Justin Oliver Transferring and Interested in PSU

[Law-Deezie]

Question is, is PSU interested in Oliver?

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6163241-justin-oliver-recieves-release-from-central-michigan

 

[zzs006]

Was just going to post this as well. Don’t think PSU really needs him with Berge or Verk ready to go at 149 but at the same time plugging in a former all-American at that spot might make for an even better team. I’m all for it and the competition it brings in the room as long as it doesn’t create a situation where one or more of the guys get upset about sitting the bench and transfer out. I’m very high on Berge and see him as a NC before he is finished so keeping him and Verkleeren is more important than a possible small point bump that bringing in a guy for 1 year might accomplish.

 

[crockster]

He is quality wrestler, but it seems crowded enough at 149 next year, with Verk and Berge..

 

[LumbeeIndian]

I think PSU will be our National Champions next year without adding him and no matter what other teams bring in to try and close the gap. That being said, I roll with the guys I already have in the room.

 

[nitlion6]

I will take the redshirt freshmen who by the time next season starts will have spent about 17 months in the Penn State wrestling room.

 

[El-Jefe]

Hope he goes elsewhere. Really don't want to see the sport become AA types transferring to the powers in order to maybe start.

 

[caliPSUfan]

I gotta ditto the majority of you guys...I don’t want him for the same reasons that I didn’t want McKenna - I like what we already have!

DeSanto intrigues me because he’s not just a 1 year hired gun and it’s conceivable that they could still juggle their lineup with him successfully - not a given, but possible.

Oliver, no thanks...

 

[Sportfan2017]

There are numerous wrestlers available for transfer this year. I do not expect any of them to end up at Penn State. If Desanto and PSU had mutual interest.......he wouldn't be in Iowa this weekend My greater concern is that someone may decide to leave over the summer. I will be quite satisfied to see all the commits stay true and those currently on the team remain.

 

[Notsofastmyfriend21]

He is quality wrestler, but it seems crowded enough at 149 next year, with Verk and Berge..

I was informed by an apparition that Berge will not wrestle at 149, in an earlier post. More confusion came about, when, in the very same thread, I learned recipe's for dry rub seasoning, how to make a drink with a bourbon called "Widow" something, the entire unabridged history of the Shaker religion in the early 1800's, and the best vacation spots in the rocky mountains.

At this point I have no idea what to make of it all.

 

[billrag]

I was informed by an apparition that Berge will not wrestle at 149, in an earlier post. More confusion came about, when, in the very same thread, I learned recipe's for dry rub seasoning, how to make a drink with a bourbon called "Widow" something, the entire unabridged history of the Shaker religion in the early 1800's, and the best vacation spots in the rocky mountains.

At this point I have no idea what to make of it all.

Berge going at 157 would make me perfectly happy if that's the plan. I'm pretty high on Verkleeren at 149 and if Berge is truly able to roll with Verk or best him on the mat, then it would be nice to get both out there. I recognize that Nolf has another year and will likely stay at 157, but that potentially makes us stronger, in 2020 and 2021. As others have pointed out, we're blessed to have so much depth at many weights.

 

[Lyons212]

If Oliver wants to walkon and see if he can crack the lineup, let him. Other than that, I would go with the guys in the room already. Verkleeren and or Berge could very well finish higher on the podium in 2019.

 

[SJP80]

As long as you dont need him to win the NC (we don't) then he stops Verk or Berge from mat time that will help them in the long run. Only way to develop the young uns is to get them out there. If it was a hole (see 125 last year), different story. Reality is that if the RSFR wrestle a full year, they will be close to where Oliver will finish ..... and we will be better off for the next three years

 

[Sullivan]

There are numerous wrestlers available for transfer this year. I do not expect any of them to end up at Penn State. If Desanto and PSU had mutual interest.......he wouldn't be in Iowa this weekend My greater concern is that someone may decide to leave over the summer. I will be quite satisfied to see all the commits stay true and those currently on the team remain.

I believe he will enjoy his trip to Iowa -- but he will be reminded how far Iowa is from home. Initial reports indicated that he planned to attend Drexel because of the proximity to home (I assume it's important for family and friends to attend his matches). I believe each of the following variables will come into play with Desanto eventually choosing Rutgers:

1. Proximity to home

2. $$ -- I believe Rutgers has the most to offer -- if I recall, they went to 9.9 ships last year. Thus, they might have some extra money versus the other schools being considered.

3. Work out partners of Suriano and Ashnault -- don't get me wrong, Penn State and Iowa both have similar quality workout partners. But Rutgers also has #1 & #2.

 

[nitlion6]

As long as you dont need him to win the NC (we don't) then he stops Verk or Berge from mat time that will help them in the long run. Only way to develop the young uns is to get them out there. If it was a hole (see 125 last year), different story. Reality is that if the RSFR wrestle a full year, they will be close to where Oliver will finish ..... and we will be better off for the next three years

Penn State freshman (red shirts and straight up), if they are going to be good they are very good by the end of their freshman campaign.
Assuming Verk and Berge are both going to be good, Oliver is probably starting a bit behind and set to slip farther behind as the year goes on.

 

[El-Jefe]

There are numerous wrestlers available for transfer this year. I do not expect any of them to end up at Penn State. If Desanto and PSU had mutual interest.......he wouldn't be in Iowa this weekend My greater concern is that someone may decide to leave over the summer. I will be quite satisfied to see all the commits stay true and those currently on the team remain.

All laughs aside ... Cenzo and Teasdale both visited Iowa. IIRC Berge did too.

 

[El-Jefe]

I believe he will enjoy his trip to Iowa -- but he will be reminded how far Iowa is from home. Initial reports indicated that he planned to attend Drexel because of the proximity to home (I assume it's important for family and friends to attend his matches). I believe each of the following variables will come into play with Desanto eventually choosing Rutgers:

1. Proximity to home

2. $$ -- I believe Rutgers has the most to offer -- if I recall, they went to 9.9 ships last year. Thus, they might have some extra money versus the other schools being considered.

3. Work out partners of Suriano and Ashnault -- don't get me wrong, Penn State and Iowa both have similar quality workout partners. But Rutgers also has #1 & #2.

My understanding of Fight Club finances is that they have 9.9 for in state, but not 9.9 for non resident. Not sure exactly where the line is drawn in between, how much of a mix the're funded for -- their roster is overwhelmingly NJ residents, but they do have a CA recruit coming in (and not sure if Robinson has qualified for NJ residency or if he's still officially VA).

I could also be behind in my understanding ... wouldn't be the first or last time.

They probably can't offer much of anything for 2019 this late in the game. What they CAN offer is 2020 and beyond -- with Ashnault and Gravina both coming off the books.

 

[dunkej01]

My understanding of Fight Club finances is that they have 9.9 for in state, but not 9.9 for non resident. Not sure exactly where the line is drawn in between, how much of a mix the're funded for -- their roster is overwhelmingly NJ residents, but they do have a CA recruit coming in (and not sure if Robinson has qualified for NJ residency or if he's still officially VA).

I could also be behind in my understanding ... wouldn't be the first or last time.

They probably can't offer much of anything for 2019 this late in the game. What they CAN offer is 2020 and beyond -- with Ashnault and Gravina both coming off the books.

The talk on the RU message board is that RUFC will soon be able to offer 9.9 out of state when they become full share members of the B1$....thats when they really make their move from perennial top 10 (11th place) to really inside the top 10

 

[dicemen99]

RU has been 9.9 fully funded (both in or oos) for at least 1 and possibly 2 years now. That is no longer an issue for them.

 

[jack66]

I believe he will enjoy his trip to Iowa -- but he will be reminded how far Iowa is from home. Initial reports indicated that he planned to attend Drexel because of the proximity to home (I assume it's important for family and friends to attend his matches). I believe each of the following variables will come into play with Desanto eventually choosing Rutgers:

1. Proximity to home

2. $$ -- I believe Rutgers has the most to offer -- if I recall, they went to 9.9 ships last year. Thus, they might have some extra money versus the other schools being considered.

3. Work out partners of Suriano and Ashnault -- don't get me wrong, Penn State and Iowa both have similar quality workout partners. But Rutgers also has #1 & #2.

Is Ashnault planning to move up to 149?

 

[a_mshaffer]

As long as you dont need him to win the NC (we don't) then he stops Verk or Berge from mat time that will help them in the long run. Only way to develop the young uns is to get them out there. If it was a hole (see 125 last year), different story. Reality is that if the RSFR wrestle a full year, they will be close to where Oliver will finish ..... and we will be better off for the next three years

Berge will be very good and only problem is Nolf. I think he beats Oliver. We'll see.

 

[dunkej01]

RU has been 9.9 fully funded (both in or oos) for at least 1 and possibly 2 years now. That is no longer an issue for them.

huh, you dont say....I know I read it on the RU forum during the NJ kid ordeal. Guess you cant believe everything you read on the internet

 

[tabenn]

Hope he goes elsewhere. Really don't want to see the sport become AA types transferring to the powers in order to maybe start.

I truly do not see Oliver beating out Berge or Verk--IMOP

 

[jack66]

Throwing true Fr in the line-up isn't ideal, but I'd just as soon go to battle with the team as it is.

We've brought in 3 transfers in the last 3 years and together they totaled 1/2 point at NCAAs. Nor is it clear to me that DeSanto or Oliver will make us better.

Either Verk or Berge should be ready to make us strong at 149, and AS creates an unnecessary logjam at the lightweights, IMO.

BUT, as always, Cael knows best.

 

[tabenn]

All laughs aside ... Cenzo and Teasdale both visited Iowa. IIRC Berge did too.

Im pretty sure Nolf visited Iowa also

 

[El-Jefe]

RU has been 9.9 fully funded (both in or oos) for at least 1 and possibly 2 years now. That is no longer an issue for them.

Thanks -- glad you have better info.

huh, you dont say....I know I read it on the RU forum during the NJ kid ordeal. Guess you cant believe everything you read on the internet

Fight Club forum ... Brad Pitt must be aghast.

 

[El-Jefe]

Im pretty sure Nolf visited Iowa also

True, though he attended nationals at Des Moines and made Iowa City an unofficial side trip. He had an official scheduled but canceled it when he committed to PSU.

In that sense, more of our guys have probably visited Iowa -- many HS athletes take several unofficials before narrowing to their officials list.

 

[horraybeer]

Im pretty sure Nolf visited Iowa also

And he was going to sign but his mom forced him to go to Penn State.

 

[jack66]

Im pretty sure Nolf visited Iowa also

Doesn't Strittmatter make sure all his top wrestlers visit Iowa?

 

[dunkej01]

when it comes to recruiting, I get twisted as to why kids dont take all the (free) visits that can come their way. See all there is too see. Experience all there is to experience. They have one shot at this type of treatment, so in my mind why not.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Doesn't Strittmatter make sure all his top wrestlers visit Iowa?

Yes, the secret is out now.

 

[tabenn]

Doesn't Strittmatter make sure all his top wrestlers visit Iowa?

its seems so--the Iowa pipeline!

 

[tabenn]

And he was going to sign but his mom forced him to go to Penn State.

pretty sure that is fake news

 

[Ian]

JLee, Verk, and Berge will be outstanding in 2019/20 as will Joseph, Hall, and Brooks. Team continues to roll and will be better at 125/33 and 197/285, too. Good times ahead!

 

[jtothemfp]

when it comes to recruiting, I get twisted as to why kids dont take all the (free) visits that can come their way. See all there is too see. Experience all there is to experience. They have one shot at this type of treatment, so in my mind why not.

I'm 100% with you, Dunk.

Counterpoint, inquiry: where does the Get In Early approach fit, for you? Examples being the Lee Bros from Indy. Did they improve their chances to reach their goals by committing in 10th & 11th grade and abdicating their HSSR years to move & train? Put another way, with your & my view toward consuming all the free visits, is it possible they would have experienced lost opportunity cost at Penn State if they had not verbal'd so early and if they had maxed out the recruiting game to postpone a decision until after 5 official visits? Might they have irrevocably lost the inside track at a PSU lineup spot, or worse: a scholarship oppty?

Thanks for taking my call, I'll now hang up & listen.

 

[tabenn]

I'm 100% with you, Dunk.

Counterpoint, inquiry: where does the Get In Early approach fit, for you? Examples being the Lee Bros from Indy. Did they improve their chances to reach their goals by committing in 10th & 11th grade and abdicating their HSSR years to move & train? Put another way, with your & my view toward consuming all the free visits, is it possible they would have experienced lost opportunity cost at Penn State if they had not verbal'd so early and if they had maxed out the recruiting game to postpone a decision until after 5 official visits? Might they have irrevocably lost the inside track at a PSU lineup spot, or worse: a scholarship oppty?

Thanks for taking my call, I'll now hang up & listen.

I think for some kids--for what ever reason--they want to go to a certain school period-Im thinking that is the case for THE LEE boys..coming early I believe helps with instate T--just a thought

 

[Ban Basketball]

I'm always a believer in teams going in cycles based solely on the talent available, versus "the program is in decline," or "this program is on the rise," but CMU is really in a slump as of late, given that they were a top ten team at one time.

But, consistent with what I say, a few good recruits, and they're back into the conversation.

 

[nitlion6]

I'm always a believer in teams going in cycles based solely on the talent available, versus "the program is in decline," or "this program is on the rise," but CMU is really in a slump as of late, given that they were a top ten team at one time.

But, consistent with what I say, a few good recruits, and they're back into the conversation.

They were on their run when Casey was part of the program's staff and several residual years afterwards.

 

[nitlion6]

huh, you dont say....I know I read it on the RU forum during the NJ kid ordeal. Guess you cant believe everything you read on the internet

Especially if what you are reading on the internet is what Rutgers' athletic fans perceive as their truth.

 

[RVARZR]

We already have two strong prospects that have been paying their dues and it is their time to have a shot.

 

[horraybeer]

pretty sure that is fake news

Thought the emojii expressed that.