is better than team Y but you wouldn’t have Boise St and Arizona St given byes or PSU playing SMU/ Boise while #1 Oregon gets the Ohio St/ Tennessee winner.
 
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lurkerlion said:
His job is to voice opinions. He just seems to have all negative opinions on PSU. Dunno why.

Everyone knew the 5 or 6 seed might get a favorable draw when you shoehorn conference champions with the higher seeds. “Lesser” conferences cause the problems for Klatt. He just wants a reseeding beauty contest after the conference championship games. However, his suggestion of Oregon tanking implies that championship games should end. I don’t disagree but money talks and those games will continue as long as they are profitable.

You can’t have meaningless games at the end of the season. I am glad we got the home game if only for the novelty. A favorable draw is a bonus. Now we have to figure out how to beat good teams even if they aren’t from the SEC.
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Well, one good start for your last point is a Neutral Officiating Crew. SMU. SMU has to travel almost 1,700 miles to play in Beaver Stadium at the end of December (SMU is located in Dallas, TX - a warm weather location relative to State College) - they are going to be completely unfamiliar with the environment of conditions they'll be facing. PSU will be a huge favorite in this game imho and the Neutral Officiating will also be a huge +++ in PSU's favor.
 
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psu00 said:
Well, he’s right in the outcome but it wasn’t the committee that caused the imbalance. It was the ridiculous rules set for the playoff that forced teams to be seeded as they are.

It was the politically correct ideas that a G5 must be invited and that any conference champ gets a first round bye when there’s such a disparity in the conferences (SEC/ Big Ten vs ACC, B12). They decided they needed to be “fair” rather than be accurate.

If they simply seeded the teams based on resume it wouldn’t be an issue. There’d still be debate of team X is better than team Y but you wouldn’t have Boise St and Arizona St given byes or PSU playing SMU/ BYU while #1 Oregon gets the Ohio St/ Tennessee winner.
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Exactly--even with the auto bids it should have been
12 Clemson at 5 Notre Dame (4 Penn State)
11 SMU at 6 Ohio State (3 Texas)
10 Arizona State at Tennessee (2 Georgia)
9 Boise State at 8 Indiana (1 Oregon)

This would have been perfect--teams being rewards for winning titles without punishing those that did more
 
psu00 said:
Well, he’s right in the outcome but it wasn’t the committee that caused the imbalance. It was the ridiculous rules set for the playoff that forced teams to be seeded as they are.

It was the politically correct ideas that a G5 must be invited and that any conference champ gets a first round bye when there’s such a disparity in the conferences (SEC/ Big Ten vs ACC, B12). They decided they needed to be “fair” rather than be accurate.

If they simply seeded the teams based on resume it wouldn’t be an issue. There’d still be debate of team X is better than team Y but you wouldn’t have Boise St and Arizona St given byes or PSU playing SMU/ Boise while #1 Oregon gets the Ohio St/ Tennessee winner.
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yeah. the beef is that SMU and AZ State are in the playoffs and not AL/Ole Miss.
 
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Jerry said:
He says Oregon would have been better off taking a dive in the 4th quarter rather than winning and ending up with the playoff draw it got in comparison to undeserving Penn State. Tweet linked below.

LOL. I'm loving all this pissing and moaning from the talking heads. And I can only imagine the conversations taking place inside Big-10 board rooms:

Wait, what??!! Penn State was supposed to get screwed over. How did this happen??!!

Don't worry, boss. We'll fix it with the officiating assignments in their next game. On second thought, I forgot, the crews are neutral for playoff games.

Wait, what??!!
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Having to play an extra game hurts and SMU is not a gimme. Neither is Boise State who lost on a last second FG to Oregon.
 
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Obliviax said:
Just looking around: CBS Sports brain trust predictions
  • We go to the semi final to lose to ND
  • Semi Final loss to GA
  • Semi Final loss to ND
  • Lose to SMU
  • Semi Final loss to GA
  • Final loss to Oregon
  • Semi Final, lose to GA

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ESPN was about the same - most were loss in semis to UGA or ND.

Personally, if we make the semis I think we beat UGA and, if the defense plays the first half, can beat ND, too.

If we're writing storybook endings, we see OSU in the final and James finally gets over the hump. I don't see that scenario happening but sometimes that kind of stuff plays out.
 
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Lion84 said:
I am also enjoying Finebaum and Saban crying a river over Bama not getting in - well too bad they lost 3 games. They said they should water down the schedule - I guess Western Kentucky and USF aren't weak enough for them.
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The funny thing about them complaining about Bama and needing to stop big OOC games is that Alabama had a weak OOC schedule and lost 3 times in conference. They could have played the little sisters of the poor 4 times OOC and their record would be the same.
 
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Lion84 said:
I am also enjoying Finebaum and Saban crying a river over Bama not getting in - well too bad they lost 3 games. They said they should water down the schedule - I guess Western Kentucky and USF aren't weak enough for them.
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Hey, they did play Mercer, so you have to factor that high quality win.

I do get sick of the unbeatable SEC teams they have to play. In league they played Georgia (6-2), Vanderbilt (3-5), South Carolina (5-3), Tennessee (6-2), Missouri (5-3), LSU (5-3), Oklahoma (2-6), and Auburn (2-6). The SEC is no different than the Big Ten. A few good teams a bunch of mediocre teams and a few bad teams.
 
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psu00 said:
The funny thing about them complaining about Bama and needing to stop big OOC games is that Alabama had a weak OOC schedule and lost 3 times in conference. They could have played the little sisters of the poor 4 times OOC and their record would be the same.
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Quit bringing facts into this discussion.

Alabama is clearly the best team in the country and it's a shame they were illegitimately denied a chance to prove it on the field.

They will ask the SEC to alter their schedule so they can play Vandy, errrr, no, maybe Oklahoma, errr, not them either, maybe they'll just ask for Mercer and WKU to join the SEC.
 
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Lion_Backer said:
And hopefully without lubrication!

I was never a fan of his before this BS 'take'.

He is a Bobby 'The Brain' Heenan from the old WWF level and style of commentator.....
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I was just going to say they should have Mean Gene Okerlund weigh in and this would be complete.
 
Jerry said:
He says Oregon would have been better off taking a dive in the 4th quarter rather than winning and ending up with the playoff draw it got in comparison to undeserving Penn State. Tweet linked below.

LOL. I'm loving all this pissing and moaning from the talking heads. And I can only imagine the conversations taking place inside Big-10 board rooms:

Wait, what??!! Penn State was supposed to get screwed over. How did this happen??!!

Don't worry, boss. We'll fix it with the officiating assignments in their next game. On second thought, I forgot, the crews are neutral for playoff games.

Wait, what??!!
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The extra game matters to the extent that your goal is to win a national championship and not just make the semi finals. If you knew that PSU would make it to the semi finals, I would rather PSU have played one game against Ohio State or Tennessee in the quarter finals and won than having to play 2 games against SMU and Boise St. If Oregon is truly the best team in the country, they will beat OSU / Tenn. and the bye will be better for them in the long run. It is much tougher to win 4 games in a row against top caliber teams (the 9th and 10th ranked teams in the nation are top caliber teams ) than it is to win 3 games in a row against top caliber teams

With respect to PSU, even though SMU and Boise St. are good teams who will be difficult to beat, PSU will get very little credit for beating them and if they lose to ND or Georgia in the semi finals, the talking heads will still argue that we have not beaten anyone.
 
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Jerry said:
He says Oregon would have been better off taking a dive in the 4th quarter rather than winning and ending up with the playoff draw it got in comparison to undeserving Penn State. Tweet linked below.

LOL. I'm loving all this pissing and moaning from the talking heads. And I can only imagine the conversations taking place inside Big-10 board rooms:

Wait, what??!! Penn State was supposed to get screwed over. How did this happen??!!

Don't worry, boss. We'll fix it with the officiating assignments in their next game. On second thought, I forgot, the crews are neutral for playoff games.

Wait, what??!!
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I don't want to hear about. Having a bye followed by three games HAS to improve your odds of winning out. The odds of winning four games is low and NFL history proves it. Wild card super bowl winners are something like 10%
 
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slykens said:
ESPN was about the same - most were loss in semis to UGA or ND.

Personally, if we make the semis I think we beat UGA and, if the defense plays the first half, can beat ND, too.

If we're writing storybook endings, we see OSU in the final and James finally gets over the hump. I don't see that scenario happening but sometimes that kind of stuff plays out.
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PSU fans can't say much until the team beats a good opponent.
 
psu00 said:
The funny thing about them complaining about Bama and needing to stop big OOC games is that Alabama had a weak OOC schedule and lost 3 times in conference. They could have played the little sisters of the poor 4 times OOC and their record would be the same.
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They're saying they should play less conference games because that's where the competition is
 
Scheduling requires at least one good OOC game to sell tickets. Further, strength of schedule still matters unless you are Bama. PSU versus Mercer? OK Kent State isn’t much better this year.

I have always thought SEC teams wouldn’t do well in a full Big 10 schedule. No holding and size would negate any perceived speed advantage. Big 10 is a long and bruising schedule. SEC teams would have to adapt to maintain top teams. Hence, who is the better conference? PSU had to adapt after initial success in 1994.
 
lurkerlion said:
He just seems to have all negative opinions on PSU. Dunno why.
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In my experience, work-related opinions are typically molded by people who pay the bills - meaning management. Why Fox evidently dislikes Penn State is a good question.

Now, if the B1G is telling Fox what opinions to have...then we have a B1G problem.
 
Jerry said:
He says Oregon would have been better off taking a dive in the 4th quarter rather than winning and ending up with the playoff draw it got in comparison to undeserving Penn State. Tweet linked below.

LOL. I'm loving all this pissing and moaning from the talking heads. And I can only imagine the conversations taking place inside Big-10 board rooms:

Wait, what??!! Penn State was supposed to get screwed over. How did this happen??!!

Don't worry, boss. We'll fix it with the officiating assignments in their next game. On second thought, I forgot, the crews are neutral for playoff games.

Wait, what??!!
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They know they were lucky to beat Ohio State last time. And Penn State has just shown Ohio State how to beat Oregon.
 
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Honestly though--does anyone disagree with the point being made that Oregon got a tougher path than others because of the format.
Don't get me wrong--I think Penn State and Texas should have a bye but 6 shouldn't have a home game against the ACC runner up then a neutral site game against Boise while 1 has a neutral site game against Ohio State or Tennessee. If the 2nd round were hosted by the higher seed I'd have less of a problem with it.
 
psu00 said:
The funny thing about them complaining about Bama and needing to stop big OOC games is that Alabama had a weak OOC schedule and lost 3 times in conference. They could have played the little sisters of the poor 4 times OOC and their record would be the same.
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And their conference losses were bad losing to Vandy who was 3-5 In-Conference and 6-6 overall, Oklahoma who was 2-6 In-Conference and 6-6 overall and Tennessee 6-2 In-Conference and 10-2 overall, but finished 3rd In-Conference and did no make the SEC CCG. Sorry, but that is not an at-large bid resume for a National Championship Playoff (compare it to any of the other 7 at-large bids; it does not stack up. The Committee knew this which is why they only moved Clump-son up 1 position to #16 in the Final CFP Rankings. Alabama was a bubble at-large Resume, but they were knocked out of the Playoff bracket by an AUTO-BID, #16 Clump-son, 5 positions behind Alabama in the Final CFP Rankings. They were not knocked out by any of the 7 at-large teams. Alabama had the 8th best resume of teams that did not have a Conference Chapionship Auto-bid and there is only one team that is responsible for that, Alabama themselves (Alabama claiming that they had a great resume with losses to 2 6-loss teams is laughable. They did not have a better resume than SMU - SMU lost to BYU, who is #17 in the Final CFP Rankings and Clump-son in the ACC CCG. Just laughable to claim that a 3-loss Alabama team with two of their losses coming to two 6-loss teams that weren't even remotely sniffing the Final CFP Rankings should have made the playoffs - just laughable.).
 
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Well, one good start for your last point is a Neutral Officiating Crew. SMU. SMU has to travel almost 1,700 miles to play in Beaver Stadium at the end of December (SMU is located in Dallas, TX - a warm weather location relative to State College) - they are going to be completely unfamiliar with the environment of conditions they'll be facing. PSU will be a huge favorite in this game imho and the Neutral Officiating will also be a huge +++ in PSU's favor.
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Dallas area (where SMU is located) gets some nasty damp/bone chilling weather in late Dec - early Feb. Not comparing it to State College but let's not act like they haven't experienced lousy weather.
 
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LandoComando said:
Honestly though--does anyone disagree with the point being made that Oregon got a tougher path than others because of the format.
Don't get me wrong--I think Penn State and Texas should have a bye but 6 shouldn't have a home game against the ACC runner up then a neutral site game against Boise while 1 has a neutral site game against Ohio State or Tennessee. If the 2nd round were hosted by the higher seed I'd have less of a problem with it.
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I totally get the gripe. They built the bracket according to their rules. I find reseeding every round to be problematic as I am sure Penn State and SMU have both started getting travel plans for the Boise game. It can work in the NFL because the travel parties are much smaller and they aren't staying places for a week. Come in the day before and leave after the game. I say that of course not knowing how the games will work but typically bowl sites want people there for a period of time.
 
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It doesn't hurt. Oregon would trade Ohio State to play SMU & Boise State in a second.
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If your goal is to win the national championship, I disagree. I like our chances of winning against SMU and Boise State but I do not like playing Georgia in the Semis after having played 2 games to their 1. Winning 4 games in a row against top 10 teams is much more difficult than it is to win 3 games in a row against top 10 teams.

When you run the percentages, playing an additional game makes it less likely that we win the NC let alone make it to the Semi Finals. If you assume we have a 60% of beating SMU and then a 60% chance of beating Boise State, then our chances of making it to the semi-finals is 36%. I think we would have a better than 36% chance of beating OSU / Tennessee.
 
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Would Oregon really be glad to see Boise State again?

Oregon playing at home needed a last minute FG to beat Boise State 37-34
Boise State's All-America running back Ashton Jeanty went for 195 yards and 3 TDs vs the Ducks.

So is Oregon's run defense greatly improved since early season?
Well, maybe, but Penn State ran for 297 yards at 8.7 yards/carry vs Oregon last week.

Oregon ends up with a bye in Week 1 and gets to watch Ohio State and Tennessee beat each other up.
Not a bad bracket for the Ducks IMO.
 
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