I plan on judging urban in the same measured, educated manner in which the majority of Tosu fans judged Joe.
Check the fuses, and fire it up baby!
Check the fuses, and fire it up baby!
Let's not judge Urban until all the facts are in. Remember Joe
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If anything shouldn't we have learned from how we were treated and not repeat it? Repeating past mistakes isn't a good thing. If our BOT actually did anything maybe we'd get the money back. Wanting Ohio State (or anyone else punished) is just petty. Unless, of course, you believe we should have been punished which I know you don't
As I've noted elsewhere, my wife keeps her mouth shut about even possibly confidential info at her work. Assuming "everyone knew" is lazy journalism. Without proof.
Took me a while to figure that one out in my own marriage. And she was right to do so.
Yep, pretty much. They apparently could not prove insider trading, which raises the question of why she lied to federal investigators about it. The difference here is UM did not lie to federal investigators.
Can you think of an innocent reason why Urban would lie to the whole world about this if he knew there was nothing to hide?
Because he isn’t required to tell the whole world/media at a football convention the truth about one of his employees dysfunctional marriages? Maybe he knew the Smith hearing was taking place soon and didn’t want to be seen as trying to influence it? Not taking Urbans side in this but lying to the media about a sensitive subject isn’t why he’s suspended.
Then you missed my point (shocking)...what I think is meaningless...what does the NCAA think? If they think what they did to us was right, then they need to do the same thing to MSU, OSU and Baylor. If they aren’t doing anything to them because they think what they did to Penn State was wrong, then they need to give us back our money and our scholarships. They can’t have it both ways. Everyone is saying the NCAA isn’t going to take action because they overstepped with Penn State...fine, but they need to make up what they took from us in their overstepping.
Exactly, most of the media and rival fan bases wanted Joe to grab his holster and 6 shooter, don his white hat and go riding after Jer and hang him. So why not the same vigilante approach for Urbs? I mean straight up Urbs and his wife knew what Smith was. I'm still awaiting the evidence that Joe knew what Jer was.
The only way he didn't know is if he made it clear he didn't WANT to know. Either way:
This was not a confidential situation....as I stated in an earlier post, once Urban’s wife told the victim she was going to tell Urban and the victim agreed, the confidentiality argument goes out the window.
I could possibly believe you but for this little factoid.
Urbs and his wife have already admitted to try and help the couple in '09.
So are you telling me that they went all in and tried to get them counseling but later on she contacts Urbs wife and says he's beating me again, this time with pics, and She doesn't tell?
Yea I'm calling BS. She told and he knew.
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I'm not defending Urbs- I suspect he IS guilty, and I've had him pegged as a snake since his UF days. But I am in favor of due process- even for people I don't like.
It's the same thing as Penn State. People with half the facts making their opinions known.
So, it is okay to lie about your knowledge even though the guy you just fired was fired BECAUSE HE JUST GOT A STALKING ORDER GRANTED AGAINST HIM?
And it is ok to lie, rather than simply refuse to answer? He told us then he would have fired him had he known about 2015. Why talk about that?
Most of America probably thinks that McQ went to JVP Saturday morning and told Joe that he saw Sandusky anally raping a twelve year old boy. That is the “evidence” they have.
They clearly don't think what they did was right--see everything that has happened since. The consent decree and our own inaction is why we won't get anything back. No one gives back things without being asked.
I didn't say it was ok I just gave a reason. That being said, it's not illegal to lie to the media. He said he would have fired him if he would have known because it was the pc thing to say. If he'd refused to answer people would now be making a big deal about the refusal. If everyone who lied lost their jobs literally the entire country would be unemployed.
Another reason non nefarious reason. He was poorly prepared for the press conference and he ****ed up and said the first thing that popped into his head. Happens all the time.
Agree on the press conference....the real question is if it was reported to their Title IX coordinator. If not...well....
It may not be illegal, but F him. He wants me to get all bothered about his due process rights, lets begin by his understanding that he does not get to lie to me.
You want everyone to sit around and make up reasons why you might not be dirty, start by not being a liar. If a lie was the first thing which popped in his head, and that is what he said, then too bad. Not gonna get any sympathy from me. If it turns out he lied, then he gets what he gets. I am not required to feel sorry for him, either, just like he is not required to tell me the truth.
Yeah, it appears this one did. But you have cashed your check with me once you lie. Don't send your buttboys here to cry for different treatment.
With all due respect, I don’t think Urban cares about your opinion regarding his right to due process unless you’re secretly Gene Smith. I highly doubt he cares if you feel sorry for him either.
I can in vision the conversation ...
"Hey babe, hypothetically speaking.. Say if. . An assistant coach is kicking the crap out of his wife.. What would you do? Nothing to do with you.. .Just say'n"
The NCAA may have leveraged the moment, but let's not forget that the BOT wanted the sanctions to help sell their "move on" strategy.
Okay then no, I don't give a flying F if his rep gets ruined. He has likely already lied to my face. I owe him nothing.
Die process. The bot, erickson, and the media contributed to Joe’s passing. F*cking bastards.
You didn’t owe him anything last week or last year either. He’s a public figure you (I assume) don’t have a personal relationship with.
Everything that has happened since shows them sticking to their guns despite being wrong....yes, they took off the sanctions but that was only after PSU submitted to a quarterly anal probe to show we had cleaned up our act. And our bowl money never came back nor did our Big 10 share of the bowl revenue. Not sure where you’re getting the idea that they think they were wrong.
Every coach lies in every press conference. Do you think Joe and Franklin have never lied? This is pathetic on so many levels.
How did they stick to their guns? Why would money come back that we didn't ask for? Our BOT doesn't want it back. See everything that has happened since then. The NCAA won't do anything to anyone now.
I think that was a collective “we”...how about the alumni of the university, or the current students, or anyone who has ever given money to the university, or the tax payers of Ohio....does he get to lie to them?
By not coming out and saying they were wrong is the exact definition of sticking to their guns. By making us prove our worthiness before coming off sanctions is sticking to their guns. By not giving us back the money is sticking to their guns.
Yes. The governor of Ohio has lied to the people of Ohio. The president (whichever one you like) lies to the people of the United States. A football coach lying at a press conference is small potatos.
He's not under oath--he has every right to lie...as does everyone else
