...Interesting piece...http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...football_franklin_h_3.html#incart_river_index
Jones compares Harbaugh to Franklin...
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The only guys who find Jones "interesting" are Jones........and you
His latest "take" may explain your attraction to him......
He is one of the few bipeds on the history of "ever" who can rival your ability to be completely and utterly WRONG.......and then spout off as if he was correct all along
I have to agree with Guns on this one. 95%+ of the article is probably spot on.
Jones is an odd one, because for all the crap he writes about the football program, he's been fairly even handed, observant and accurate about the basketball program over the years. Not a fan boy, but a usually honest assessment of where it's been.
I'd sooner chew on tinfoil and shave my head with a cheese-grader than give this @sshole a click. Franklin has beaten Urban Meyer twice on the field of play, won an East Division Title, a regular season Conference Title and a Conference Title via CCG with half a roster that he inherited three years ago versus Hair-ball who has accomplished none of the above despite inheriting a "top 10 roster" in terms of recruiting unlike the decimated roster and recruiting crap-show that Coach Franklin inherited from FLO.
Stupid piece, awful conclusions from things that aren't connected. What a dumb article to write. The people want a feel good puff piece. How great the team and coaches are, give it to them! Instead, this crap.
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Ugh why would anyone click on PennLies? 
Just copy it if it's worth reading. Don't feed the beast.
Just copy it if it's worth reading. Don't feed the beast.
LOL, what should I bring to the foil & cheese party. Scotch, Irish, Tennessee or Bourbon whiskey?
He clearly likes writing about basketball more than football. His basketball writing is usually very good.
Jones is a hack that steals content for his articles from message boards, however, if you watch the post game videos he and Flounders do after the games, they've actually been very complimentary of PSU this year. Flounders even talked about voting McSorely on his hiesman ballot after the CCG.
90% of PSU fans (outside of the "Gunsie Contingent"):
Didn't say:
"This defense can't be expected to stop anybody of quality....and its only going to get worse""
"If they start slow, they're not going to win ANY games"
"We're looking at an '03 season here....we're looking at a 3-9"
Like-attracts-like? No wonder Gunsie genuflects towards Harrisburg"Penn State is 0-7 against the Big Three (UM, OSU, MSU)....I don't know when the talent gap is going to narrow.....there's NOBODY on this Penn State team that could start for Michigan" (apparently, that "huge talent gap" was "magic-wanded" away in less than a month
)"There's gonna' be some unhappy people....there already are....we're hearing from them" (apparently Gunsie had Jones/Flounders on speed dial)
I hate David Jones and I hate Penn live, but I enjoyed reading this article. We have the right man leading this program and I can't be any more prouder for CJF
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I didn't get around to this last week because of preparation for the Big Ten championship game. But now that we finally have a lull in the action, I think it bears mentioning.
Before this year's Penn State game at Michigan, I made a prediction that Jim Harbaugh would never win a Big Ten title. It's working out well. Barely. So far.
I based this call mainly on my belief that his two apparent main rivals in the East division were grinders, eschewing the showbiz, serene as ducks on a pond up top but paddling like hell beneath the surface. I further postulated that Harbaugh's penchant for sizzle, so attractive to the facile sector of media, would not wear well, either on his main opponents or within his own program.
What I also knew about Harbaugh was that he would not deal well with defeat, just as his mentor Bo Schembechler did not.
And let me say that I enjoyed the hell out of talking to the late Michigan coach because he never sugarcoated anything. He always told you exactly how he felt.
Except there are times when, for the progress of your program and the maintenance of the impressionable young men who compose your team, it's just smarter to keep your mouth shut. To not accept excuses, to teach that sometimes misfortune will be inflicted upon you and you just have to deal with it internally.
Why? Because it creates good habits. It focuses your efforts on what you can control. It's one of the favorite tenets of all coaches but it's also true - when they practice what they preach.
Schembechler, like his own mentor Woody Hayes, did not always practice the discipline he so often espoused. He lacked grace in defeat. He often made lots of excuses, aimed at officiating or muckety-mucks in suits or even his own players. Losses were rarely ever about the other team simply being better. They were usually about somebody screwing up.
Nittany Lions just kept coming 'til they won the trophy
The most entertaining team the conference has seen in years again took a seat on the canvas before rising up to floor Wisconsin in a wild Big Ten championship game.
So, it was with no surprise that I watched Harbaugh state how "bitterly disappointed" he was after his team's overtime loss to Ohio State and then proceed to lay the blame on the officials. I've seen it so many times before from Bo. He often used those exact words.
In some cases, Harbaugh had a legit beef - as in the final-drive pass interference call on a Michigan defensive back that was assessed on an uncatchable pass overthrown by OSU's J.T. Barrett.
In others, he was all wet, particularly on the game's penultimate play when Barrett's progress was judged barely far enough for a first down on a fourth-down keeper. Overhead cameras confirmed the spot, though Harbaugh claimed Barrett was short by eight inches. How he knew this from his vantage point 30 yards away on the sideline is unclear.
Jim Harbaugh - OSU vs. Michigan Post Game - THEOZONE.NET
Anyway, you've seen this postgame diatribe. Here's the question: What message do you think this sends to his players and to recruits? I think it shows he gets frustrated easily, as I suspected all along. But I think it's also one of unaccountability.
The fact is, Harbaugh turtled up and played a hyper-conservative game in both the losses at Iowa and Ohio State. He is as much the reason Michigan lost each game as his team and certainly more so than anything the officials did or didn't do.
In big games, he coaches for 13-10 wins. That's been his reputation. He did this with the 49ers. He did it at Stanford. He did it at San Diego. Schembechler did the same thing. It rarely worked out well.
But no, it was all about the officiating in that loss in Columbus and how "bitterly disappointed" Harbaugh was. Again, it was like Bo had been reincarnated.
It made me think back to another overtime loss to Ohio State in 2014, by a different team, one that had quite a bit more substantive complaint with the officiating. You remember the debacle in State College where OSU defeated Penn State thanks in part to two massive gaffes - a play clock expiration on an OSU field goal and a trapped Buckeye interception leading to an OSU touchdown - that not only were made but inexplicably allowed to stand due to alleged technical trouble with the replay monitor.
And yet, PSU coach James Franklin maintained his composure afterward and did not mention either bad call in his opening statement. Instead, his message was this:
"I truly believe that, with a little bit of patience and a great attitude and tremendous work ethic, we'll get where we want to go. ...
"I'm an emotional guy. ... There are no moral victories at Penn State and there never will be. ... Sticking together, we'll get where we want to be."
Even when asked specifically about the officiating mistakes, Franklin refused to really cite them as causes of the overtime defeat other than to say:
"All that equals 10 points, right?"
Instead, here's how he responded:
"Guys, I would love to come in here on a weekly basis and tell you what I think. And it goes against everything about who I am [not to]. I tell people the truth.
"But I'm not able to do that. I'm not able to do that. I'm going to focus on the things that we can correct as a program and our kids."
No way PSU was making a 4-team College Football Playoff
If you want a more just and equitable playoff where everyone with a reasonable chance to win as well as all major-conference champions are included, the only answer is eight entries.
It was big-boy talk by an accountable grown-up - especially in contrast with his Michigan counterpart.
Here's the entire press conference after the 31-24 2OT loss on Oct. 25, 2014:
Such an approach certainly has worked out so far for Franklin, hasn't it?
The last thing I'm going to do is pretend I was in favor of his hiring in January 2014. I was not, for reasons that had not that much really to do with football. Even as purely a coach of the game, I was no better than neutral about him.
But, as I wrote before this season, he's grown on me because of his relentless positivity and buoyancy. Has it been over the top on occasion? Yes. But, in retrospect, maybe that's exactly what PSU needed to help scour the bilious and acrimonious residue deposited by the events of the last five years.
I'm also the last guy who expected this season to produce such success at Penn State. I picked the Nittany Lions to be 6-6 at this point, not 11-2. I was pretty sure of myself, too.
So, maybe I'm also all wet about Harbaugh and Michigan.
But I think you can see some basic differences between the coaches who run these two programs. A lot of folks have reflexively endowed the guy in the ball cap and Woody glasses with qualities as a basic leader of men that maybe he didn't deserve.
And conversely, maybe we sold short those same attributes within a man who possessed them all along.
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I didn't get around to this last week because of preparation for the Big Ten championship game. But now that we finally have a lull in the action, I think it bears mentioning.
Before this year's Penn State game at Michigan, I made a prediction that Jim Harbaugh would never win a Big Ten title. It's working out well. Barely. So far.
I based this call mainly on my belief that his two apparent main rivals in the East division were grinders, eschewing the showbiz, serene as ducks on a pond up top but paddling like hell beneath the surface. I further postulated that Harbaugh's penchant for sizzle, so attractive to the facile sector of media, would not wear well, either on his main opponents or within his own program.
What I also knew about Harbaugh was that he would not deal well with defeat, just as his mentor Bo Schembechler did not.
And let me say that I enjoyed the hell out of talking to the late Michigan coach because he never sugarcoated anything. He always told you exactly how he felt.
Except there are times when, for the progress of your program and the maintenance of the impressionable young men who compose your team, it's just smarter to keep your mouth shut. To not accept excuses, to teach that sometimes misfortune will be inflicted upon you and you just have to deal with it internally.
Why? Because it creates good habits. It focuses your efforts on what you can control. It's one of the favorite tenets of all coaches but it's also true - when they practice what they preach.
Schembechler, like his own mentor Woody Hayes, did not always practice the discipline he so often espoused. He lacked grace in defeat. He often made lots of excuses, aimed at officiating or muckety-mucks in suits or even his own players. Losses were rarely ever about the other team simply being better. They were usually about somebody screwing up.
Nittany Lions just kept coming 'til they won the trophy
The most entertaining team the conference has seen in years again took a seat on the canvas before rising up to floor Wisconsin in a wild Big Ten championship game.
So, it was with no surprise that I watched Harbaugh state how "bitterly disappointed" he was after his team's overtime loss to Ohio State and then proceed to lay the blame on the officials. I've seen it so many times before from Bo. He often used those exact words.
In some cases, Harbaugh had a legit beef - as in the final-drive pass interference call on a Michigan defensive back that was assessed on an uncatchable pass overthrown by OSU's J.T. Barrett.
In others, he was all wet, particularly on the game's penultimate play when Barrett's progress was judged barely far enough for a first down on a fourth-down keeper. Overhead cameras confirmed the spot, though Harbaugh claimed Barrett was short by eight inches. How he knew this from his vantage point 30 yards away on the sideline is unclear.
Jim Harbaugh - OSU vs. Michigan Post Game - THEOZONE.NET
Anyway, you've seen this postgame diatribe. Here's the question: What message do you think this sends to his players and to recruits? I think it shows he gets frustrated easily, as I suspected all along. But I think it's also one of unaccountability.
The fact is, Harbaugh turtled up and played a hyper-conservative game in both the losses at Iowa and Ohio State. He is as much the reason Michigan lost each game as his team and certainly more so than anything the officials did or didn't do.
In big games, he coaches for 13-10 wins. That's been his reputation. He did this with the 49ers. He did it at Stanford. He did it at San Diego. Schembechler did the same thing. It rarely worked out well.
But no, it was all about the officiating in that loss in Columbus and how "bitterly disappointed" Harbaugh was. Again, it was like Bo had been reincarnated.
It made me think back to another overtime loss to Ohio State in 2014, by a different team, one that had quite a bit more substantive complaint with the officiating. You remember the debacle in State College where OSU defeated Penn State thanks in part to two massive gaffes - a play clock expiration on an OSU field goal and a trapped Buckeye interception leading to an OSU touchdown - that not only were made but inexplicably allowed to stand due to alleged technical trouble with the replay monitor.
And yet, PSU coach James Franklin maintained his composure afterward and did not mention either bad call in his opening statement. Instead, his message was this:
"I truly believe that, with a little bit of patience and a great attitude and tremendous work ethic, we'll get where we want to go. ...
"I'm an emotional guy. ... There are no moral victories at Penn State and there never will be. ... Sticking together, we'll get where we want to be."
Even when asked specifically about the officiating mistakes, Franklin refused to really cite them as causes of the overtime defeat other than to say:
"All that equals 10 points, right?"
Instead, here's how he responded:
"Guys, I would love to come in here on a weekly basis and tell you what I think. And it goes against everything about who I am [not to]. I tell people the truth.
"But I'm not able to do that. I'm not able to do that. I'm going to focus on the things that we can correct as a program and our kids."
No way PSU was making a 4-team College Football Playoff
If you want a more just and equitable playoff where everyone with a reasonable chance to win as well as all major-conference champions are included, the only answer is eight entries.
It was big-boy talk by an accountable grown-up - especially in contrast with his Michigan counterpart.
Here's the entire press conference after the 31-24 2OT loss on Oct. 25, 2014:
Such an approach certainly has worked out so far for Franklin, hasn't it?
The last thing I'm going to do is pretend I was in favor of his hiring in January 2014. I was not, for reasons that had not that much really to do with football. Even as purely a coach of the game, I was no better than neutral about him.
But, as I wrote before this season, he's grown on me because of his relentless positivity and buoyancy. Has it been over the top on occasion? Yes. But, in retrospect, maybe that's exactly what PSU needed to help scour the bilious and acrimonious residue deposited by the events of the last five years.
I'm also the last guy who expected this season to produce such success at Penn State. I picked the Nittany Lions to be 6-6 at this point, not 11-2. I was pretty sure of myself, too.
So, maybe I'm also all wet about Harbaugh and Michigan.
But I think you can see some basic differences between the coaches who run these two programs. A lot of folks have reflexively endowed the guy in the ball cap and Woody glasses with qualities as a basic leader of men that maybe he didn't deserve.
And conversely, maybe we sold short those same attributes within a man who possessed them all along.
I missed the link to your column on the net. Maybe I can compare opinions and count the readers . . .
Bullcrap. The vast majority on this board, and you can go back and look, thought that this was a young, very talented team, that had their top 7 linebackers hurt and were mixing in freshman and rs freshman on the offensive line.
Trying to assign the skepticism and dickish behavior of David Jones and other media that covers this team to the fanbase as a whole is a consistent trend these days.
Of course there were the fans who were too impatient or unintelligent enough to grasp a) the 65 and 75 man rosters b) the lack of talent in the upperclasses due to recruiting during the sanction era and c) the mess of the offensive line that took time to fix. But most fans understood those things and supported Franklin.
There are many on this board who disagree with your assessment of the offensive line and the recruiting of it, during the sanction era.
Not me, but many in fact see that part differently.
What is to disagree with? Franklin arrived to 9 scholarship offensive lineman and had to move two defensive tackles immediately over who STARTED that season. There wasn't a scholarship upperclass offensive tackle on the roster, I think. Noah Beh was O'Brien's best OL recruit and he came in at 238 and has still not seen the field.
Totally agree. While I admit I would have never predicted beating OSU or going 11-2, I thought that the team would at minimum win 6 games even after the beatdown at the big house. Any reasonable person could see that this team was young, had talent, and was very banged up. They need time to gel, time to heal, and experience. The Pitt game revealed the character of this team. Most teams would have quit down 28-7. Even though that loss was disappointing the second half demonstrated this team's potential.
Yea, just another variant of Herbie the homer hack's lies after PSU won the B1G East Division Title claiming that the students and fans didn't support Franklin and wanted him fired.....left before halftime at daO$U game, etc.... Really pathetic stuff, but sadly typical of the b1g shizhole homer douche.
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