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anybody do this? This is a cube that connects via mobile to the internet. The point here is no cable or wires from the street to your home. It comes with a 30 day try and buy. $25/month or $35 depending on add-on. They guarantee 300MB speeds.

I have three smart TVs in the house. If this works, I will kill cable and go to 100% streaming. The TVs will simply need a power source and that's it. So I'll be looking at Fubu, Youtube, Hulu, etc.
 
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anybody do this? This is a cube that connects via mobile to the internet. The point here is no cable or wires from the street to your home. It comes with a 30 day try and buy. $25/month or $35 depending on add-on. They guarantee 300MB speeds.

I have three smart TVs in the house. If this works, I will kill cable and go to 100% streaming. The TVs will simply need a power source and that's it. So I'll be looking at Fubu, Youtube, Hulu, etc.
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I think this is where the world is going. 5G should be fast enough cellular service to power a house such that for most people a land hard line is no longer required. I think a very good thing in the end as then have true competition for internet service versus the monopolies the cable companies now have. Over the next couple of years as the 5G network is built out to push to more and more people this will be like when people starting eliminating land lines for only a cell phone.
 
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Cletus11 said:
I think this is where the world is going. 5G should be fast enough cellular service to power a house such that for most people a land hard line is no longer required. I think a very good thing in the end as then have true competition for internet service versus the monopolies the cable companies now have. Over the next couple of years as the 5G network is built out to push to more and more people this will be like when people starting eliminating land lines for only a cell phone.
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2 big questions to me are will the network be built out to reach enough customers and what happens if/when the providers put data caps/restrictions in place. The big 3 have had pressure put on them by the feds to provide more accurate "5G" coverage maps as what they show in their advertisements are very misleading. In addition right now the technology and coverage is in the "fake it till you make it" phase with many areas that are "5G" showing speeds that are just barely better than 4G.
All 3 currently restrict video streaming to SD on their "5G unlimited data plans" - so we can all see where this is going.

I'd like to think eventually the technology can be used to reach users in rural areas gain access to high speed internet - and to give folks another option vs cable internet, but it's going to be a long time for that reality to match the fantasy that is currently being advertised.
 
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Plan Ahaed said:
2 big questions to me are will the network be built out to reach enough customers and what happens if/when the providers put data caps/restrictions in place. The big 3 have had pressure put on them by the feds to provide more accurate "5G" coverage maps as what they show in their advertisements are very misleading. In addition right now the technology and coverage is in the "fake it till you make it" phase with many areas that are "5G" showing speeds that are just barely better than 4G.
All 3 currently restrict video streaming to SD on their "5G unlimited data plans" - so we can all see where this is going.

I'd like to think eventually the technology can be used to reach users in rural areas gain access to high speed internet - and to give folks another option vs cable internet, but it's going to be a long time for that reality to match the fantasy that is currently being advertised.
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It will be years of build out no doubt. but in 2022, there will be enough places with legit 5G in heavily populated areas that this will be a reality. and the data plans will be tiered such that to have unlimited 5G with no restrictions is going to cost more money, etc..but at least at that point you have legit competition going on between TMoblie, AT&T, and Verizon for the best deal just like you do now with cell phone coverage.
 
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2 big questions to me are will the network be built out to reach enough customers and what happens if/when the providers put data caps/restrictions in place. The big 3 have had pressure put on them by the feds to provide more accurate "5G" coverage maps as what they show in their advertisements are very misleading. In addition right now the technology and coverage is in the "fake it till you make it" phase with many areas that are "5G" showing speeds that are just barely better than 4G.
All 3 currently restrict video streaming to SD on their "5G unlimited data plans" - so we can all see where this is going.

I'd like to think eventually the technology can be used to reach users in rural areas gain access to high speed internet - and to give folks another option vs cable internet, but it's going to be a long time for that reality to match the fantasy that is currently being advertised.
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5G (mm wave) has some significant limitations...most notably range. It requires a far greater number of antennas/towers given the limitation. The economics to bring 5G to rural areas are far worse than 4G. Bottom line, if a rural area doesn't have (good) 4G today, it probably is never getting 5G.

For anyone that pays attention, there is generally significant resident opposition to cell phone towers/antennas being placed in residential areas.
Due to the number of antennas needed for 5G, I suspect there will be many suburban and exurban areas with spotty to no 5G. Translation: 4G is here to stay for much/most of the geography of the US.
 
heckmans said:
5G (mm wave) has some significant limitations...most notably range. It requires a far greater number of antennas/towers given the limitation. The economics to bring 5G to rural areas are far worse than 4G. Bottom line, if a rural area doesn't have (good) 4G today, it probably is never getting 5G.

For anyone that pays attention, there is generally significant resident opposition to cell phone towers/antennas being placed in residential areas.
Due to the number of antennas needed for 5G, I suspect there will be many suburban and exurban areas with spotty to no 5G. Translation: 4G is here to stay for much/most of the geography of the US.
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My biggest concern is degradation during Mobil peak times (typically, afternoon rush hours).

To your point, Somebody told me that there will be fewer cell towers needed with 5G and home internet because each home ends up being a repeater in and of itself. Basically, your home is a low-end repeater.

The bottom line is that it will evolve. My device is back-ordered until the end of March so it is popular here. This is from their website:

5G Home Internet is available in the following cities:
  • Arlington, TX.
  • Anaheim, CA.
  • Atlanta.
  • Charlotte.
  • Chicago.
  • Cincinnati.
  • Cleveland.
  • Dallas.
 
john4psu said:
You have no doubt heard how 5G messes with planes well....

dreddymd.com

Experts in epidemiology, occupational health, toxicology, physics and engineering agree: 5G radiation is toxic to humans

The New Hampshire Commission to Study the Environmental and Health Effects of Evolving 5G Technology put together a study which found that wireless devices and the towers that power them …
dreddymd.com dreddymd.com
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I think that is BS. We've heard this about mobile for years. Today, NOBODY turns their phones off or puts them into airplane mode while flying. Even pilots. I also recall scares about Electro-Magnetic Fields causing cancer. I am less skeptical about 5G potentially interfering with airport equipment and it has been shut down in and around airports. But I think that is a short term issue until it is sorted out (if any at all).
 
john4psu said:
prepforthat.com

5G Is Coming, And With It Potentially Calamitous Health Risks

You want fast wireless service. Enhanced wireless data speeds are premium services that stand to make Wireless companies billions (and already do). The newest technological enhancement to improved wireless data speeds is 5G. The installation
prepforthat.com prepforthat.com
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From the National Cancer Institute:

www.cancer.gov

Electromagnetic Fields and Cancer

A fact sheet about research on electric and magnetic fields and studies examining their potential connection with cancer.
www.cancer.gov www.cancer.gov
 
Obliviax said:
I think that is BS. We've heard this about mobile for years. Today, NOBODY turns their phones off or puts them into airplane mode while flying. Even pilots. I also recall scares about Electro-Magnetic Fields causing cancer. I am less skeptical about 5G potentially interfering with airport equipment and it has been shut down in and around airports. But I think that is a short term issue until it is sorted out (if any at all).
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The issue with 5G and aircraft has to do with the antennas on he ground near the approach corridors to the airport. The 5G signal messes with the onboard radio altimeter. For some aircraft this is only an issue during low visibility approaches and landings. For other, newer aircraft, the radio altimeters are linked to other systems which absolutely are impeded.
 
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I’m too far out into a rural area to get 5G. Similar to you, I have 2 smart tvs. Then, I use Amazon fire stick for a 3rd TV. We can get 100MB for internet, but that happened only 4 years ago. Before that the max speed was 15MB through a different provider, Frontier.
The modem/router is setup in one corner of the the basement. Had trouble with that setup. Intermittent internet upstairs. So, I bought a Unifi access point, wired it to the modem/router and placed in the other corner of my basement but up inside the drop ceiling. Not a wireless cube or mesh setup but works very well now throughout the house as well as front/back porch. Can stream video on multiple devices without issues. Also, have a covered outdoor pavilion about 100 feet from the house. Had to dig a trench and run both coaxial and electrical cable. Then, I can connect a Wi-Fi extender outside to pavilion and internet goes through the electrical wiring for to work. Pain in the butt to do it, but now it’s done. It would be nice to have 5G cube/mesh setup and not have had to do the wiring and digging.
 
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jjw165 said:
I’m too far out into a rural area to get 5G. Similar to you, I have 2 smart tvs. Then, I use Amazon fire stick for a 3rd TV. We can get 100MB for internet, but that happened only 4 years ago. Before that the max speed was 15MB through a different provider, Frontier.
The modem/router is setup in one corner of the the basement. Had trouble with that setup. Intermittent internet upstairs. So, I bought a Unifi access point, wired it to the modem/router and placed in the other corner of my basement but up inside the drop ceiling. Not a wireless cube or mesh setup but works very well now throughout the house as well as front/back porch. Can stream video on multiple devices without issues. Also, have a covered outdoor pavilion about 100 feet from the house. Had to dig a trench and run both coaxial and cat5 cable. Then, I can connect a Wi-Fi extender outside to pavilion and internet goes through the electrical wiring for to work. Pain in the butt to do it, but now it’s done. It would be nice to have 5G cube/mesh setup and not have had to do the wiring and digging.
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Awesome. I bought a mesh system named Amplifi and loved it. I spec built a house and the whole thing was wifi connected (garage door openers, fridge, thermostats, lights, door locks) so needed to move it to the new house to demo it while being sold. So I bought an Eero mesh and it is fantastic. Love mesh and won't go back. I am told it will work with the Verizon 5G cube but we'll see.

On Amplifi, I gave it to my brother in law. He has a lake home and a nice boat. So he has the base, one repeater in his outdoor bar and the other on his boat where he sleeps from time to time and watches streamed content on the boat. So it goes base>repeater>repeater as opposed to repeater>base>repeater.
 
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Obliviax said:
My biggest concern is degradation during Mobil peak times (typically, afternoon rush hours).

To your point, Somebody told me that there will be fewer cell towers needed with 5G and home internet because each home ends up being a repeater in and of itself. Basically, your home is a low-end repeater.

The bottom line is that it will evolve. My device is back-ordered until the end of March so it is popular here. This is from their website:

5G Home Internet is available in the following cities:
  • Arlington, TX.
  • Anaheim, CA.
  • Atlanta.
  • Charlotte.
  • Chicago.
  • Cincinnati.
  • Cleveland.
  • Dallas.
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Interesting...so 5G will be a giant mesh network. Of course, that means that your individual 5G performance will be based on how many and how close your neighbors are who have adopted the same repeaters. As I understand it, 5G signals have a range of 1000-1500ft, so it seems to be a significant risk for all but densely populated areas.
 
Obliviax said:
From the National Cancer Institute:

www.cancer.gov

Electromagnetic Fields and Cancer

A fact sheet about research on electric and magnetic fields and studies examining their potential connection with cancer.
www.cancer.gov www.cancer.gov
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Just like trusting all those medical and government agencies that told everyone the Covid vaccine is safe and protects you.

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heckmans said:
Interesting...so 5G will be a giant mesh network. Of course, that means that your individual 5G performance will be based on how many and how close your neighbors are who have adopted the same repeaters. As I understand it, 5G signals have a range of 1000-1500ft, so it seems to be a significant risk for all but densely populated areas.
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in the end, performance will be house to house, location to locaiton
 
Obliviax said:
anybody do this? This is a cube that connects via mobile to the internet. The point here is no cable or wires from the street to your home. It comes with a 30 day try and buy. $25/month or $35 depending on add-on. They guarantee 300MB speeds.

I have three smart TVs in the house. If this works, I will kill cable and go to 100% streaming. The TVs will simply need a power source and that's it. So I'll be looking at Fubu, Youtube, Hulu, etc.
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What do you need to set up programs to record (and keep) if you are not able to watch live?
 
Obliviax said:
anybody do this? This is a cube that connects via mobile to the internet. The point here is no cable or wires from the street to your home. It comes with a 30 day try and buy. $25/month or $35 depending on add-on. They guarantee 300MB speeds.

I have three smart TVs in the house. If this works, I will kill cable and go to 100% streaming. The TVs will simply need a power source and that's it. So I'll be looking at Fubu, Youtube, Hulu, etc.
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Pretty impressive speeds, but it looks like you have to be a Verizon mobile customer to get home internet. I would have to pay $140 to get a VZ mobile plan (plus 25 or 35 for home internet) that I currently pay $60/mo through T Mobile (which offers 100mbps home internet for $50/mo). I pay $30/mo for 400 mbps for Spectrum internet, so the numbers don't come close to working for me.
 
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I've got a T-Mobile "trashcan" 5G home internet device as a backup to Comcast.

Where I'm located, I have only the corner of the next house between me and the T-Mobile tower 1.5 miles away that is equipped with n41 ("Ultra-Capacity 5G"). I've been able to get as much as 740 Mbps downstream on it but generally it's between 300 and 400 Mbps. Not to sound like the "640k is enough for anyone" type but even with a few TVs in the house streaming 4K it's tough to justify more speed.

My Comcast connection will run up to 1,400 Mbps downstream now - I just wish upstream was faster than 42 Mbps. The T-Mobile service will run up to 70-80 Mbps upstream but not consistently enough to make it primary for the services I need upstream speed for.
 
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Where I work I am smack dab in an area that is 5G Ultra Wideband per Verizon's coverage map - using an iPhone 12 and have access to all 5G/LTE/UltraWide band whatever per my plan. At home I'm in the next tier down on their map being regular 5G nationwide service. I ran the verizon wireless speed test at home and was getting 10 mbps down and 10 up, at work this morning I'm showing 5 mbps down and 3 up w/a 359ms latency sitting next to a window w/4 bars of service in a 5G Ultra Wideband location. I called their tech support line to make sure all was good on my device and was told by "Kelly" from Mumbai to - and I shit you not - load google.com and if it loaded quickly then 5mbps is plenty fast. I kindly at first and then in increasingly frustrated tones tried to explain to "Kelly" that 5G should be somewhere in the 30-50 mbps range at minimum. She stuck to her guns though and kept reiterating that if browsing google.com was working then my internet was working normally and there were no problems. I guess I'm going to a local verizon shop in desperation at this point since no one from their tech team seems to give a rip.

It's speeds and experiences like this that make me a heavy skeptic that even in populated areas 5G will replace cable anytime soon.

Cletus11 said:
It will be years of build out no doubt. but in 2022, there will be enough places with legit 5G in heavily populated areas that this will be a reality. and the data plans will be tiered such that to have unlimited 5G with no restrictions is going to cost more money, etc..but at least at that point you have legit competition going on between TMoblie, AT&T, and Verizon for the best deal just like you do now with cell phone coverage.
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several of the providers have DVR capabilities (YouTube, Hulu, Tivo, Fubu, etc).
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I have had Fubo for a year and love it. It is a perfect cable replacement for us with a cloud dvr. I pay $70 with taxes for 300mb cable internet and $65 for Fubo. In the past I was around $200 for cable + internet.
 
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Where I work I am smack dab in an area that is 5G Ultra Wideband per Verizon's coverage map - using an iPhone 12 and have access to all 5G/LTE/UltraWide band whatever per my plan. At home I'm in the next tier down on their map being regular 5G nationwide service. I ran the verizon wireless speed test at home and was getting 10 mbps down and 10 up, at work this morning I'm showing 5 mbps down and 3 up w/a 359ms latency sitting next to a window w/4 bars of service in a 5G Ultra Wideband location. I called their tech support line to make sure all was good on my device and was told by "Kelly" from Mumbai to - and I shit you not - load google.com and if it loaded quickly then 5mbps is plenty fast. I kindly at first and then in increasingly frustrated tones tried to explain to "Kelly" that 5G should be somewhere in the 30-50 mbps range at minimum. She stuck to her guns though and kept reiterating that if browsing google.com was working then my internet was working normally and there were no problems. I guess I'm going to a local verizon shop in desperation at this point since no one from their tech team seems to give a rip.

It's speeds and experiences like this that make me a heavy skeptic that even in populated areas 5G will replace cable anytime soon.
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no doubt there is going to be growing pains and the network still needs to be built out and is so at a pretty rapid rate I think (I know I see cell phone towers going up everything around me). But yeah, I think the family of 5 with everybody in the evening streaming netflix and internet is probably not going to work right now. But the family with no kids, single people, etc..that don't need huge broadband capability should be able to use it.
 
Cletus11 said:
no doubt there is going to be growing pains and the network still needs to be built out and is so at a pretty rapid rate I think (I know I see cell phone towers going up everything around me). But yeah, I think the family of 5 with everybody in the evening streaming netflix and internet is probably not going to work right now. But the family with no kids, single people, etc..that don't need huge broadband capability should be able to use it.
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First, the quality will go household to household. I have a solid 5G connection but not the Ultra Wideband yet (UW). I have had it in my travels just not at home at this point.

The initial reviews are really good from users. Most feel that they are getting north of 300mb. I get 100mb from my provider today with no problems. I zoom all day long and rarely have any problems.

I am not sure it is an apples to apples comparison, though. We'll see. I get my box at the end of the month (back ordered) and will post my results.
 
I thought this was a good review for the cube. Best place to install is on a window for best signal but can also be installed on the wall.
 
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I actually watched that after I came home from the Verizon store. Good video and very educational.
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A reminder.... the cube is a WIFI 6 router and in order to get the full benefit of the available speed then all your devices need to be WIFI 6 compatible. I went through this a year ago, if your laptops/tablets/cell phones are not WIFI 6 capable you might lose up to half, yes half, of the speed capability.
 
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A reminder.... the cube is a WIFI 6 router and in order to get the full benefit of the available speed then all your devices need to be WIFI 6 compatible. I went through this a year ago, if your laptops/tablets/cell phones are not WIFI 6 capable you might lose up to half, yes half, of the speed capability.
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good to know. How can I check? I use a MacBook. I have an Eero mesh system and I see that they are offering an upgrade package.
 
Obliviax said:
good to know. How can I check? I use a MacBook. I have an Eero mesh system and I see that they are offering an upgrade package.
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I think it depends on when you bought your Macbook, I think they've been 6 capable for a little over a year. I have a Samsung S20 phone and it is 6 capable.
 
SLUPSU said:
I think it depends on when you bought your Macbook, I think they've been 6 capable for a little over a year. I have a Samsung S20 phone and it is 6 capable.
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It looks like macs with the M1 chip, not Intel, are Wifi 6 compatible. You can go to "About my Mac" and see what processor chip is in your device.
 
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