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LETS GO USA!!! BEAT MEXICO!!!
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WTF... that field is a disgrace... no wonder Mexico almost pulled out of the match. Did they let cows on the field before the game? I can't believe they are playing on it. Players are slipping all over the place and ball is bouncing around like a super ball.
I wonder how many Americans today understand the war with Mexico
Hate to be the one to say it, but we were the bad guys.
Our "Manifest Destiny" was essentially a land grab by a stronger nation against a weaker nation. We took much of southern and western Texas, the southwest and southern California from Mexico for two very basic and very simple reasons --- we wanted the land and we had the power to do it. Yet most Americans think of the Mexicans as the bad guys because all they know is the romanticized story of the Alamo. In point of fact, the Mexicans were defending their land in the war, not invading our land.
This post is not directed at you fairgambit, but much of our Westward expansion in the 1800's wasn't exactly the way it's been portrayed or is thought to be. Americans have a lot to be proud of and feel good about, but our "Manifest Destiny" is not one of those things and was, in reality, a catch phrase to rationalize lying to, stealing from, and murdering those who got in the way.
Maybe the next time I see a similar "Remember the Maine" comment, I'll pass on some Spanish - American war history lessons --- it was another land grab that was just as bad.
Hate to be the one to say it, but we were the bad guys.
Our "Manifest Destiny" was essentially a land grab by a stronger nation against a weaker nation. We took much of southern and western Texas, the southwest and southern California from Mexico for two very basic and very simple reasons --- we wanted the land and we had the power to do it. Yet most Americans think of the Mexicans as the bad guys because all they know is the romanticized story of the Alamo. In point of fact, the Mexicans were defending their land in the war, not invading our land.
This post is not directed at you fairgambit, but much of our Westward expansion in the 1800's wasn't exactly the way it's been portrayed or is thought to be. Americans have a lot to be proud of and feel good about, but our "Manifest Destiny" is not one of those things and was, in reality, a catch phrase to rationalize lying to, stealing from, and murdering those who got in the way.
Maybe the next time I see a similar "Remember the Maine" comment, I'll pass on some Spanish - American war history lessons --- it was another land grab that was just as bad.
The Alamo was NOT in the Mexican War with the US ....
it was during the Texan Revolution of 1936. The Texas Republic was formed when Santa Ana lost the battle of San Jacinto, and the new republic was eventually annexed by the US in 1845. the Mexican War broke out the next year, although you are right -- it was over the US desire to add land the southwest including arizona, new mexico and california, and also because mexico still believed the texas territory belonged to mexico. but the battle of the alamo was not part of the mexican war
it was during the Texan Revolution of 1936. The Texas Republic was formed when Santa Ana lost the battle of San Jacinto, and the new republic was eventually annexed by the US in 1845. the Mexican War broke out the next year, although you are right -- it was over the US desire to add land the southwest including arizona, new mexico and california, and also because mexico still believed the texas territory belonged to mexico. but the battle of the alamo was not part of the mexican war
I know that, my focus was on what followed ----
and the fact that all that most Americans today know is "Remember the Alamo", not the entire story of our conflicts with Mexico.
Two books I sense you would enjoy are Empire of the Summer Moon, by S. C. Gwynne (a history of Quanah Parker and the mighty Comanches in Texas) and Eagles and Empire, by David A. Clary (a history of the United States, Mexico, and the Struggle for a Continent).
and the fact that all that most Americans today know is "Remember the Alamo", not the entire story of our conflicts with Mexico.
Two books I sense you would enjoy are Empire of the Summer Moon, by S. C. Gwynne (a history of Quanah Parker and the mighty Comanches in Texas) and Eagles and Empire, by David A. Clary (a history of the United States, Mexico, and the Struggle for a Continent).
As always. Had to listen to the spanish broadcast, as FS1 is partly blocked by U-verse (some contract dispute). I don't understand much Spanish (I speak German as my second language). but you could hear Marcelo Balboa (doing color) chortling after the second goal with "dos a cero" being heard frequently. I've been to all of the "Dos a cero" games in Columbus....
I would recommend the book: Blood and Thunder
It's about the conquest of the southwest, but also follows the life of Kit Carson. It's amazing how much Carson was intertwined into the various historic events in our effort to settle and take over the southwest. He was an American hero of epic proportions (think Charles Lindbergh) at the time, but is barely known to many today.
It's about the conquest of the southwest, but also follows the life of Kit Carson. It's amazing how much Carson was intertwined into the various historic events in our effort to settle and take over the southwest. He was an American hero of epic proportions (think Charles Lindbergh) at the time, but is barely known to many today.
Re: The Alamo was NOT in the Mexican War with the US ....
This post was edited on 4/16 10:27 AM by fairgambit
Your point is a good one in the event someone was not aware of the history of the Alamo. I am, and in fairness to my use of the phrase, I didn't say the The Battle of the Alamo was part of the Mexican War. I simply used the phrase as a rallying cry, realizing that it was first used by the Texans, but also noting, as does the Encyclopedia Britannica, that "This popularized battle cry later was used by U.S. Soldiers in the Mexican-American War (1846-48)."
This post was edited on 4/16 10:27 AM by fairgambit
I agree --- an exceptional book written by a great author, Hampton Sides
Sides also wrote "Ghost Soldiers", my favorite World War Two escape book (Allies from the Japanese in the Pacific).
Sides also wrote "Ghost Soldiers", my favorite World War Two escape book (Allies from the Japanese in the Pacific).
one of the books you mentioned ...
is absolutely awesome.
Empire of the Summer Moon has been on my shelves for a few years, and I finally picked it up last month. My mistake for not reading it as soon as I got it. One of the best books I've ever read on looking at things from both sides of the situation with regards to Native Americans and settlers/USA.
Tom
is absolutely awesome.
Empire of the Summer Moon has been on my shelves for a few years, and I finally picked it up last month. My mistake for not reading it as soon as I got it. One of the best books I've ever read on looking at things from both sides of the situation with regards to Native Americans and settlers/USA.
Tom
I have postcard pictures of Red Cloud and Quanah Parker on my office door.
Appreciate your sending the blurb; will be sure to try the book.
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