Things wouldn't have to improve if the BOT hadn't screwed everything up to begin with.
Lubrano spoke at tonight's PSU Lake Erie Honor Joe Event
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Things wouldn't have to improve if the BOT hadn't screwed everything up to begin with.
Couldn't begin to speculate about his motives. But if you click the below link, you can see that he's been willing, at times, to sign his name to it. Credit where credit is due.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-03-11/news/31145465_1_joe-paterno-alumni-race-for-board-seat
Susan Snyder (the author of that dated Inky article - the one with the quotes from Zipper-Head) should hang her head in shame.
"......And his (Lubrano's) application for trustee describes him as a "varsity baseball player at his alma mater". The problem is that Lubrano, 51, a major donor whose name is on Penn State's baseball complex, acknowledges that he neither lettered nor played in an official game. He said in an interview Friday that he was only on the equivalent of the "practice squad....."
So the guy says he was "a varsity baseball player" - which he was - but that is a "problem" for Snyder because some publication, that Lubrano has no control over, mistakenly listed him as a multi-year letter winner.
Uh...yeah, right Susan.....you dolt.
Maybe another Pullitzer for a crackerjack Pennsylvania journalist
You seriously are a moron. Do you have a working brain cell in your body? Louis Freeh has been fraudulently assassinating the reputations of scapegoats for decades for a lot of blood money. Get over yourself or go away.
awww the twitter stalker had my thread pulled. he is a giant fraudulent moron, for sure!
Is JZ also "PS4RS Thoughts" on Twitter? It sure reads like a Zippy Twit fest. And the fact that it is one of the three followers of Newly R makes me think that Zippy is following and commenting on himself.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ps4rsthoughts
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bwifan
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least... I am sure he has multiple handles on here when the mods finally kick his rear end to the curb .... (which should of been done over a year ago)
To shift public opinion, someone else is going to have to go under the bus.
It has to be a pretty big name. It can be Louis Freeh, Tom Corbett, John Surma, or Ken Frazier. I don't care at this point. But someone is going to have to feel the wheels of the media bus on his back. Someone is going to have to be exposed as the scoundrel.
FWIW:
The "media" didn't "spike the ball"......the A9 did. The media (whom we all like to blame) has had nothing to do with the A9's fiduciary failures (highlighted by the most recent actions of the July coronations)
The A9 has - repeatedly - "spiked the ball" on their ability to ever claim to be the righteous stewards of the University. EVER. (The actions of July were just the coup de grace.)
As such, nothing they say or claim will ever carry the weight that might be ascribed to the righteous. EVER
Those are our proxies we are talking about
Now, clearly, the only way for our voices to be equated with the voices of the righteous - something that is a prerequisite if we are ever to actually WIN the battles we are engaged in - is to (at the least) place new individuals into those seats.........and, even then, removing the tar of fiduciary failure from those seats, and attaching a meaningful sense of righteousness to our voices - even with new personnel - will be a daunting task. A task much MORE difficult than the task we faced 5 years ago
As just ONE example, and this is a relatively minor issue:
If tomorrow, the voices of the A9 - joined by a chorus of all 27 other members of the BOT - proclaimed, in a united cacophony, "THE FREEH REPORT IS CRAP"!!!
Who would care?
Who should care?
No one would, ......aside from a small handful of folks who have known that all along .......and no one should
And then those same folks can raise a hew and cry that the PUBLIC and the MEDIA just won't "get it"
Thanks guys.
I feel your pain. But in all fairness some of the A9 did take a stand during other pivotal moments. They also made similar mistakes to the one they made recently. I don't see that as being intentional. Their heart I think is in the right place but Ira is an excellent liar. He sold the BoT on an imaginary Sandusky sex tape when some questioned his decisions on how to handle settlements. I'm pretty sure he's sold the A9 another line of BS. But replacing the A9 won't get rid of Ira. Since the change in BoT format was approved a couple years ago everything is basically fixed. The A9 votes are basically symbolic but they're votes that represent the voice of the alumni & they weren't doing that when they voted for Ira. I believe they'll regret it. Unless Ira dies soon I doubt the university will ever return the statue or do anything else that states to the world that Joe is innocent. The media is locked into their false narrative completely & permanently. You may get a few from the public to see the truth but all we can hope for now is to pass what we've learned on and hope our grandkids are far enough removed from this BS to see things untainted lenses.
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bwifan
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Well if it's what I think it is and it would be honoring Joe the correct way, all I can say is it better be big and done right. Lathering praise on Sue and the family and NOT a plane pulling a banner saying Thx Joe.... If it's this and done correct I am still with the A9 if not I am done with them.
yeah, I guess I doubt the cryptic message has to do with honoring Joe.
pretty sure that was that giant sack of potatoes who used to write for Onward State, I forget his name. Not that Devon Edwards idiot . . .
The only way the university can honor Joe is to say that Freeh was wrong.
Otherwise there will just be more of the kind of blowback from the media that Barron and the Trustees can't take.
University has already said Freeh was wrong, lol
this time they have to mean it, not just use it as a legal excuse against PMA
Sounds exactly like what I said earlier. It's all about Joe.
And that's a big start for me. To get all of these bad guys and gals is not going to be easy. Can we bring down Louis and his report? Yes! Reform governance? I doubt it.
There's a path that exists from here to there for them. You may recall that none of the OG players have admitted to having read Louie's report. In fact, they've all gone out of their way to let everyone know that they haven't read it. Doesn't that strike you as odd?
At the time I just assumed it was because they knew what anyone who's read the full report knows -- that it's garbage, and to admit to having read it was tantamount to conceding as much.
Now I'm beginning to suspect that they may have been building themselves a window to an exit strategy.
bwifan
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I see your point and kinda agree with it .... BUT if they played this strategy would that not be playing exactly into the Paterno and C/S/S lawsuit hands. Meaning they terminated these employees and dragged their names through the mud and ruined future earning potential all done by not even reading the freeh report? Seems like they would need to get ready to write a very large check to the Paterno estate if so....
I get it, and we have two kinds of obstacles to overcome--the first, and most common one is guys like CR-66 who spout nonsense about being winners. That particular poster is a prime example of the self-impeaching witness. He blathers about being a winner and sells his eugenics theories about his superior breeding, but the truth is a lot different when it finally gets revealed.
There are some others, initially with us, who have panicked a little while the "mystery of the Ira vote" is still pending. There is something fundamentally, logically wrong with complaining that you are not being given sufficient information, and simultaneously concluding that the information you do not have amounts to a sellout of all your principles in the name of moral weakness and expediency. It is possible to be disappointed in one turn of the saga and not throw the whole book away. It is possible to suffer a setback (if it even is a setback) without losing the game, the season, your program and your life. Understanding this is one of the hallmarks of mature rationality.
bwifan
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Very well thought out and written piece Dem. Thank You for sharing and giving some insight. Many of us and you included are frustrated at the pace of setting the record straight and sometimes that gets the best of us. We are not in the trenches with Lubrano fighting this battle everyday. It's easy sometimes for us to monday morning qb what we think should be done or could be done. Thank you all for your time and stay the course.
I believe they already did this in the PMA lawsuit. It has to be understood that they have already walked across that particular bridge. They entered the Land of Truth, they say, for a limited purpose. But the truth does not have a limited purpose, and once you are in the Land of Truth you cannot go back. I think truth has no purpose or meaning. It just is. Each of us provides our own purpose and meaning, but certain purposes and meanings are inevitable if you wish to continue saying you are a rational person.
Uh.........really?
They didn't have or need one to fire the man, tear down the statue, and go on a "he was a moral failure" speaking tour
Why would that be needed to do the things that any University would do to honor a long-time successful coach?
Because of "PR".....or "public perception"?
Really? Listen, I know that IS what it is all about for a lot of people. There is zero doubt about that.
But, nevertheless, the idea that this issue boils down to - at its core:
"Rehabilitating the public perception of a football program" - no matter how righteous that particular objective may be, given how unrighteously that program and its leaders have been treated - - - - is both sad and pathetic
Good Lord, one would hope the goals are a bit higher than that
LOL.
Only a lawyer could refer to "34-0" as a mystery
GTASCA would be proud!
The "non-sequitur to sentence" ratio must be over 2 to 1........a gold medal performance
Barry and Dem: It would be great if you guys could stop bashing each other. You both have some good points to make, but you are both on the same side of the larger debate and, IMO, your back and forth is disheartening and counterproductive.
I hear ya', but the only things I'm bashing in this fiasco are;
1 - The fiduciary failures of the A9 (of which the July debacle is just the latest in a long line)
And maybe more importantly
2 - The inane chants from the "A9 Excuse Hymnal, pages 1 through 3".
More important because that baloney is being used to promote business as usual - when what this University most deserves and needs is righteous, accountable governance
It would be a lot softer on my soul if DL were not involved in promoting that agenda, no doubt. I think anyone who has been around these boards for any length of time would know that.......just because I think it is clear the level of respect I have for the many things Larry has done
Just as the litany of A9 fiduciary failures cannot be "whited out"....... Neither can (or should) Larry's MANY positive contributions be ignored, redacted, or lessened.
But - it should be perfectly clear - What I am critical of are the "A9 FAILURES" and of the "EXCUSING"........... Not of Larry
The level of respect you have for Larry has been VERY clear the last couple of weeks.
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Not me. She can't speak or ask a question in front of the BOT without her voice quivering. She's probably a nice person, but she's not BOT material.
FWIW - which probably ain't much - if PSU had a non-dysfunctional BOT (ie a Board that was NOT completely FUBAR).....I think Alice P is exactly the type of person who should be in one of those seats.
She has - IMO - a lot of the skills that would be a real asset to a functional University governance board.
Obviously, we do not have that....and, just as obviously, the impact of the particular skills she COULD bring to the table are severely muted.
That isn't her fault. No doubt about that.....and I think she is a very commendable human being (as are some other members of the A9, even some who might be complete "fails" as fiduciaries) - - - regardless of whether or not her skill set is amenable to what this current Cabal needs.
