List your best theories about what the BoT is hiding in the Freeh files

[PennSt8er]

I am interested in what they have hidden in there. I would love to hear serious theories about what specifically is in these files that they would be devastated to have revealed. Maybe someone here actually knows what is in there. Real knowledge would be very welcome. Thanks.

 

[PennSt8er]

I will start with speculation on the idea someone posted earlier that the BoT members, themselves, are on the record with defamatory statements that after-the-fact have been proven wrong.

 

[Zenophile]

"Tim Was Joe's Errand Boy" by Rodney Erickson and Ken Frazier

 

[PennSt8er]

"Tim Was Joe's Errand Boy" by Rodney Erickson and Ken Frazier

If that's all it is, I doubt they'd fight this hard to bury it. I think there's potential criminal level fraud going on here. Just don't know what the nature of it is.

 

[mbahses]

Tom Poole Construction gets an awful lot of PSU Business.

 

[PennSt8er]

Tom Poole Construction gets an awful lot of PSU Business.

Do you think that this has some relevance to Freeh's work specifically? Poole's firm has received $25 million from Penn State in an article I read. I think this relationship is worth looking into. I'm just not sure why Freeh might have something in the files on this. I also think it is Robert Poole Construction.

 

[Zenophile]

If that's all it is, I doubt they'd fight this hard to bury it. I think there's potential criminal level fraud going on here. Just don't know what the nature of it is.

We're on exactly the same page (I just happen to be a conservative speculator).

 

[Mixolydian]

Honestly, I think all they are hiding with regard to Freeh is total confirmation of what an incomplete and inadequate sham investigation it was. One that could never have been used to draw the conclusions Freeh drew. Barron admitted as much a couple months ago. Seeing the work papers, the names of the interviewees, the nature of the questioning, etc. would just confirm it, and if they became public would make the BoT and Freeh look even more foolish.

That's not to say there are not some skeletons with the BOT and TSM, etc. I just believe Freeh was instructed to go nowhere near that. So he asked Vicky Triponey and others of her ilk with agendas a lot of questions instead.

 

[psuted]

I am interested in what they have hidden in there. I would love to hear serious theories about what specifically is in these files that they would be devastated to have revealed. Maybe someone here actually knows what is in there. Real knowledge would be very welcome. Thanks.

I am interested in what they have hidden in there. I would love to hear serious theories about what specifically is in these files that they would be devastated to have revealed. Maybe someone here actually knows what is in there. Real knowledge would be very welcome. Thanks.

Forget about the source material that the Freeh report was built on. If you take the public information and conclusions of the report, it's been proven to be inaccurate and contains baseless allegations. When given the opportunity to take a public position on the Freeh report, the old guard of the BOT's won't even do that. What is their motivation for not rejecting or at least questioning the baseless accusations of the Freeh report? Something doesn't make sense and defies logic. I smell some very conservative legal advice being followed.

 

[marshall23]

I think that the report was fashioned around interviews with Trustees and a few of their lackeys like Vicki Triponey. They would be even further embarrassed by exculpatory evidence that was purposely excluded from the narrative.

 

[psuro]

Sue's lasagna recipe.

But, more seriously, I believe they are not hiding anything in the Freeh files, except what a shabby and inconclusive document it is. I do think they are using the Freeh Report as a shield for any other type of investigation that may occur, and that may expose members of the BoT and their nefarious acts.

 

[Zenophile]

I also fully expect it to be discovered that there was significant (read: consensus) exculpatory info that was "inexplicably" excluded from the report

And that will be very, very difficult to explain away.

 

[Legion of Lions]

The Obvious Answer......
The BOT of Penn State has been taken over by elitists who are joined at the hip with PA politics. There is influence and coordination between some of PA's "political elites" with those politically connected members of the BOT.

Freeh was the handpicked assassin by our former AG/Governor as part of a well engineered, funded and COLLUSIVE abuse of power. Freeh, as history has proven, was picked because he was known to ONLY deliver his "findings" which "proved" the story that protected those who pay for his services. Personally, I have always seen him as a governmental "black ops" clean-up specialist brought in, not to investigate, but destroy any artifacts that could be used as evidence which would destroy "the story" his client's paid for..

Unfortunately, this entire affair has exposed the fact that the BOT elite have been given benefits that appear to result from the political IOU's and "insider dealers". This is possible because of the University's politically permitted rules of activities conducted "behind the curtain". Freeh was part of the original public deception created to keep public eyes off of the protection rackets supported by PA governmental, hidden campaign slush funds (TSM) and the abuses of operations/personal benefits to BOT which have most likely been occurring over the past 20 years.

I realize that no one likes "conspiracies"....but sometime you need to face up to the reality that conspiracies can occur. The political DNA viable here has from day ONE been overwhelming.

 

[Sullivan]

The Obvious Answer......
The BOT of Penn State has been taken over by elitists who are joined at the hip with PA politics. There is influence and coordination between some of PA's "political elites" with those politically connected members of the BOT.

Freeh was the handpicked assassin by our former AG/Governor as part of a well engineered, funded and COLLUSIVE abuse of power. Freeh, as history has proven, was picked because he was known to ONLY deliver his "findings" which "proved" the story that protected those who pay for his services. Personally, I have always seen him as a governmental "black ops" clean-up specialist brought in, not to investigate, but destroy any artifacts that could be used as evidence which would destroy "the story" his client's paid for..

Unfortunately, this entire affair has exposed the fact that the BOT elite have been given benefits that appear to result from the political IOU's and "insider dealers". This is possible because of the University's politically permitted rules of activities conducted "behind the curtain". Freeh was part of the original public deception created to keep public eyes off of the protection rackets supported by PA governmental, hidden campaign slush funds (TSM) and the abuses of operations/personal benefits to BOT which have most likely been occurring over the past 20 years.

I realize that no one likes "conspiracies"....but sometime you need to face up to the reality that conspiracies can occur. The political DNA viable here has from day ONE been overwhelming.

So are you suggesting that Tom Wolf is a part of this conspiracy as well? Despite being governor for the past 5 months, he hasn't called on the resignation of any of the gov. appointees to the board. Nor has he made any real public comment on the matter.

For that matter, the pitbull AG Kathleeen Kane assumed office in January of 2013. If there was corruption, wouldn't she be all over it?

 

[Fayette_LION]

I am interested in what they have hidden in there. I would love to hear serious theories about what specifically is in these files that they would be devastated to have revealed. Maybe someone here actually knows what is in there. Real knowledge would be very welcome. Thanks.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
and lots more. way too many fuzzy contacts in and around TSM and PSU. Someone was skimming big $$$$$$$$$ and pocketing it.JMO, I have no real info but it is almost always about 2 things.........$$$$$$$$$$$ and power.

 

[Misder2]

In the simplest form, prior knowledge of events.

 

[psufan9808]

I honestly think that main thing being hidden in the Freeh files is those that worked to get the public's view of the story out there, i.e. interviews with people who wanted to implicate Paterno or Penn State Football culture, the connections in the interviews for who to interview next that might produce the story that they wanted, and the names of those who worked Freeh's deal and the instructions provided to him which may include some damning details. Perhaps communications from the BOT about timing of the report which may give hints why they wanted those specific results out there when it came out.

But also in general it may show internal communications about how to produce the story that the BOT had paid them to create. It may show e-mails that they wished to construe differently but had chosen not to do so. It may show e-mails that were intentionally left out of the Freeh report that would put into context those they used vaguely to implicate Paterno and PSU football and draw such a strong conclusion from such weak evidence. So it may give a little of the how the Freeh firm produces it's product for a client who is willing to pay to intentionally mislead or fabricate a story.

 

[PennSt8er]

Do you think that has some relevance to Freeh's work specifically? Poole's firm has received $25 million from Penn State in an article I read. I think this relationship is worth looking into. I'm just not sure why Freeh might have something in the files on this.

So are you suggesting that Tom Wolf is a part of this conspiracy as well? Despite being governor for the past 5 months, he hasn't called on the resignation of any of the gov. appointees to the board. Nor has he made any real public comment on the matter.

For that matter, the pitbull AG Kathleeen Kane assumed office in January of 2013. If there was corruption, wouldn't she be all over it?

These are questions I've been wondering. Where's Kane on all of this? It's clear her current leak charges are trumped up to shut her down and distract her attention. Still, one would think there's enough potential graft at the PSU/TSM intersection to hook some meaty fish.

 

[bmw199]

That Frazier cross dresses

 

[dwiz]

I am interested in what they have hidden in there. I would love to hear serious theories about what specifically is in these files that they would be devastated to have revealed. Maybe someone here actually knows what is in there. Real knowledge would be very welcome. Thanks.

I believe the files will show it was a sham investigation from the start, deflecting blame from the second mile and the money shell that that was. It'll show that Masser et al purposely scapegoated certain individuals which will lead to lawsuits against them. And remember, this was never about protecting the university, because they've never even tried to do that. This was all about protecting themselves. "Yes, you can have 2-3 million dollars, just sign this saying you won't talk about the 2nd mile and you give up your right to sue the second mile". How the 2nd mile was allowed to shred all their documents still baffles the mind. Eventually Heim and Raykovitz will get theirs though.

 

[Class of 67]

Honestly, I think all they are hiding with regard to Freeh is total confirmation of what an incomplete and inadequate sham investigation it was. One that could never have been used to draw the conclusions Freeh drew. Barron admitted as much a couple months ago. Seeing the work papers, the names of the interviewees, the nature of the questioning, etc. would just confirm it, and if they became public would make the BoT and Freeh look even more foolish.

That's not to say there are not some skeletons with the BOT and TSM, etc. I just believe Freeh was instructed to go nowhere near that. So he asked Vicky Triponey and others of her ilk with agendas a lot of questions instead.

 

[Class of 67]

I lean toward your theory.

 

[lionlurker]

Whatever it is, they are pretty desperate, so to them it must be a very big deal. I don't think its just the whole money thing, though, because not every goddamned person on that BOT was making money on the side, and yet they all continue to lie and vote in lockstep no matter what, in a manner that is just beyond normal human behavior.

I think the theory about sham investigation/scapegoating is the reason for the lockstep behavior. We will never see the emails between these guys, but I think the exec BOT is probably telling the nonpowerful BOT that they are all guilty because of this, and this buys off the nobody BOT members' behavior. Otherwise I just don't get why they'd all be so willing to protect the ones who profited.

Now, I do not think that is the whole story, though. I think the rich/financially corrupt individuals have other stuff they are hiding, but I'm not sure that the non-exec guys necessarily have all the info about that. The exec board did what they did for their reasons, probably financial corruption/stated hatred of Joe/etc, but this is not what keeps the rank and file in line. Given that all of the TSM files were systematically shredded very early on would suggest that the truth is/was in those files somewhere.

It may well be that when the rank and file guys find out why precisely they are being used, that they will get pissed off and start telling the truth.

 

[bdgan]

1. Some don't want anybody to see that they had a personal vendetta against Joe and that their decision was not based on the facts of the case.
2. Several don't want to be accused to doing too little themselves, especially since they had some degree of knowledge about JS and because they participated with TSM.
3. They want the whole thing to be over. Just move on.

I don't think there are any smoking guns bigger than that.

 

[mbahses]

What is being hidden is clearly very damaging to the OG BoT considering the ferocity they have fought every effort at getting to the truth.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

I am interested in what they have hidden in there. I would love to hear serious theories about what specifically is in these files that they would be devastated to have revealed. Maybe someone here actually knows what is in there. Real knowledge would be very welcome. Thanks.

I lean heavily toward the political aspect, because all the players seem to have something in common in that regard. Several posters in this thread are likely on the right track.

Obviously, folks like Sully are compelled to insist on the contrary. LOL.

 

[kgilbert78]

So are you suggesting that Tom Wolf is a part of this conspiracy as well? Despite being governor for the past 5 months, he hasn't called on the resignation of any of the gov. appointees to the board. Nor has he made any real public comment on the matter.

For that matter, the pitbull AG Kathleeen Kane assumed office in January of 2013. If there was corruption, wouldn't she be all over it?

She's been more of a Chihuahua.

 

[lionlurker]

One thing about this whole mess that intrigues me is the role of Peetz. Now I am certainly a well-documented user of the capital C when describing her, but part of me wonders if she'll eventually be the source of the truth. She's a C, no doubt, but she's also a woman. I work with and am related to some very powerful, productive women, and I personally think that the way they work and the way they think is just different than men. I find women execs/scholars to be as a group very principled, fair, and to have a right/wrong switch that is more consistent and fair than what men often have. On that basis, I really think that it's likely that she is very torn about this, and that she'll eventually crack when she gets on the stand. I could be wrong about her, but I've yet to work with a powerful woman that is anywhere near as evil as some powerful men I have known.

Perhaps it is not her that wants desperately to not be deposed. Perhaps it is the others who do not want her deposed.

 

[bjf1984]

I am interested in what they have hidden in there. I would love to hear serious theories about what specifically is in these files that they would be devastated to have revealed. Maybe someone here actually knows what is in there. Real knowledge would be very welcome. Thanks.

IMHO:

It is not so much what is in (or not in) the Freeh Files.

I think - at this point - any thinking human being can be quite confident that the entire Freeh Report is a steaming pile of horse crap. The evidence, even without ever seeing the source documents, is overwhelming.

The issue here, and the reason this steaming pile of horse crap is being defended to the death, is "What was the purpose of the Freeh Report?"

I believe that any interpretation of the BOT OG actions over the last 3+ years should make it clear that the Freeh Report was a smokescreen......designed, commissioned, and defended for the purpose of obfuscating the illumination of something(s) far, far worse than the supposed mismanagement of suspected child abuse.

FAR worse.

Exactly what those things may be.....who knows. There are plenty of very reasonable and credible suppositions....and some that may seem incredible, but which shouldn't be discounted out of hand.

It has to include things that are simply devastating to some people who have put tremendous resources and power into play in their efforts to cover up the truth.

Step 1 must be completed - blowing away the smokescreen of the Freeh Report - in order to move forward with determining just what those awful things are....and just who the scoundrels are who have so much at stake in this deception.
We (should) - if we've been paying attention - realize that by now. "They" most certainly know (and that is why they have committed such an incredible litany of crimes in defending the Freeh File).

No one - not even scoundrels as vile as the scoundrels we are dealing with - burns down a building, murders witnesses, commits additional felonies....in order to cover up a speeding ticket (Yes, that was a metaphor).
Whatever they are hiding MUST be worse than the cumulative value of all of the malfeasance invoked in the cover up.....which requires that it be something(s) awfully, awfully evil.

 

[bjf1984]

IMHO:

It is not so much what is in (or not in) the Freeh Files.

I think - at this point - any thinking human being can be quite confident that the entire Freeh Report is a steaming pile of horse crap. The evidence, even without ever seeing the source documents, is overwhelming.

The issue here, and the reason this steaming pile of horse crap is being defended to the death, is "What was the purpose of the Freeh Report?"

I believe that any interpretation of the BOT OG actions over the last 3+ years should make it clear that the Freeh Report was a smokescreen......designed, commissioned, and defended for the purpose of obfuscating the illumination of something(s) far, far worse than the supposed mismanagement of suspected child abuse.

FAR worse.

Exactly what those things may be.....who knows. The are plenty of very reasonable and credible suppositions....and some that may seem incredible, but which shouldn't be discounted out of hand.

It has to include things that are simply devastating to some people who have put tremendous resources and power into play in their efforts to cover up the truth.

Step 1 must be completed - blowing away the smokescreen of the Freeh Report - in order to move forward with determining just what those awful things are....and just who the scoundrels are who have so much at stake in this deception.
We (should) - if we've been paying attention - realize that by now. "They" most certainly know (and that is why they have committed such an incredible litany of crimes in defending the Freeh File).

No one - not even scoundrels as vile as the scoundrels we are dealing with - burns down a building, murders witnesses, commits additional felonies....in order to cover up a speeding ticket (Yes, that was a metaphor).
Whatever they are hiding MUST be worse than the cumulative value of all of the malfeasance invoked in the cover up.....which requires that it be something(s) awfully, awfully evil.

One of the things I discussed at the 11/14 BOT meeting, and that is relevant to the OP question, is "what then?"

What happens AFTER the Freeh Report is exposed as a sham, as a smokescreen? No "report" bound together with so much horse crap and bullshit can stand up to scrutiny for very long.....it will disintegrate.

The IMPORTANT question is - what do we do then?

Does everyone celebrate the exposure of the fraud.......or do they seek out - and demand answers to - the REAL question - WHY? WHY was this fraud concocted? What was it hiding.

Penn Staters - as a whole - will likely (I fear) not really engage in answering that big question. So many of us - after the fatigue of the last several years - WILL celebrate the exposure of the Freeh Fraud, and move on.

Hopefully, some of us, and - more importantly - those charged with exposing and prosecuting evil (the Feds?) WILL ask the important questions.
.

 

[The Spin Meister]

The Obvious Answer......
The BOT of Penn State has been taken over by elitists who are joined at the hip with PA politics. There is influence and coordination between some of PA's "political elites" with those politically connected members of the BOT.

Freeh was the handpicked assassin by our former AG/Governor as part of a well engineered, funded and COLLUSIVE abuse of power. Freeh, as history has proven, was picked because he was known to ONLY deliver his "findings" which "proved" the story that protected those who pay for his services. Personally, I have always seen him as a governmental "black ops" clean-up specialist brought in, not to investigate, but destroy any artifacts that could be used as evidence which would destroy "the story" his client's paid for..

Unfortunately, this entire affair has exposed the fact that the BOT elite have been given benefits that appear to result from the political IOU's and "insider dealers". This is possible because of the University's politically permitted rules of activities conducted "behind the curtain". Freeh was part of the original public deception created to keep public eyes off of the protection rackets supported by PA governmental, hidden campaign slush funds (TSM) and the abuses of operations/personal benefits to BOT which have most likely been occurring over the past 20 years.

I realize that no one likes "conspiracies"....but sometime you need to face up to the reality that conspiracies can occur. The political DNA viable here has from day ONE been overwhelming.

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***Ding ding ding ding**** We have a winner!!

 

[Zenophile]

Does everyone celebrate the exposure of the fraud.......or do they seek out - and demand answers to - the REAL question - WHY? WHY was this fraud concocted? What was it hiding.

Penn Staters - as a whole - will likely (I fear) not really engage in answering that big question. So many of us - after the fatigue of the last several years - WILL celebrate the exposure of the Freeh Fraud, and move on.

IMHO those who are seeking the truth know that exposing the Freeh Report is a milestone and not the destination.

 

[lionlurker]

IMHO those who are seeking the truth know that exposing the Freeh Report is a milestone and not the destination.

I think the guilty parties know this, too. They probably hate that thing at this point as much as we do.

 

[bjf1984]

IMHO those who are seeking the truth know that exposing the Freeh Report is a milestone and not the destination.

ABSOLUTELY. In many ways, the response "post-exposure of the Freeh Report" will separate the wheat from the chaff (those interested in the TRUTH vs those concerned only with the "football stuff")

 

[jerseylion109]

maybe im just negative but I just don't see the freeh report ever being exposed...maybe the paterno lawsuit is the way this gets done but I just don't see it...hopefully someone can convince me otherwise

 

[PennSt8er]

maybe im just negative but I just don't see the freeh report ever being exposed...maybe the paterno lawsuit is the way this gets done but I just don't see it...hopefully someone can convince me otherwise

Don't count out the alumni BoT members, despite the recent dog and pony document that PSU attorneys submitted. I think that stuff had some compelling arguments. But I think the judge will allow a look at Freeh's stuff.

 

[dwiz]

Don't count out the alumni BoT members, despite the recent dog and pony document that PSU attorneys submitted. I think that stuff had some compelling arguments. But I think the judge will allow a look at Freeh's stuff.

All his reports have been exposed, it's just that nobody cares about the disproving part of them. His pressers and initial reports are front page stuff, the discrediting gets buried on page 9.

 

[psufan9808]

I agree with the poster who believes that the Freeh report was hiding considerable prior knowledge by powerful people but I do not think a review of all of the Freeh materials would show evidence of that beyond an explicit requirement to stat up front in the report that the trustees knew nothing.

If you reread just the Freeh executive summary, it must have said a dozen times over and over how the trustees knew nothing. That in itself is pretty telling but I doubt Freeh ever examined evidence as to what the trustees knew and when.

So for he what after Freeh is debunked, I think you start to dig into what the trustees knew and when. It is obvious that they paid a lot of money suggest that they knew nothing. So that is where you start post-Freeh. What did the trustees know and when?

Personally, I think once Freeh is debunked that it becomes a juicy story for the public. Why did the trustees pay millions, eventually hundreds of millions to make a sham report and for what did it serve cover? I think someone or some entity could draw a ton of viewers producing something that asks these questions and eventually uncovers some answers for the public.

 

[Aoshiro]

I am interested in what they have hidden in there. I would love to hear serious theories about what specifically is in these files that they would be devastated to have revealed. Maybe someone here actually knows what is in there. Real knowledge would be very welcome. Thanks.

I think there's correspondence among Tomalis, Frazier and the Freeh people that will make it clear that Tomalis & Frazier told Freeh Group what to write.

 

[Misder2]

I agree with the poster who believes that the Freeh report was hiding considerable prior knowledge by powerful people but I do not think a review of all of the Freeh materials would show evidence of that beyond an explicit requirement to stat up front in the report that the trustees knew nothing.

If you reread just the Freeh executive summary, it must have said a dozen times over and over how the trustees knew nothing. That in itself is pretty telling but I doubt Freeh ever examined evidence as to what the trustees knew and when.

So for he what after Freeh is debunked, I think you start to dig into what the trustees knew and when. It is obvious that they paid a lot of money suggest that they knew nothing. So that is where you start post-Freeh. What did the trustees know and when?

Personally, I think once Freeh is debunked that it becomes a juicy story for the public. Why did the trustees pay millions, eventually hundreds of millions to make a sham report and for what did it serve cover? I think someone or some entity could draw a ton of viewers producing something that asks these questions and eventually uncovers some answers for the public.

I never read the Freeh Report, it really says they knew nothing?