Kyle Snyder to the UFC
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Looks like he will continue his wrestling career for now. This appears to be a plan for the future.
I would want to continue wrestling but I want to do both at the same time," Snyder revealed.
"I want to pursue my wrestling career, wrestle in World Championships and the Olympic games, but if the scheduling could work out and I can become an elite fighter, then I want to fight in the UFC as well.
"Hopefully, sometime soon — not soon as in like this year or something like that — but within the next couple of years when I get my grounds in this sport," Snyder said.
"Like I said, I want to do both. I don't know if anyone's ever done that. I don't even know if the UFC would let you do that, but I want to fight in the UFC and I want to wrestle in the World and Olympic championships at the same time."
"I want to pursue my wrestling career, wrestle in World Championships and the Olympic games, but if the scheduling could work out and I can become an elite fighter, then I want to fight in the UFC as well.
"Hopefully, sometime soon — not soon as in like this year or something like that — but within the next couple of years when I get my grounds in this sport," Snyder said.
"Like I said, I want to do both. I don't know if anyone's ever done that. I don't even know if the UFC would let you do that, but I want to fight in the UFC and I want to wrestle in the World and Olympic championships at the same time."
Will the NCAA allow him to fight in UFC for money and still wrestle in college? Pretty sure he could do UFC and the OTC at the same time, though.
I imagine Snyder will be asked to clarify his statement because the way it was written up it sounds like he's trying to have his cake and eat it too, and I doubt he meant to convey that he wants to ditch D1 for the UFC "immediately," as the headline implies. I can't imagine the NCAA is going to be on board with a collegiate wrestler making money in a sport so many collegiate wrestlers ultimately graduate to. I don't know what the NCAA's precise basis or stance would be though.
I guess Snyder could train UFC, train FS, and somehow show up for the occasional dual meet for Tom like last year. Training both UFC and FS would seem to be a full enough plate. I think it's more likely that Snyder walks this back though and says that UFC is a long-term goal.
I guess Snyder could train UFC, train FS, and somehow show up for the occasional dual meet for Tom like last year. Training both UFC and FS would seem to be a full enough plate. I think it's more likely that Snyder walks this back though and says that UFC is a long-term goal.
He might find time to show up for the occasional class with that schedule.
El-Jefe answered the question, using Pico as the example. Sign with an agent and his NCAA career is done.
Thanks. That's what I thought, but wasn't sure if I had missed a policy change by the NCAA that would have allowed this. However, it IS tOSU, so maybe they make up some kind of exemption
There isn't an amount of money I would accept to get punched in the face by Kyle Snyder. He looks like he could fight.
Please don't become a lay & pray, Ben Askren-type, though.
Please don't become a lay & pray, Ben Askren-type, though.
That's because pico has accepted sponsors. He's supposed to be fighting in bellatore soon but I believe he still wants to wrestle as well
While I would love to see Snyder in a college singlet again wouldn't he be better served taking the dollars at this point. I would not bet against him in 4 years but that's a long time and any numbers of things can threaten his ability to repeat. Would seem he should pick ripe fruit if you will. He may lose his free tanning appointments but I would think he could afford to pay for them.
If Kyle signs a contract, then he is done. I don't think he will until he finishes at tO$U.
I know I'm just saying pico was college ineligible a while before he signed that contract
Here's a detailed article from InterMat.com on Kyle Snyder wanting to compete in the UFC.
http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16772?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16772?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I thought you lost eligibility when you received endorsements. There are plenty of football players who have played professional baseball. It does get a bit tricky considering the sports betting different but similar. If I remember correctly Jeremy Bloom could not ski and play football because the money he received for skiing was considered like an endorsement.
What does he have to prove in college? He has won everything. A team title, an individual title, a gold medal, world champion. He needs to cash in. Noes his time. Go for it! No one would blame you. Move on and he will win the belt, too.
Wants to help his team...plus being the first 3x hwt champ would be nice
I don't think the money earned in events was the issue with Bloom. I am fairly certain Bloom was good enough with skis that he earned millions of endorsement money. As we all know, it's AOK for NCAA adults to make money from the efforts of kids playing sports, but those same kids are to earn nuttin' honey and b thankful.
I don't believe he would be the first 3x HWT Champion. Didn't Jimmy Jackson of OSU and Haselrig of UPJ both do this?
Jeremy Bloom received endorsements as a professional skier, to help with preparing for the Olympics, iirc. At the time, the NCAA rule was that receiving money in one sport affected eligibility in all sports, so he lost his football eligibility after a court case. The rule has since been changed.
Re. Snyder...here's some of the rules, keeping in mind that the rulebook section on amateurism is lengthy, and there's a lot more that what I've posted here;
12.1.2 Amateur Status. An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual: (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10)
(a) Uses his or her athletics skill (directly or indirectly) for pay in any form in that sport;
(b) Accepts a promise of pay even if such pay is to be received following completion of intercollegiate athletics participation;
(c) Signs a contract or commitment of any kind to play professional athletics, regardless of its legal enforceability or any consideration received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.5.1;
(d) Receives, directly or indirectly, a salary, reimbursement of expenses or any other form of financial assistance from a professional sports organization based on athletics skill or participation, except as permitted by NCAA rules and regulations;
(e) Competes on any professional athletics team per Bylaw 12.02.10, even if no pay or remuneration for expenses was received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.3.2.1;
(f ) After initial full-time collegiate enrollment, enters into a professional draft (see Bylaw 12.2.4); or
(g) Enters into an agreement with an agent.
12.3 Use of Agents
12.3.1 General Rule. An individual shall be ineligible for participation in an intercollegiate sport if he or she ever has agreed (orally or in writing) to be represented by an agent for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation in that sport. Further, an agency contract not specifically limited in writing to a sport or particular sports shall be deemed applicable to all sports, and the individual shall be ineligible to participate in any sport.
Re. Snyder...here's some of the rules, keeping in mind that the rulebook section on amateurism is lengthy, and there's a lot more that what I've posted here;
12.1.2 Amateur Status. An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual: (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10)
(a) Uses his or her athletics skill (directly or indirectly) for pay in any form in that sport;
(b) Accepts a promise of pay even if such pay is to be received following completion of intercollegiate athletics participation;
(c) Signs a contract or commitment of any kind to play professional athletics, regardless of its legal enforceability or any consideration received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.5.1;
(d) Receives, directly or indirectly, a salary, reimbursement of expenses or any other form of financial assistance from a professional sports organization based on athletics skill or participation, except as permitted by NCAA rules and regulations;
(e) Competes on any professional athletics team per Bylaw 12.02.10, even if no pay or remuneration for expenses was received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.3.2.1;
(f ) After initial full-time collegiate enrollment, enters into a professional draft (see Bylaw 12.2.4); or
(g) Enters into an agreement with an agent.
12.3 Use of Agents
12.3.1 General Rule. An individual shall be ineligible for participation in an intercollegiate sport if he or she ever has agreed (orally or in writing) to be represented by an agent for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation in that sport. Further, an agency contract not specifically limited in writing to a sport or particular sports shall be deemed applicable to all sports, and the individual shall be ineligible to participate in any sport.
Do we have any clarification on whether Snyder has stepped over the line between eligible for college competition or not? No indication about an agent so far?
If he feels he can make some good money from UFC, I don't begrudge him moving on. He has been an outstanding college wrestler as well as international champion.
If he feels he can make some good money from UFC, I don't begrudge him moving on. He has been an outstanding college wrestler as well as international champion.
It doesn't look like he eats cake.
Didnt we read something from an interview that Snyder did a lot of course work last year on line due to his competition and training schedule. At least in the fall, then he was back on campus in the spring? Could be wrong with my memory.
Have taken a lot of online courses...good luck going in class at a major university if you are a full time worker. IMO, this is where education is headed. Kind of like online dating, it used to be made fun of until a lot of private universities started making a lot of $$$ from the market. Now, it's not unusual to see whole master's degrees from a traditional.
Works great for athletes too.
Am I reading it correctly that Snyder could logically argue that MMA is a different sport from wrestling, and therefore he should still be allowed to wrestle in college?
And am I reading it correctly that if Pico's agreement with his agent had clearly stated that the agency was for MMA and boxing only,
Then Pico would have been able to logically argue that MMA and boxing are different from wrestling, and therefore Pico's having an agent would not disqualify him from wrestling in college?
Good questions. Answers normally come from appeals, arbitrations, and lawsuits for such things, but I'll give an opinion...there's enough commonality between the 2 sports (MMA & wrestling) that I can understand the association (i.e. get an agent in MMA, and your college wrestling career is over). Note I said "understand".
The Jeremy Bloom case would play out completely differently today, as there is no skill-set relationship between skiing and football.
Anyone else notice that the NCAA is losing power/authority in lots of areas? Slowly, I know, but happening none-the-less, imo.
Yes. Emmert recently begged fans of other sports to buy football tickets.
Was along the lines of: football funds everything else, so the best way to support the golf team is to buy football tickets.
Regardless of the person, and whatever the merits of that claim: incredible that the NCAA President is begging for football sales.
I believe that the issue with Jeremy Bloom, & Pico, was and is the issue of sponsorship money and any money, perks, etc. that an agent might or did give out. The issue wasn't difference in sports. There have been guys that have played minor league baseball and were able to later play a different NCAA sport. I'm guessing that they did not get any money from endorsements or agents.
