as well as the ability to recover and do it again the next day.
But...90 minutes? Try 360.
Kentucky Derby winner fails drug test
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But...90 minutes? Try 360.
Been that way for a while. Best trainers equals best chemist.
They did have a guy on our local radio station (with a scientific background) who noted that the amount/concentration in question is equivalent to a grain of salt in an Olympic sized swimming pool. BTW, a picogram is very small. A picogram is 10 to the -12th power: 0.0000000000001 (or one trillionth of a gram), and a gram is .035 of an ounce. It's amazing it's even detectable in those amounts.
Dad was probably hanging around a breeding shed and mom was probably knocked up by yet another father and too busy with her own troubles to care.
bwifan
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Something that I have been questioning from the beginning even before this news broke, why would Baffert have his best jockey riding on the a complete long shot not one of the more favorite horses he had running in the race? Doesn't add up to me...
Velazquez rode him in his last two races, and is one of the best in the business. I would have been surprised if Baffert had gone elsewhere.
Medina Spirit was the only Baffert horse in the Derby. Most people had a horse of his called "Life is Good" pencilled in as the major player until he came up with an ankle chip before the Santa Anita Derby and was scratched from that as well as the KY Derby. Life is Good was undefeated, three wins in three starts having just won the San Felipe, G2 stakes race at Santa Anita under who? Mike Smith.
And Footbal, So and So tested positive. See you in three weeks, let's never speak of this again.
So I see Baffert has just announced that the horse had in fact received a product (Otamax) containing the steroid. It’s listed right on the label in big print as an api. So now the defense is “new/recent rule” that is “too strict” and the drug provided “no benefit”.
Others were doping in that era, too, but Armstrong was better at it, just as he was better at riding. His crime wasn't so much doping, but more the way he doubled down lying about it. That, and not being French.
This isn't Baffert's first time with a doping issue. Justify failed a drug test after the Santa Anita Derby, but was allowed to run the Triple Crown. I think the California officials felt the banned substance was from the horse's feed as there were other horses in other barns that also tested positive. More recently he was suspended 15 days in Arkansas for 2 positive tests but successfully appealed it.
...not just lying about it, being an absolutely vicious prick to anyone who even thought about challenging him. That's really his unforgiveable offense in my book. You're right - everybody was doping in his era, and he did stuff that really did capture the imagination at a competitive level (eg, his "cyclocross" run down the mountain after avoiding the Beloki crash at Le Rochette, "the look," and his attack after the handlebar musette crash).
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It’s nearly impossible, to race a horse without injecting them with anti-inflammatory drugs. The drug is not intended to build muscle or improve endurance, it simply allows the horse to run and not be in any kind of discomfort. In 2012 Doug O’Neil had a super colt named “I’ll Have Another”. He won the Kentucky Derby and Preakness in dramatic fashion and was considered a heavy favorite going into the Belmont Stakes. The NYRA forced O’Neil to divulge medical records which showed that the horse had early stages of osteoarthritis. O’Neil
argued that the horse was going to be retired after the Belmont, however, if he was to run he would need to be injected with an anti-inflammatory drug and synthetic joint fluid in both front knees. The NYRA said no and O’Neil scratched the horse. Doug O’Neil said there was no doubt in his mind that the colt could have run without any issue whatsoever. The owner J. P. Reddam was offered 10 million for breeding right options, if he ran in the Belmont and won the TC he would have been offered 100 million.
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I don't view that as a greater offense. When Frankie Andreau is caught doping his move was what about Lance. When Landis gets caught it was what about Lance. All those guys were doping and turning on the biggest star to help your case is really chicken$h!t in my book. You did the crime do the time don't implicate others.
Boy, I don't even know what to say to that, other than perhaps to refer you to the Scranton "Black Hand" thread elsewhere on the board.
Was it unjust when those guys got caught before Lance in some weird equitable sense? Sure (though I'm pretty confident that Floyd was stupid enough to get caught without any help from anyone else). But then, if a guy had a rep for one of his sponsors talk about taking a baseball bat to my wife's head, I'd be talking. Same as if I was a serious journalist and wrote a serious piece about doping, and got treated to nine years of libel litigation. Or if I was a decent clean rider of moderate talent who found myself with an opportunity to get in a breakaway, only to be "joined" in that break by Lance, thereby dooming its chances, until I slinked back to the peloton. Or maybe if I was a guy of tremendous talent, who could no longer keep up with a doped peloton and got mocked and prosecuted in the process, that is, if I hadn't offed myself first.
Lance is the posterboy for that age old question: an evil person who does some good, or a good person who does some evil? I am firmly in the former camp. Perhaps he's changed a bit - I'm not really in a position to judge that today, but in my experience fundamental changes at the core are pretty rare indeed.
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I don't believe that in that time or now that any riders are clean. It is nearly impossible for a grand tour rider to take the punishment that these guys take without help. To me they were all equally evil. When the money was gone for those who got caught used the fame of Lance Armstrong to try to get themselves paid. There are no "good guys" in the doping story. It was just like the guys that turned in the Astros but only after they left. They claimed they were tortured by the deceit but only said something after it benefitted their situation.
I just can't give someone redemption for doing the right thing only when it benefits them. If you are doing the right thing at your own peril then you are doing something noble.
Medina will run in Preak.
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'We Cannot Make Things Up As We Go Along': Agreement Reached For Medina Spirit To Run In Preakness - Horse Racing News | Paulick Report
1/ST RACING and the Maryland Jockey Club announced Tuesday that Medina Spirit will be permitted to enter into the 146th Preakness Stakes (G1) to be run on Saturday, May 15, with rigorous conditions to entry along with a binding commitment from Bob Baffert to full transparency of medical and...
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He rides the edge of legality, like many do. Most people don't bet or follow the horse game until the big races. He's not the only one but you win the big one, stand by for whatever scrutiny.
Not to bring this up but I will... Baff has so much flesh in the game that certain places can't run without guys like him and a few others. Yes the game is crooked. I don't know about picograms of whatever drug and probably neither does he. He has a general grasp. He has a million asst trainers do this. He wins shit tons of money on races the average person knows nothing about. In short, guys like him run the game, not the other way around. I don't like the guy but who cares what I think.
yeah, I didn't see any indemnity commitment by Baffert in his agreement.Medina will run in Preak.
'We Cannot Make Things Up As We Go Along': Agreement Reached For Medina Spirit To Run In Preakness - Horse Racing News | Paulick Report
1/ST RACING and the Maryland Jockey Club announced Tuesday that Medina Spirit will be permitted to enter into the 146th Preakness Stakes (G1) to be run on Saturday, May 15, with rigorous conditions to entry along with a binding commitment from Bob Baffert to full transparency of medical and...
It’s rough though, that horse had an advantage, it might have been minute, but it did. I don’t really care about horse racing, but you got to think about the second place guys. State college lost in the little league World Series to danny almontes team. Yeah a year later the 12 year olds get their medals, but they didn’t get to play on tv because they got trounced by a kid who drove the team bus to Williamsport.
Just in, Medina Spirit will run in the Preakness. He draws post 3 which is a big advantage. A win here and Belmont Park will be electric. Baffert entered another one of his prized pupils, Concert Tour with HOF jockey Mike Smith. Don’t underestimate Concert Tour, he’s a live horse with fresh legs and will most likely be the odds on favorite at post time. This should be a two horse race but I’ll give Crowded Trade a punchers chance. It looks like D. Wayne Lucas entered a horse named Ram with impeccable breeding @ 30-1 which may be a great Show bet.
Go drop whatever you want on whatever horse you want. People get all riled up about cheating or whatever....they hold back, they dope, they scratch out of bad situations or whatnot. Bet it or don't bet it. Nobody has any pressure on you.
Somebody has to win and it's not always the favorite. Go for it.
Somebody has to win and it's not always the favorite. Go for it.
