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Serious question Ned,
In the end why do you think schools like Stanford have sailing teams?
Why would a school have a team for athletes in sports that only exist in elite wealthy high schools?
Unless there are some old fishing villages where young girls like Disney's Moana exist and can rise to the top.
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We need a Supermodel 101 Class. It would be a way better sport than sailing.
I watched it last night and thought it was interesting. I could not tell from news accounts how the district attorney was determining who to charge and why the jail time seemed to so different. This documentary provided a better understanding of each persons level of involvement and knowledge about how the scheme worked. In my opinion, the schools that were involved came out looking bad and there should be a deeper investigation on who benefitted the most from these side doors. As you mentioned, the sailing coach plowed all of the "donations" back into the athletic department and did not gain financially. As opposed to the USC Coordinator who was on retainer for $2000/month.
I can’t believe Rick Singer is not in jail or at least severely fined. He’s the key person who drives the entire program.
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I will have to watch to see if my opinion changes. I just thought it was a little unfair to prosecute the parents when the real criminals were the fixers and the schools.
Title IX requires that schools give 'ships to boys and girls. Setting aside the notion that we no longer recognize gender (Title IX isn't woke yet) schools need to invent sports to offset 85 scholarships for football. Archery, box lacrosse, sailing, rowing, etc. I know of girls that sit on the end of the bench for four years in woman's Basketball just so the school can get their 'ship numbers in. So, if this is the case, why not just "sell" woman's 'ships to the highest bidder? That is what is going on.
Money corrupts but that doesn't mean you toss the system. I knew many athletes in non-rev sports that worked their butts off to compete. That type of discipline translates off the field and in life. The D1 model is as good as the people implementing it but its not surprising wealthy people corrupted university staff. But that doesn't mean we automatically conflate the situation into a gender equity argument -- too intellectually lazy imho.
There are plenty of sports for scholarships.
Besides the scholarship isn't even in question here. It is admission despite lower academics.
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If as a parent some tells you for $10k I can get your kid into the school of your dreams, why not? I just don't see what actual crime they committed. The people setting things up are the ones committing fraud in my eyes.
I don't think Aunt Becky deserved jail time for she and her husband did. Call it a donation.
I don't believe that is true. In this case, the girl was given a ship to participate in rowing while she had close to zero experience. I do agree that some people get ships with no athletic capabilities to lower the costs...but in the case of these two stars, money was not the issue. They just wanted to side-step the academic hurdles and guarantee admission. So it is both. But someone asked why the schools even give out these 'ships to women's sports and the answer is Title IX.
Equal Rights For Women In University Sports Programs.
The most storied athletic university in the United States, UCLA, has also been affected by Title IX laws. UCLA has won more NCAA national champions than any
www.athleticscholarships.net
They eventually copped to a lower charge but here is the explanation from NPR:
Eleven defendants, including actress Lori Loughlin, were charged Tuesday by a grand jury in Boston with conspiring to commit federal program bribery by paying employees at the University of Southern California to admit the defendants' children as athletic recruits or other favored admissions categories. One of those parents, John Wilson of Lynnfield, Mass., is charged with two additional counts of bribery conspiracy for allegedly paying to get his children admitted to Harvard University and Stanford University.
Seven university coaches and other university officials also face new charges
of conspiring to commit mail and wire fraud as well as honest services mail and wire fraud. Three of them — former USC athletics administrator Donna Heinel, former Georgetown tennis coach Gordon Ernst, and former UCLA men's soccer coach Jorge Salcedo — face additional charges of committing federal program bribery.
New Charges Against Lori Loughlin And 10 Other Parents In Admissions Case
New federal charges were filed Tuesday against a total of 18 defendants accused of being part of a conspiracy to cheat their children into top colleges.
www.npr.org
The balancing for the major men's sports extends to the band. I had a boss who looked much younger than he was who was visiting his daughter at a major D1 program. At the end of a football game, he wandered down to the field and being a little bored while he was waiting for his daughter, as well as being in the college band himself, started picking up the band stuff.
After he did this a couple more times, and not expecting anything for it, the band 'adopted' him, flew him to away games, put him in the yearbook band photo, and even offered to fly him to a bowl game. He had to turn the last thing down as he was working and couldn't take vacation.
After the second year, one of the band managers asked him 'Haven't you graduated yet?'
The money spent on football and basketball was and is ridiculous, so if someone in some other sport can get an education, I don't think that's the worst thing going on at college campuses.
I started watching the documentary. It seems the guy began as a college admissions coach. While it evolved to some extremes, it has always been those with money often get the best advice. Even with that, some including those providing the service can take this to an extreme.
I always assumed that the kids of big money donors got preferential admission to that school. Does that not happen anymore leaving wealthy people whose kids can’t get in legitimately to look for special athletic admissions loopholes?
Read Cheaters’s Game by Paul Levine, a PSU alum. It’s a funny look at the subject and the newest of the James Lassiter series. I highly recommend. Lassiter is an attorney in Miami and former PSU LINEBACKER who graduated in the top half of the bottom third of his class at the U after a brief NFL career with the Dolphins. There are lots of PSU and Paterno references. His books are great fun.
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