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You couldn't be more proud of these student/athletes

Saw this in casey's letter

"Academically we had 15 Academic All-Big Ten honorees, which was the most of any Big Ten team, finished in the top 20 for team GPA, and had three National All-Academic team honorees. "


Congratulations, yet again, to the PSU wrestlers. OUTSTANDING!!!
 
They're superb. I was thinking about it yesterday, with a fall, a tech, and a major our five champions our five champions EASILY ourscored the other five champions. The rest of the country threw in their absolute best including an Olympic gold and an Olympic bronze medal winner and five of our team members smoked them.
 
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IMO this is far more important on the wrestling side of things than we give credit for. I suspect that a large part of our "hit rate" with top recruits - and make no mistake, despite claims to the contrary by other fan bases, the PSU hit rate is far better than average, albeit relatively small sample size so far - is tied into this. Top academic achievement on top of athletic achievement indicates work ethic, drive, competitiveness, focus, maturity - all things that translate into great success when combined with talent.

Of course landing these athletes is easier said than done, but Cael has been successful doing this. In large part, IMO, because he has created a culture here that embraces this. I'm also not uncomfortable with the fact that the culture embraces student athletes of faith. I know this will illicit some negative responses from a few, but I believe there is very positive element to this. I say this as an agnostic. Although I lack faith in my personal life, I can recognize the many admirable qualities that are often found in people of faith that translate here. Although these traits are easily achievable outside of a faith based life, it certainly makes it easier for adolescents and young adults to make mature decisions with a structured background. Sorry to digress from the academics, but it is my opinion.
 
These kids are not taking Mickey Mouse majors either.

Several are in kineosiology (Nolf, Mouse, others ?). Zain is a finance major.
 
These kids are not taking Mickey Mouse majors either.

Several are in kineosiology (Nolf, Mouse, others ?). Zain is a finance major.
Hear, hear!

By the way, is Kinesio-Logie the study of kinetic Logiebear Stiebers in action? What a strange major! o_O
 
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These kids are not taking Mickey Mouse majors either.

Several are in kineosiology (Nolf, Mouse, others ?). Zain is a finance major.
Not to rain on anyone's parade but kinesiology is a half step up from "exercise science".
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade but kinesiology is a half step up from "exercise science".
Not sure what that means...as a professor in Exercise Science/Kinesiology, I can tell you the majors are the same thing. And, they are not a fluff major. Students can then go into medical school, physical therapy school, study cardiac rehab etc.... it is a science based study of the human body.
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade but kinesiology is a half step up from "exercise science".
It clearly isn't as rigorous as Ohio State's famed "Sports Industry" discipline.

Then again, not everyone is a John Urschel, Adam Coon or Matt Brown.
 
They're superb. I was thinking about it yesterday, with a fall, a tech, and a major our five champions our five champions EASILY ourscored the other five champions. The rest of the country threw in their absolute best including an Olympic gold and an Olympic bronze medal winner and five of our team members smoked them.

Nobody on your team wrestled either of the Olympians. So, that's kind of a non-issue. That's like putting Nolf and Cenzo on Cleveland State and saying you beat a team with 2 national champs.
 
IMO this is far more important on the wrestling side of things than we give credit for. I suspect that a large part of our "hit rate" with top recruits - and make no mistake, despite claims to the contrary by other fan bases, the PSU hit rate is far better than average, albeit relatively small sample size so far - is tied into this. Top academic achievement on top of athletic achievement indicates work ethic, drive, competitiveness, focus, maturity - all things that translate into great success when combined with talent.

Of course landing these athletes is easier said than done, but Cael has been successful doing this. In large part, IMO, because he has created a culture here that embraces this. I'm also not uncomfortable with the fact that the culture embraces student athletes of faith. I know this will illicit some negative responses from a few, but I believe there is very positive element to this. I say this as an agnostic. Although I lack faith in my personal life, I can recognize the many admirable qualities that are often found in people of faith that translate here. Although these traits are easily achievable outside of a faith based life, it certainly makes it easier for adolescents and young adults to make mature decisions with a structured background. Sorry to digress from the academics, but it is my opinion.
I feel the relationship between good choices and faith is similar to the relationship between knowing the x value a quadratic equation. You still need to find the value of Y but knowing the value of x is a great start. Our athletes faith has also attracted them to truly excellent mentors friends and disciplines. I am a man of faith and all for it as long as you don't make it anyone else's problem.
 
Nobody on your team wrestled either of the Olympians. So, that's kind of a non-issue. That's like putting Nolf and Cenzo on Cleveland State and saying you beat a team with 2 national champs.

You've completely missed the point. PSU was dominate because the rest of the NCAA teams couldn't collectively put together a team that would have won a dual. PSU 21 Best of rest 15. It is notable that best of the rest weren't slouches as these included two Olympic medalists and two other 2X NCAA champs (at the time) or three two timers (in hindsight). Best of rest doesn't equal
Cleveland State.
 
Not sure what that means...as a professor in Exercise Science/Kinesiology, I can tell you the majors are the same thing. And, they are not a fluff major. Students can then go into medical school, physical therapy school, study cardiac rehab etc.... it is a science based study of the human body.

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No woopsies. I'm sure there are plenty of serious students in kinesiology. It does however not rise to the status of a serious major. Look at the catalog. For example you can graduate without even taking a 100 level math class. And all these "doctors" will sure be surprised when they get to med school and don't know chemistry, nothing even in the 200 level.
I'll admit I'm a snob among majors (PhD Engineering), but someone calling kinesiology a real major needs an update.
Back to wrestling.
 
No woopsies. I'm sure there are plenty of serious students in kinesiology. It does however not rise to the status of a serious major. Look at the catalog. For example you can graduate without even taking a 100 level math class. And all these "doctors" will sure be surprised when they get to med school and don't know chemistry, nothing even in the 200 level.
I'll admit I'm a snob among majors (PhD Engineering), but someone calling kinesiology a real major needs an update.
Back to wrestling.

Yeah, you are a snob, and I should leave it at that (but won't). The students would take stats at the minimum, and take the classes appropriate for their post-grad aspirations in discussion with their advisor. That is why electives are built into all majors. Kines is not a one size fits all, and it does require academic planning to get the right fit....
 
No woopsies. I'm sure there are plenty of serious students in kinesiology. It does however not rise to the status of a serious major. Look at the catalog. For example you can graduate without even taking a 100 level math class. And all these "doctors" will sure be surprised when they get to med school and don't know chemistry, nothing even in the 200 level.
I'll admit I'm a snob among majors (PhD Engineering), but someone calling kinesiology a real major needs an update.
Back to wrestling.
Showing others a bit of respect seems to be lost on you. You don't need to admit to anything, your words speak volumes.
 
Nobody on your team wrestled either of the Olympians. So, that's kind of a non-issue. That's like putting Nolf and Cenzo on Cleveland State and saying you beat a team with 2 national champs.
True, what is also true is the Olympians did not score bonus either.
 
No woopsies. I'm sure there are plenty of serious students in kinesiology. It does however not rise to the status of a serious major. Look at the catalog. For example you can graduate without even taking a 100 level math class. And all these "doctors" will sure be surprised when they get to med school and don't know chemistry, nothing even in the 200 level.
I'll admit I'm a snob among majors (PhD Engineering), but someone calling kinesiology a real major needs an update.
Back to wrestling.
Seems we have a volunteer for Dr. McCutcheon's first neck cracking.
 
No woopsies. I'm sure there are plenty of serious students in kinesiology. It does however not rise to the status of a serious major. Look at the catalog. For example you can graduate without even taking a 100 level math class. And all these "doctors" will sure be surprised when they get to med school and don't know chemistry, nothing even in the 200 level.
I'll admit I'm a snob among majors (PhD Engineering), but someone calling kinesiology a real major needs an update.
Back to wrestling.

A PhD in Engineering doesn't take away from the fact that you're a douche. A major in exercise science often leads to a great career, some of whom I'm sure out earn you with a bachelor's. I'm sure you are a real blast to hang out!
 
A PhD in Engineering doesn't take away from the fact that you're a douche. A major in exercise science often leads to a great career, some of whom I'm sure out earn you with a bachelor's. I'm sure you are a real blast to hang out!
His slide rule doesn't have a calculation for how to interact on a personal level with people.
 
No woopsies. I'm sure there are plenty of serious students in kinesiology. It does however not rise to the status of a serious major. Look at the catalog. For example you can graduate without even taking a 100 level math class. And all these "doctors" will sure be surprised when they get to med school and don't know chemistry, nothing even in the 200 level.
I'll admit I'm a snob among majors (PhD Engineering), but someone calling kinesiology a real major needs an update.
Back to wrestling.
One of my wife's college roommates is an ER Doc, she was a history Major. Wasn't easy for her, but she graduated Med school. If someone is determined, they can get through Med school as a Kinesiology major.

Fact is most people with a Kinesiology degree are not looking to become doctors. Some want to be S&C coaches or personal trainers, for them, taking Calculus or Chemistry is a waste of time and money. My daughter is majoring in Occupational Therapy, still trying to figure out how Chemistry and Calculus will help her working with a patient with dementia or autism. Again, a waste of time, resources and my money.
 
Unfortunately, my own sister is a major snob, she graduated from Penn State, with an engineering degree, almost 35 years ago and to this day will make offhand comments that implies that people graduating with degrees, other than engineering, had a cake walk to earn that degree, compared to what she was required to do. I love her and besides this flaw, she is a decent person, but not a good look at all for my sister.
 
Opposite happened to me. Comp sci major, multiple (3) grad degrees, and what I learned is how stupid I am. I have run across so many amazing intellects, and one of the smartest is a guy I work with that has no degree and sometimes makes me feel like I’m in 4th grade by his vast knowledge.

Irony is he could not even get a job and develop the way he did, in today’s world. The trick is to learn that what is important to you some one else may care less about. That has nothing to do with their intelligence.

Therefore it took a while for a tech geek like me to be able to appreciate the genius of people that can’t log on to a computer without help, but have an incredible gift with people, or music, or art, or making things, or whatever it is.

For me it is all about sports and tech, but just shows how limited I am. Good thing everyone is not an eye or a hand, or a Ranger fan. World would stink. Come to think of it, we really could use less Cowboy (Dallas, that is) fans…
 
Unfortunately, my own sister is a major snob, she graduated from Penn State, with an engineering degree, almost 35 years ago and to this day will make offhand comments that implies that people graduating with degrees, other than engineering, had a cake walk to earn that degree, compared to what she was required to do. I love her and besides this flaw, she is a decent person, but not a good look at all for my sister.
happens at all schools. My daughter says her Nursing degree at JMU was much more difficult than other schools and many other majors at JMU. A lot of the times they make this assessment based on the amount of work/studying they have to do compared to others. In her case, she had roommates in the 'arts' who seemed to have too much time on their hands! However, I think the intent of the original comment was simply to say some majors are more difficult than others - regardless of what you do with them.
 
Opposite happened to me. Comp sci major, multiple (3) grad degrees, and what I learned is how stupid I am. I have run across so many amazing intellects, and one of the smartest is a guy I work with that has no degree and sometimes makes me feel like I’m in 4th grade by his vast knowledge.

Irony is he could not even get a job and develop the way he did, in today’s world. The trick is to learn that what is important to you some one else may care less about. That has nothing to do with their intelligence.

Therefore it took a while for a tech geek like me to be able to appreciate the genius of people that can’t log on to a computer without help, but have an incredible gift with people, or music, or art, or making things, or whatever it is.

For me it is all about sports and tech, but just shows how limited I am. Good thing everyone is not an eye or a hand, or a Ranger fan. World would stink. Come to think of it, we really could use less Cowboy (Dallas, that is) fans…

EE major here. It worked for me at the time. Would I take the same route today if I was 18 again? Probably not. Proud of my accomplishments but I'd work smarter, not harder. I'm not sure I'd take on astronomical student loans. Other ways to skin a cat in IT these days. That's all I'm sure I'm good at. Don't get the arrogance. I admire creativity. I admire people who have the stones to start their own business even if it's a sandwich truck.
 
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You've completely missed the point. PSU was dominate because the rest of the NCAA teams couldn't collectively put together a team that would have won a dual. PSU 21 Best of rest 15. It is notable that best of the rest weren't slouches as these included two Olympic medalists and two other 2X NCAA champs (at the time) or three two timers (in hindsight). Best of rest doesn't equal
Cleveland State.
Umm, not really the best measure of a PSU vs. Best of the Rest dual. You're forgetting that the other 5 champs wrestled guys that were better than PSU had available at those weights. I'd give 5 @125 & 133, 4 @285, and 3 @141 & 197. Still that makes it 21-20.
 
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... Therefore it took a while for a tech geek like me to be able to appreciate the genius of people that can’t log on to a computer without help …
So, does that mean, by analogy, that even though Cael is not a habitual fan of recruiting 2nd-tier wrestlers to be starters and coaching them up, to increase his degree of difficulty, he is still a good guy? ;)
 
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Not sure what that means...as a professor in Exercise Science/Kinesiology, I can tell you the majors are the same thing. And, they are not a fluff major. Students can then go into medical school, physical therapy school, study cardiac rehab etc.... it is a science based study of the human body.
My graduate work was in Kinesiology and you know how smart I am!
 
FM might be the biggest douche on here, that's saying something.
We don't have to go that far as to call each other names. We can give each other the benefit of the doubt. Maybe a guy is just very smart and analytical and perfectionistic, like Steve Jobs, and he says, "this one is hard; this one is easy" without any real disdain or animosity.

The real point, to me, is that being hard or easy is not a super-important distinction. To me, what's more important is sincerity. Is a major a sincere major that people really want to study because they care about it and/or might want to get a career with it?

I have made fun of tOSU'S "Sport Industry" major before, not just because it sounds easy, but because it does not sound sincere. It sounds like something made up for people who don't really want to learn anything, a la the mythical underwater basketweaving. Of course, that's just my subjective snap judgment from a scan of the course catalog (with courses such as "Sex and the Athlete" or similar). I am open to changing my opinion.
 
We don't have to go that far as to call each other names. We can give each other the benefit of the doubt. Maybe a guy is just very smart and analytical and perfectionistic, like Steve Jobs, and he says, "this one is hard; this one is easy" without any real disdain or animosity.

The real point, to me, is that being hard or easy is not a super-important distinction. To me, what's more important is sincerity. Is a major a sincere major that people really want to study because they care about it and/or might want to get a career with it?

I have made fun of tOSU'S "Sport Industry" major before, not just because it sounds easy, but because it does not sound sincere. It sounds like something made up for people who don't really want to learn anything, a la the mythical underwater basketweaving. Of course, that's just my subjective snap judgment from a scan of the course catalog (with courses such as "Sex and the Athlete" or similar). I am open to changing my opinion.
I'm OK with anOSU's Sport Industry major. It appears to be geared toward developing ADs. And certainly we need more wrestlers in that job. Even if they're extra tan. Every wrestling alum in that job is one less Trev Alberts.

I think the notion of lesser requirements in Kinesiology is due to the academic structure in Engineering. My major had 138 credits and was highly structured. I had flexibility with about 28 of those credits (SR tech electives, JR-SR labs, humanities, and gym). Everything else was scripted -- both the classes themselves and which semester to take them due to prerequisites.

(As an aside: I think Engineering is overscripted and has too many redundancies from FR thru JR year -- and have discussed this as an industry rep with my dept head. PSU's 8 semesters of death should be reduced to 6 semesters, or 7 semesters with a mandatory internship. The accreditation board disagrees with me. Whatcha gonna do?)

A less scripted major could be interpreted as less rigorous or as more flexible. Devil is in the details.
 
I'm still at a loss about this whole discussion. Seriously guys, who are we to judge anyone for their chosen field of study? Or whatever path they take in life, for that matter.

What's the point? To feel superior?
 
I'm still at a loss about this whole discussion. Seriously guys, who are we to judge anyone for their chosen field of study? Or whatever path they take in life, for that matter.

What's the point? To feel superior?
Aside from the specific goofiness of this particular thread, in general, being suspicious of majors comes from news scandals involving football players who were shunted into made-up joke majors and who cannot even read after graduation, I think.
 
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We don't have to go that far as to call each other names. We can give each other the benefit of the doubt. Maybe a guy is just very smart and analytical and perfectionistic, like Steve Jobs, and he says, "this one is hard; this one is easy" without any real disdain or animosity.

The real point, to me, is that being hard or easy is not a super-important distinction. To me, what's more important is sincerity. Is a major a sincere major that people really want to study because they care about it and/or might want to get a career with it?

I have made fun of tOSU'S "Sport Industry" major before, not just because it sounds easy, but because it does not sound sincere. It sounds like something made up for people who don't really want to learn anything, a la the mythical underwater basketweaving. Of course, that's just my subjective snap judgment from a scan of the course catalog (with courses such as "Sex and the Athlete" or similar). I am open to changing my opinion.
what he said
 
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