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If PSU can find a quarterback, this team could have a special year next year, and the biggest reason for that is the 2017 and 2018 classes are living up to their billing.

2017: Almost every man in the class is contributing already, and a third of them are all-B1G caliber or showing all-B1G potential. Could be one of the great classes in PSU history if they stay healthy.

Gross-Matos -- best looking young DL at PSU in a really long time
Castro-Fields -- one of those corners you don't know how good he is because the ball never goes to his man; his tackling is still a weakness but improving.
Mike Miranda -- ready to be a B1G starter.
Hamler...the whole package -- speed, quickness, great ball skills, intelligence and toughness. Deon Butler type player with a higher ceiling.
Brooks -- has learned a lot this year and becoming an instinctive player; some may disagree but I think he's got all-B1G potential if he can get a little bigger and stronger.
Sutherland -- probably a three year starter at safety. Very tough and very intelligent player.
Others -- you could menttion just about everyone in the class, but Donovan Johnson, Holmes and Thorpe, Journey Brown, C S-Brown and Cliff have all looked like B1G players to me.

2018: we know less because most are redshirting, but still:

Friermuth -- I don't recall PSU ever having a true freshmen TE who could do all that Friermuth does at a high level. A real credit to him and to Tyler Bowen. This guy is already a real thorn for B1G defenses -- and contributes as much to the running game as the passing game.
Dotson -- Already, one of the players you would trust to make a game saving catch at the end of a game.
Parsons -- right on track, excellent freshman season, will be all-B1G or better next year -- ceiling is incredible.
Slade -- like Parsons, really good solid freshman season, has made really good progress in adapting to the physical college game. I thought he'd be a scatback but he runs well inside. Got to credit the position coach, Seider. I could see Slade blowing up next year because he'll be quite a bit stronger and hopefully more of a receiving target.
Mustipher, Oweh, Luketa, Tarburton -- had to play early but in limited action proved themselves; Oweh of course is spectacularly athletic. All will be in the rotation next year if they stay healthy.
George -- gotten so much less attention than Dotson and Shorter but he has great size and looks ready to play at a high level next year.
 
Friermuth was the biggest surprise of this class offensively, anyway. I am trying to think who had similar impact as a freshman TE, and the only guy I can come up with is Jesse James, who enrolled early. I think Friermuth is a more complete TE than James was, certainly as a freshman.
Defensively, Parsons made significantly more of an impact than I would have expected for a guy learning a new position( s ). Brooks also played better than I expected. I think there is something to be said for recruiting mostly dedicated position players. Too many project players on a roster usually means it takes longer for guys to contribute and they have a shorter duration of impact when they are ready.
 
Friermuth was the biggest surprise of this class offensively, anyway. I am trying to think who had similar impact as a freshman TE, and the only guy I can come up with is Jesse James, who enrolled early. I think Friermuth is a more complete TE than James was, certainly as a freshman.
Defensively, Parsons made significantly more of an impact than I would have expected for a guy learning a new position( s ). Brooks also played better than I expected. I think there is something to be said for recruiting mostly dedicated position players. Too many project players on a roster usually means it takes longer for guys to contribute and they have a shorter duration of impact when they are ready.
Freiermuth is a better blocker today than James ever was at Penn State, and he’s probably just as good a receiver.
 
Friermuth was the biggest surprise of this class offensively, anyway. I am trying to think who had similar impact as a freshman TE, and the only guy I can come up with is Jesse James, who enrolled early. I think Friermuth is a more complete TE than James was, certainly as a freshman.
Defensively, Parsons made significantly more of an impact than I would have expected for a guy learning a new position( s ). Brooks also played better than I expected. I think there is something to be said for recruiting mostly dedicated position players. Too many project players on a roster usually means it takes longer for guys to contribute and they have a shorter duration of impact when they are ready.

Indeed! I know others will disagree, but I feel we have gotten to the point of reloading - potentially 3 straight NY6. I knew this year would be an inflections point as so many young players stepping in. We fared darn well. 2 of the losses we brought on ourselves and dominated most of the play. We are in the mix and I can smell the CFP soon.
 
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Indeed! I know others will disagree, but I feel we have gotten to the point of reloading - potentially 3 straight NY6. I knew this year would be an inflections point as so many young players stepping in. We fared darn well. 2 of the losses we brought on ourselves and dominated most of the play. We are in the mix and I can smell the CFP soon.

To an extent I agree. But being relevant and competitive within the CFP, beyond squeaking in as a 3 or 4 seed with one loss, is a huge step. Where we go from here depends largely on the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball.

It was really nice to see the players and staff finish strong. Rahne called a solid, well-balanced game against Maryland. But we dominated at the line of scrimmage. The real test will be how we fare in games when we cannot dominate. We'll get a feel in a few weeks.
 
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To an extent I agree. But being relevant and competitive within the CFP, beyond squeaking in as a 3 or 4 seed with one loss, is a huge step. Where we go from here depends largely on the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball.

It was really nice to see the players and staff finish strong. Rahne called a solid, well-balanced game against Maryland. But we dominated at the line of scrimmage. The real test will be how we fare in games when we cannot dominate. We'll get a feel in a few weeks.

Well, that's really moving the goal posts. Making the playoffs would be a very big step. Let's not worry about the seeding just yet.
 
Well, that's really moving the goal posts. Making the playoffs would be a very big step. Let's not worry about the seeding just yet.

I think you want to be competitive with the higher seeds before making the playoffs. In a subjective system it will affect how you are viewed going forward.

Unfortunately, if you're not in the SEC, and you're not OSU/Michigan/Clemson, then you're subject to higher scrutiny. It is what it is. Brand and previous years shouldn't matter, but they do.
 
Friermuth was the biggest surprise of this class offensively, anyway. I am trying to think who had similar impact as a freshman TE, and the only guy I can come up with is Jesse James, who enrolled early. I think Friermuth is a more complete TE than James was, certainly as a freshman.
Defensively, Parsons made significantly more of an impact than I would have expected for a guy learning a new position( s ). Brooks also played better than I expected. I think there is something to be said for recruiting mostly dedicated position players. Too many project players on a roster usually means it takes longer for guys to contribute and they have a shorter duration of impact when they are ready.
Agree on Brooks. I thought he looked lost out there early in the season, to the point where I thought Luketa might pass him by, but it looked like the light came on for him midway through the season and he’s been solid since.
 
Tommy Stevens is the QB next year if healthy. Franklin is extremely loyal to his players, as Koa Farmer was on the field this year over Parsons and playing Trace one one leg etc.

Tommy stayed when he could have transferred last year and when asked who his biggest recruit was last year, Franklin said "Tommy Stevens." He's played behind Trace for four years, waited his turn and was in a close QB battle with Trace years back. To think that he doesn't at least get the first shot to start next year is insane unless Clifford is Joe Montana and even then he will wait his turn.
 
Tommy Stevens is the QB next year if healthy. Franklin is extremely loyal to his players, as Koa Farmer was on the field this year over Parsons and playing Trace one one leg etc.

Tommy stayed when he could have transferred last year and when asked who his biggest recruit was last year, Franklin said "Tommy Stevens." He's played behind Trace for four years, waited his turn and was in a close QB battle with Trace years back. To think that he doesn't at least get the first shot to start next year is insane unless Clifford is Joe Montana and even then he will wait his turn.

behind Clifford is Levis and two pretty good QBs coming in. doubt if we can keep all these players long term. may even lose one of the incoming QBs to a de-commit just due to the log jam.

We have not seen enough of the current QBs to see who is better passer. However, Stevens is the best runner we have now = much better than Trace.
 
Tommy Stevens is the QB next year if healthy. Franklin is extremely loyal to his players, as Koa Farmer was on the field this year over Parsons and playing Trace one one leg etc.

Tommy stayed when he could have transferred last year and when asked who his biggest recruit was last year, Franklin said "Tommy Stevens." He's played behind Trace for four years, waited his turn and was in a close QB battle with Trace years back. To think that he doesn't at least get the first shot to start next year is insane unless Clifford is Joe Montana and even then he will wait his turn.
Not sure if we've discussed this here, but there's a good comparison between Tommy Stevens and Michael Robinson.

Each a strong, versatile athlete who got some reps at wildcat, etc. and then got the QB job as a senior. Stevens can be an excellent runner, as Robinson was.

Robinson's stats at QB as a senior:
52% completion for 2350 yards
17 TDs and 10 INTs
Ran for a very impressive 806 yards and 11 TDs

Robinson was an outstanding leader, and had the good fortune of being on a 2005 PSU team which had a strong defense. The 2019 defense can also be outstanding.

Can Stevens duplicate the performance Robinson had in 2005, and does that translate to a great year for PSU in 2019?
 
I think you want to be competitive with the higher seeds before making the playoffs. In a subjective system it will affect how you are viewed going forward.

Unfortunately, if you're not in the SEC, and you're not OSU/Michigan/Clemson, then you're subject to higher scrutiny. It is what it is. Brand and previous years shouldn't matter, but they do.
Why would you lump Michigan with those teams....Michigan has never been to the BIG championship game, has 1/2 national title in the last 70 years and hasn't won the BIG championship since 2004 and that was shared. PSU has won 3 since that time even considering the unfair sanctions. The ONLY teams in that upper echelon IMO are Bama, Clemson and tOSU....and I believe PSU has shown over the past 3 years they are right with toSU on the field having outplayed them in 3 consecutive years even though tOSU ended up winning the last 2 via comeback by 1 point. Going forward we will get to see how PSU does with a HUGE talent upgrade as CJF has really upped the recruiting the last 2 years.
 
If Stevens matches Robinson........ PSU would struggle to win more than 7.

Honestly, Robinson couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn....... and was a clueless passer.


Hell of a “tough guy” and - it would appear - a “leader” among the squad...... but he was a fullback playing QB.
If Stevens matches Robinson, can I expect this against Minny next year?

 
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Why would you lump Michigan with those teams....Michigan has never been to the BIG championship game, has 1/2 national title in the last 70 years and hasn't won the BIG championship since 2004 and that was shared. PSU has won 3 since that time even considering the unfair sanctions. The ONLY teams in that upper echelon IMO are Bama, Clemson and tOSU....and I believe PSU has shown over the past 3 years they are right with toSU on the field having outplayed them in 3 consecutive years even though tOSU ended up winning the last 2 via comeback by 1 point. Going forward we will get to see how PSU does with a HUGE talent upgrade as CJF has really upped the recruiting the last 2 years.

Knight is just a casual sports fan who really doesn't know much about college football.
 
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I'm probably most excited to see Friermuth next season. Dam this kid turned out to be a good one. Dominate blocker and legit receiving threat as a true freshmen. Has all American potential
 
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Why would you lump Michigan with those teams....Michigan has never been to the BIG championship game, has 1/2 national title in the last 70 years and hasn't won the BIG championship since 2004 and that was shared. PSU has won 3 since that time even considering the unfair sanctions. The ONLY teams in that upper echelon IMO are Bama, Clemson and tOSU....and I believe PSU has shown over the past 3 years they are right with toSU on the field having outplayed them in 3 consecutive years even though tOSU ended up winning the last 2 via comeback by 1 point. Going forward we will get to see how PSU does with a HUGE talent upgrade as CJF has really upped the recruiting the last 2 years.

Because the context was about bias and not about performance. You think Michigan would have been left out as a conference champion? I don't.
 
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Robinson was probably the most powerful running qb to ever play football. Highly doubt Stevens is comparable

Stevens will turn out to be a better passer. He will make better reads and throw with more touch. But no one will run like Robinson. He was a locomotive.

That's the rub. The best runners don't make the best passers, and vice versa. Even a casual fan can see the reality of this.
 
Because the context was about bias and not about performance. You think Michigan would have been left out as a conference champion? I don't.
With a 39 point loss at Penn State & a 3 pt loss at lets say.... Akron (just to make the comparison fair), I absolutely think MIchigan would have been left out.

I don't care what conference you win, you lose a game by 39 points to anyone, let alone a conference foe... a team that you play every season, along with a non conference loss to a team that finished with 5 losses, you don't deserve to go to any playoff.
 
I like the comparison with MRob. Stevens can be physical in a way that McSorley is not.

I'm not completely sold on Stevens as a passer -- he's got the arm but he just doesn't look comfortable in the pocket reading the field. Defaults to run. That may be what he was expected to do this year. If they're to be successful next year though, Stevens is going to have to hang in the pocket, buy time in the pocket but not bail -- and find the open receiver. You break down a defense by extending a play long enough for your receivers to break open downfield.
 
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If Stevens matches Robinson........ PSU would struggle to win more than 7.

Honestly, Robinson couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn....... and was a clueless passer.


Hell of a “tough guy” and - it would appear - a “leader” among the squad...... but he was a fullback playing QB.

Like they did in in Robinsons 1 loss Senior year and final #3 ranking. That would suck.
 
Not sure if we've discussed this here, but there's a good comparison between Tommy Stevens and Michael Robinson.

Each a strong, versatile athlete who got some reps at wildcat, etc. and then got the QB job as a senior. Stevens can be an excellent runner, as Robinson was.

Robinson's stats at QB as a senior:
52% completion for 2350 yards
17 TDs and 10 INTs
Ran for a very impressive 806 yards and 11 TDs

Robinson was an outstanding leader, and had the good fortune of being on a 2005 PSU team which had a strong defense. The 2019 defense can also be outstanding.

Can Stevens duplicate the performance Robinson had in 2005, and does that translate to a great year for PSU in 2019?

If duplicated it would get PSU into the CFP. When did that last happen?
 
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