Per track he certified as of this morning at 125lbs! Hopefully we see him tomorrow vs Maryland.
Kuhn Certified!
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Cool, good news I guess. I happen to be one of the apparent few that was fine putting young Mr. Schupp out there and letting him do his best (which he is), but I'm also fine with Carson Kuhn wanting to get one more shot and if he's doing what he needs to be a member of the team and he's clearly our best shot, then I'm looking forward to seeing him tomorrow.
If Schnupp has the flu, my guess is Carson goes regardless of any wrestle offs.
It's Track, so this prolly won't work, but here goes nothing:
http://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/se...twSessionId=xpnlsgdvezavxcl&loadBalanced=true
Nope. I tried
It's Track, so this prolly won't work, but here goes nothing:
http://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/se...twSessionId=xpnlsgdvezavxcl&loadBalanced=true
Nope. I tried
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What is the date and title of the article on that page, that covers the Kuhn news? Thanks
Here's a screenshot--I had to add the animation to satisfy Giphy's terrible taste.
I would guess it depends on what he weighed at certification with respect to the descent rules.
Maybe someone here knows the answer, but I'd guess that we won't know until Cael answers the question without coachspeak.
Interesting that this chart shows Schnupp at 133 lbs. He seems like a small 125 let alone a 133.Here's a screenshot--I had to add the animation to satisfy Giphy's terrible taste.
No idea what he weighed, but isn't the weekly reduction 1.5% per week. He had best been close or he could run out of time.
Just a side note. This has to be a serious consideration in Iowa City concerning their possible grad transfer 184 pounder.
I mentioned this on the PBP Maryland thread and was told I was wrong. I'd like someone that KNOWS answer this..
My take with tracks certification was that the weights you see in the above attachment were the weights the kids weighed in at on certification day. So if Schnupp certified at 133 back in October or whenever he did it, that means he weighed in anywhere from 125.1-133. So if he weighed in exactly at 128 he would be on tracks site at 133 and then he can descend down from there. If Schnupp would have weighed 125 or under, it would show 125 on tracks site.
Am I wrong? That's how I always took the screenshot above.
Basically my opinion is that if it shows Kuhn at 125 on tracks site, he had to have weighed in at 125 or below. If he was 126 it would show up at 133 on tracks site and then he would have to descend.
Roar?
My take with tracks certification was that the weights you see in the above attachment were the weights the kids weighed in at on certification day. So if Schnupp certified at 133 back in October or whenever he did it, that means he weighed in anywhere from 125.1-133. So if he weighed in exactly at 128 he would be on tracks site at 133 and then he can descend down from there. If Schnupp would have weighed 125 or under, it would show 125 on tracks site.
Am I wrong? That's how I always took the screenshot above.
Basically my opinion is that if it shows Kuhn at 125 on tracks site, he had to have weighed in at 125 or below. If he was 126 it would show up at 133 on tracks site and then he would have to descend.
Roar?
Without knowing his exact weight during the certification process, I can't answer your question. Here's the two possibilities, with high confidence that #2 is it based on what I know;
#1 Carson was fully hydrated, and weighed in at 125.0, or less than 125.0, in which case he would have been eligible to wrestle 125 immediately.
#2 Carson was fully hydrated, and weighed in at 125.1, or more, in which case he must follow the descent plan given by the OPC (Optimal Performance Calculator).
NOTE: Being certified at 125, and weighing 125 at certification are entirely different animals...hope that helps. The certified weight listed on track is the lowest weight class each wrestler can wrestle based on math (actual weight - what the wrestler can safely lose to get to 5% body fat)...and is not what is described above. Certified weight does not change.
You are most likely correct, but there is no hard and fast rule for it. The initial weight classes are set by the input-er and most do it the way you outlined, but I have seen them not entered this way. At least as of last year, I'm not sure if this year there were any guidelines introduced.
But the way you described is usually how I take it as well, with a grain of salt.
The NOTE part is the key Sir Pish. You do NOT have to weigh 125 or less when you certify at 125.
So In HS, the weight that shows on that screen shot is the weight they're eligible for the day they certify. As time goes and their weight plans allow for loss, their lowest allowable weight changes, but on the roster, their initial eligible weight is always what shows. Both HS and College go through track and have the same look so I assume that’s the same for both.
This would mean that Schnupp initially weighed more than 125 at certification but was allowed by to eventually go down and that Kuhn was eligible for 125 immediately
This is my understanding as well. I assume they waited to certify Kuhn until he was at weight since there is little time to implement a descent plan.
This is EXACTLY what I posted the other day and had 3 people Loling telling me I had no clue.
Cael said something about earning his spot--maybe they want to do a wrestle off with Schnupp, or maybe it has to do with dodgeball. Whatever the system, it works, man.
Because he was not down to weight yet. He is going to try for this week but nothing for sure.
I am not trying to be argumentative, but as someone above said Track said he was at weight, right? In the example Schnupp certified at 133 but the weight plan allowed a descent to 125. Kuhn certified right at 125, so doesn't that mean he weighed 125 at a hydrated state, right?
Just trying to understand, but afterwards it us up to the coaches anyway...
Does anyone know the last time he actually got some mat time? Wonder how his conditioning will be.
The initial rumor said that there was a transfer working out with the NLWC. Don't know if that part of the rumor is true, and if so, for how long he might have been working out there, but it's possible he was working out on campus before the transfer was complete via the NLWC.
Track doesn't say that at all. It only states that Carson is eligible for 125, or he's certified 125 (certified would be the official term). Assuming what I heard is correct, he's on a descent plan.
This is the part that is confusing me as well as others. Schnupp is on there at 133. Kuhn is there at 125. What is the cause for the discrepnancy. In other words, they both are 125..but one shows 133 and one shows 125
I could see that. Aside from all of the other possible factors mentioned, Cael doesn’t seem to be the type to say "Well Devin, thanks for everything, but Carson certified, it's his spot now." Schnupp has busted his hump over the past couple of months for the program, and yeah, taken some lumps along the way. He had a real shot at beating the Maryland kid, Cael gave him the deserved opportunity, and he damn near pulled it off.
Someone brought this up on a different thread and I really didn't see any discussion on it, so since this is a Kuhn thread, I figured I would bring it up again. It seemed to made sense to me. Here goes:
Does it make any sense to wrestle Kuhn in the next four duals? He'll face Lizak, Suriano, NaTo and Spencer - I don't think anyone here has any belief he has any realistic chance of winning one of those matches (maybe an outside chance against Lizak).
Does it make more sense to wrestle him in open tournaments during those duals (a la Nick Nevills two years ago)? This would give the coaches an opportunity to better assess his strengths and weaknesses prior to the tournaments separate from the grinder the next four duals will present whoever goes for PSU at 125. If they went this route I would bring him back for the Buffalo dual.
Thoughts?
Does it make any sense to wrestle Kuhn in the next four duals? He'll face Lizak, Suriano, NaTo and Spencer - I don't think anyone here has any belief he has any realistic chance of winning one of those matches (maybe an outside chance against Lizak).
Does it make more sense to wrestle him in open tournaments during those duals (a la Nick Nevills two years ago)? This would give the coaches an opportunity to better assess his strengths and weaknesses prior to the tournaments separate from the grinder the next four duals will present whoever goes for PSU at 125. If they went this route I would bring him back for the Buffalo dual.
Thoughts?
If he wins the wrestle-off, he needs to wrestle as much as possible over the next couple of weeks. Wrestle him against Minnesota and Rutgers if there are no open tournaments. He needs mat time after not wrestling much over the last couple of years. I believe there are more open tournaments the first few weekends in February. Send him to the opens to get 3-5 matches, and let devin wrestle in the duals vs. OSU and Iowa.
I would wrestle my post-season lineup the last dual meet of the year against Buffalo.
I would like to see him get 9-12 matches over the next month, aka two open tournaments and 2-3 duals
Tomasello teched Lizak. Wrestling Kuhn against TOSU might save one bonus point, might. But I suppose that could end up being the difference.
Here is a list of all the open tournaments remaining, that I could find:
January 27th-Appalachian Open (Appalachian State) @ Boone, North Carolina
February 3rd-Edinboro Open (Arizona State, Eastern Michigan, Edinboro, Navy) @ Edinboro, Pennsylvania
February 18th-Western National Open (Cal Poly) @ Colorado Springs, Colorado
February 25th- National Collegiate Open @ Dover, Delaware
Edinboro is the highest probability of him attending to get additional matches, however it is the same day as Ohio State.
Do want him to go into Big-10s with a 1 - 4 record. Is the goal to get him to qualify for NCAAs? Wrestling four of the top five/six wrestlers and the kid from Buffalo is not going to help that situation.
January 27th-Appalachian Open (Appalachian State) @ Boone, North Carolina
February 3rd-Edinboro Open (Arizona State, Eastern Michigan, Edinboro, Navy) @ Edinboro, Pennsylvania
February 18th-Western National Open (Cal Poly) @ Colorado Springs, Colorado
February 25th- National Collegiate Open @ Dover, Delaware
Edinboro is the highest probability of him attending to get additional matches, however it is the same day as Ohio State.
Do want him to go into Big-10s with a 1 - 4 record. Is the goal to get him to qualify for NCAAs? Wrestling four of the top five/six wrestlers and the kid from Buffalo is not going to help that situation.
I'd love to see him at Edinboro Open but personally would rather see him at tOSU dual to hopefully save a point or 2. I think it's doubtful at this point he gets an allocation spot at B1Gs so he going to have to "steal" one to qualify for NCAA's
So with all that said..I'd like to see him in all our remaining duals, and if there happens to be no duals, then let him wrestle an open tournament
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