Let's talk about something besides Corona Virus

[Conewago]

From 1938 to 1973, the PIAA wrestling tournament was single class. After that, two classes.

I was born well after the change. But I've always been curious what a single class tournament would look like.

I'm also curious if anyone has any idea what motivated the change in 1973-74. I know what was a long time ago.

In general, experience indicates that anything more than 3, in wrestling, is probably not a great idea. Take Virginia. Virginia has like 6 classes off the top of my head; from what I've heard, their participation numbers are not great.

Now, for the record, I don't see a problem with PA having a two-class tournament.

On the other hand, when it comes to wrestling, an individual sport, I've always thought it was the perfect sport for there to be ONE state champ. And there's this part of my brain that says, well, heck if Indiana, New Jersey, and CALIFORNIA can all have a single class tournament, why not PA?

If I were put in charge of the PIAA (God help us...), I wouldn't have the brashness or the balls to decree such a change. Nor am I sure it wouldn't have negative spill over effects. But you have to admit it would make for one the toughest wrestling competitions humanly imaginable. And that seems kinda cool.

Also, my friends from Indiana all told me that switching from one class basketball to multi-class was the worst mistake in the entire history of the state of Indiana. Gee! Whatever PA does can't be as bad as that.

 

[raslen007]

From 1938 to 1973, the PIAA wrestling tournament was single class. After that, two classes.

I was born well after the change. But I've always been curious what a single class tournament would look like.

I'm also curious if anyone has any idea what motivated the change in 1973-74. I know what was a long time ago.

In general, experience indicates that anything more than 3, in wrestling, is probably not a great idea. Take Virginia. Virginia has like 6 classes off the top of my head; from what I've heard, their participation numbers are great.

Now, for the record, I don't see a problem with PA having a two-class tournament.

On the other hand, when it comes to wrestling, an individual sport, I've always thought it was the perfect sport for there to be ONE state champ. And there's this part of my brain that says, well, heck if Indiana, New Jersey, and CALIFORNIA can all have a single class tournament, why not PA?

If I were put in charge of the PIAA (God help us...), I wouldn't have the brashness or the balls to decree such a change. Nor am I sure it wouldn't have negative spill over effects. But you have to admit it would make for one the toughest wrestling competitions humanly imaginable. And that seems kinda cool.

Also, my friends from Indiana all told me that switching from one class basketball to multi-class was the worst mistake in the entire history of the state of Indiana. Gee! Whatever PA does can't be as bad as that.

Do not like the 6 classes in Football

 

[lookleft goright]

The glory of being a state champ in a one class system is pretty amazing, I am sure. However, the kids benefit from having more classes just because of the pressure they have to face to win a title at any class. There is a lot of growing and learning that comes from trying to win a title. Granted, the lessons learned from failure are pretty significant also, but it seems like having more kids chasing a dream for longer and having a legitimate shot at it, is a worthwhile by product of having more than one class.

 

[Dogwelder]

Do not like the 6 classes in Football

I think California has 14 state champion teams in football per year. 14 divisions!

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Pennsylvania wrestling is the envy of all states, why should we feel pressured to change ANYTHING??

 

[Conewago]

Pennsylvania wrestling is the envy of all states, why should we feel pressured to change ANYTHING??

No pressure.

It's just a total thought experiment to give us something to talk about besides CORONA 24/7.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

No pressure.

It's just a total thought experiment to give us something to talk about besides CORONA 24/7.

Sorry, im all for that

 

[androcles]

There was a time after the introduction of separate AA and AAA Pennsylvania wrestling championships when Penn State held a post-season dual meet with invitations sent to the highest Senior finisher at each weight ... it was well attended and produced “bragging rights” for the winning class...

 

[Conewago]

There was a time after the introduction of separate AA and AAA Pennsylvania wrestling championships when Penn State held a post-season dual meet with invitations sent to the highest Senior finisher at each weight ... it was well attended and produced “bragging rights” for the winning class...

Oh dang, really? That is pretty cool! Do you know when that ended?

 

[androcles]

...as I recall it was at Penn State for several years and when they stopped it was held in a high school for several years in the Lehigh Valley ...

 

[7brwnpsu]

Androcles, why did they stop that AA vs AAA champ dual?

 

[District four]

Androcles, why did they stop that AA vs AAA champ dual?

Isn't that what turned into the dapper dan

 

[7brwnpsu]

Not sure, I know Kraig the co-director, he'll know. I do feel bad for him, he works his ass off every year to put on a great event and this occurs.

 

[AgSurfer]

The change to a two division tournament has some special significance to me that has nothing to do with wrestling. If you look at the record, the very first AA champion, ( it was called Class B back then) was Bob Enders from Susquehanna Township at 98 lbs. I had the hots for his sister for a long time, but unfortunately lacked the necessary finesse at that point to do anything about it. Oh well, it's water over the dam at this point, but still some good memories.

 

[dmm53]

Pan Ams this weekend

 

[pawrestlersintn]

My preference would be to keep the team tournaments as is, but add a girls tournament.

The individual tournament should be changed to 3 divisions: public school boys, private school boys, and girls.

 

[NoVa Lion]

My preference would be to keep the team tournaments as is, but add a girls tournament.

The individual tournament should be changed to 3 divisions: public school boys, private school boys, and girls.

I like that idea, but would also still have the Dual State Championships with at least 2 classes. One class for the individual championship makes sense for individual champs but the small schools have basically no chance to win a team title in that scenario.

 

[Conewago]

I like that idea, but would also still have the Dual State Championships with at least 2 classes. One class for the individual championship makes sense for individual champs but the small schools have basically no chance to win a team title in that scenario.

Oh, that's a good idea.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Oh, that's a good idea.

Can I quote you on that? It;s not often I get a good idea.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

I like that idea, but would also still have the Dual State Championships with at least 2 classes. One class for the individual championship makes sense for individual champs but the small schools have basically no chance to win a team title in that scenario.

When I said team tournaments, I was referring to the duals. So, I think we are saying the exact same thing.

 

[NoVa Lion]

When I said team tournaments, I was referring to the duals. So, I think we are saying the exact same thing.

Of course we are, but you know my reading comprehension stinks. Comes from my Catholic grade school education.