Lynne Abraham

[wensilver]

I'm just a few minutes in and already my blood is boiling over Lynne Abraham going AWOL on ever investigating Second Mile.



Sorry to rant...but Jeezus H. Christmas. After all these years, all this damage to the wrong institution and the larger community ....and it was okay for the Second Mile CEO to sit there as a witness for the prosecution and tell the jury about SWIM TRUNKS?

Are you effing kidding me?

 

[coveydidnt]

I still can't understand why you think Lynne Abraham should have investigated TSM for free.

I know you must hate her for other reasons. Else, if you wanted her to investigate this you would have started a fund years ago to fund such an investigation.

But instead you have done nothing of the kind except complain.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

I still can't understand why you think Lynne Abraham should have investigated TSM for free.

I know you must hate her for other reasons. Else, if you wanted her to investigate this you would have started a fund years ago to fund such an investigation.

But instead you have done nothing of the kind except complain.

You have a creepy stalking disorder/obsession with Wensilver. But you knew that.

 

[wensilver]

You have a creepy stalking disorder/obsession with Wensilver. But you knew that.

Thanks man for having my back. I have several posters on ignore - which really makes viewing this Board a pleasure. Thank you for letting me come over here to vent.

You guys rock!

 

[Chris92]

Thanks man for having my back. I have several posters on ignore - which really makes viewing this Board a pleasure. Thank you for letting me come over here to vent.

You guys rock!

Since the TSM site is now gone, did you know where they sell those TSM branded swim trunks?

 

[coveydidnt]

You have a creepy stalking disorder/obsession with Wensilver. But you knew that.

No I have a factually based issue with her ripping Lynne Abraham. One which she or her proxies could easily address & I'd drop the point.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

No I have a factually based issue with her ripping Lynne Abraham. One which she or her proxies could easily address & I'd drop the point.

Well, I'm certainly not a proxy, but have been called worse.

 

[artsandletters]

You have a creepy stalking disorder/obsession with Wensilver. But you knew that.

Who was it? I have him on ignore too. Jive?

Thanks.

 

[coveydidnt]

Well, I'm certainly not a proxy, but have been called worse.

Exactly. No one seems capable of explaining her issue with Lynne A, given that she ("Wendy") well knows there was no funding for Abraham to do any investigation. She ("Wendy") periodically posts this nonsense but it's clearly political and should be on the test board.

 

[91Joe95]

You have a creepy stalking disorder/obsession with Wensilver. But you knew that.

He showed up shortly after that other creepy stalker got banned too.

 

[Chris92]

Exactly. No one seems capable of explaining her issue with Lynne A, given that she ("Wendy") well knows there was no funding for Abraham to do any investigation. She ("Wendy") periodically posts this nonsense but it's clearly political and should be on the test board.

TSM had millions in November 2011.

 

[coveydidnt]

TSM had millions in November 2011.

This might be true. If so, it's the first true thing I've heard here in this thread.

So what, they decided that with their founder and chief fundraiser gone, their money would be best passed along to another another charity that ostensibly meets similar goals, or failing that, be set aside to provide for any victims claims.

What's the beef with that? Why should they have dedicated their money (which might not have been enough, frankly, even if it was millions) to Lynne Abraham rather than kids and/or victims?

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Who was it? I have him on ignore too. Jive?

Thanks.

Covey.

 

[Phil's Rug]

You have a creepy stalking disorder/obsession with Wensilver. But you knew that.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

He showed up shortly after that other creepy stalker got banned too.

Maybe he's in a perpetual search of central air conditioning.

 

[Chris92]

This might be true. If so, it's the first true thing I've heard here in this thread.

So what, they decided that with their founder and chief fundraiser gone, their money would be best passed along to another another charity that ostensibly meets similar goals, or failing that, be set aside to provide for any victims claims.

What's the beef with that? Why should they have dedicated their money (which might not have been enough, frankly, even if it was millions) to Lynne Abraham rather than kids and/or victims?

TSM could have liquidated and still paid for Freeh's investigation. You stated there weren't enough funds for their internal investigation which is pure BS.

 

[coveydidnt]

TSM could have liquidated and still paid for Freeh's investigation. You stated there weren't enough funds for their internal investigation which is pure BS.

But why would they pay $9Million to investigate themselves when the money could go to help kids?

No organization is obligated to spend all of their own money investigating themselves. That's insane.

 

[OldTiredLion]

But why would they pay $9Million to investigate themselves when the money could go to help kids?

No organization is obligated to spend all of their own money investigating themselves. That's insane.

Perhaps you should investigate YOURSELF. Start by going to a proctologist.

 

[L.T. Young]

I'm just a few minutes in and already my blood is boiling over Lynne Abraham going AWOL on ever investigating Second Mile.

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Sorry to rant...but Jeezus H. Christmas. After all these years, all this damage to the wrong institution and the larger community ....and it was okay for the Second Mile CEO to sit there as a witness for the prosecution and tell the jury about SWIM TRUNKS?

Are you effing kidding me?

It obviously isn't okay to any objective person that has actually looked into the case.

It's just a sad reality that few people did and allowed them to skate. Wanting to make sure everyone culpable gets identified isn't deflecting blame, but I think that's how some people saw it.

 

[Hotshoe]

This might be true. If so, it's the first true thing I've heard here in this thread.

So what, they decided that with their founder and chief fundraiser gone, their money would be best passed along to another another charity that ostensibly meets similar goals, or failing that, be set aside to provide for any victims claims.

What's the beef with that? Why should they have dedicated their money (which might not have been enough, frankly, even if it was millions) to Lynne Abraham rather than kids and/or victims?

Really? No one believes this bs. Well, except you.

 

[Nellie R]

Exactly. No one seems capable of explaining her issue with Lynne A, given that she ("Wendy") well knows there was no funding for Abraham to do any investigation. She ("Wendy") periodically posts this nonsense but it's clearly political and should be on the test board.

But there was plenty of "funding" for bulldozing dirt and paying lots of Insurance premiums for liability coverage they never used to reimburse PSU. Got it!

 

[Nellie R]

But why would they pay $9Million to investigate themselves when the money could go to help kids?

No organization is obligated to spend all of their own money investigating themselves. That's insane.

Except most of their money really wasn't going to "help kids"....

 

[Nellie R]

This might be true. If so, it's the first true thing I've heard here in this thread.

So what, they decided that with their founder and chief fundraiser gone, their money would be best passed along to another another charity that ostensibly meets similar goals, or failing that, be set aside to provide for any victims claims.

What's the beef with that? Why should they have dedicated their money (which might not have been enough, frankly, even if it was millions) to Lynne Abraham rather than kids and/or victims?

Except-they never did either of those things.

 

[psuro]

This might be true. If so, it's the first true thing I've heard here in this thread.

So what, they decided that with their founder and chief fundraiser gone, their money would be best passed along to another another charity that ostensibly meets similar goals, or failing that, be set aside to provide for any victims claims.

What's the beef with that? Why should they have dedicated their money (which might not have been enough, frankly, even if it was millions) to Lynne Abraham rather than kids and/or victims?

Because it was more like they were liquidating to keep from having /being able to pay to defend themselves and/or pay for an investigation

If you believe that anything that was done by TSM at that time was to benefit children I think you are sadly mistaken.

 

[coveydidnt]

Because it was more like they were liquidating to keep from having /being able to pay to defend themselves and/or pay for an investigation

If you believe that anything that was done by TSM at that time was to benefit children I think you are sadly mistaken.

So how is a any of that Lynne Abraham's fault?

She was & is a private citizen through this whole time period. Her only connection to TSM is that they hired her & then didn't pay her.

Yet here's a whole thread where she's on blast.

Not one person in 23 posts above listed one thing that was LAs fault or even within her control.

 

[coveydidnt]

But there was plenty of "funding" for bulldozing dirt and paying lots of Insurance premiums for liability coverage they never used to reimburse PSU. Got it!

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Explain how this is Lynne Abraham's fault please.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

 

[Chris92]

But there was plenty of "funding" for bulldozing dirt and paying lots of Insurance premiums for liability coverage they never used to reimburse PSU. Got it!

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FWIW, TSM's insurer(Federal Insurance Co.) won in Federal court and had no obligation to pay for JS's criminal and civil cases. Although, I'm not sure if PSU ever took any action against them.

https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/pamdce/4:2011cv02375/87730/71

 

[91Joe95]

TSM had millions in November 2011.

Yep, Corbett had just ensured they got more state funding.

 

[Mixolydian]

But why would they pay $9Million to investigate themselves when the money could go to help kids?

No organization is obligated to spend all of their own money investigating themselves. That's insane.

Having suspected Child Sexual Abuse of children in your own charity, perpetrated by the key figure in your own charity, go on under your nose for decades, and then moving it down the road to the Hilton Gardens with swim trunks is not helping kids you phucking idiot.

 

[Diego Badman]

Explain how this is Lynne Abraham's fault please.

I may be mistaken, but I thought Lynne pledged an investigation of TSM but did not follow through.

 

[AvgUser]

But why would they pay $9Million to investigate themselves when the money could go to help kids?

No organization is obligated to spend all of their own money investigating themselves. That's insane.

PSU spent $8+M for a supposed "investigation" of themselves

 

[wensilver]

I may be mistaken, but I thought Lynne pledged an investigation of TSM but did not follow through.

That is correct. She grandstanded about it November 2011 when the shitstorm happened, promised to turn over her findings to the PA Office of Attorney General because this was all "so horribly familiar, the gifts, the grooming, surely there were those at Second Mile who knew" ........and then............

Nothing.

So when Louis Freeh stood at the lecturn in Philadelphia and lied to a national audience about those stupid emails and "continually interfacing" - and when I asked him about Lynne Abraham and Second Mile - he danced around my question and shut down his press conference.

Court documents years later show that Abraham shifted gears, gift wrapped TSM to Arrow Ministries of Texas 6 short weeks later in January of 2012 then dropped from the radar.

I've never gotten a straight answer from anyone in the OAG on this, other than speaking with 2 former Attorneys General since November 2016, their theory is that TSM was funneling money to both parties in our state.

It was suggested that Jake Corman would ah, know more about this?

But hey.... "No One Is Above The Law" says #ThePeoplesAG

For some reason, TSM seems to be a Third Rail in all this. Any public persona that speaks up about it - gets silenced in some fashion. Or is mute from the get-go.

It's just bizarre.

 

[coveydidnt]

I may be mistaken, but I thought Lynne pledged an investigation of TSM but did not follow through.

Lynne was hired by TSM to do an internal investigation. Then TSM decided they didn't want to spend any money on an internal investigation. So Lynne Abraham did what you or I would do if our employer stopped paying us - she stopped working for them.

She was a private citizen.

Again, how is any of this her fault. What was she supposed to do, work for free? I wouldn't, you wouldn't, nobody would. In fact to do a real investigation she would have to hire staff & there would be other expenses. Why would any sane person expect her to pay for all of this out-of-pocket?

And why would anyone ask Freeh or OAG why she stopped her investigation? She wasn't working for them.

 

[Diego Badman]

Lynne was hired by TSM to do an internal investigation. Then TSM decided they didn't want to spend any money on an internal investigation. So Lynne Abraham did what you or I would do if our employer stopped paying us - she stopped working for them.

She was a private citizen.

Again, how is any of this her fault. What was she supposed to do, work for free? I wouldn't, you wouldn't, nobody would. In fact to do a real investigation she would have to hire staff & there would be other expenses. Why would any sane person expect her to pay for all of this out-of-pocket?

And why would anyone ask Freeh or OAG why she stopped her investigation? She wasn't working for them.

Hold on a second. Freeh was supposed to be doing a thorough investigation. I don't know about you, but $8 million can still get a lot. I will remind you that it was $8 million for about 7 months of "work."

The fact that TSM did not want an investigation should raise more questions.

I agree that if Lynne wasn't going to be compensated for her efforts, then she should not proceed. But, instead of going silent, come out and tell us why.

There have been too many things that just do not make sense in this sordid affair. The microscope has always been on the wrong people and the wrong institution. Certainly, that should raise questions.

 

[humpydudas19]

But there was plenty of "funding" for bulldozing dirt and paying lots of Insurance premiums for liability coverage they never used to reimburse PSU. Got it!

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Tax returns and annual reports tell only part of the tale. Without the accounting journals, no one is going to know how much Poole, his brother in law, Masser, Eckel and the other turds made from childrens "activities", rentals, construction work, food "services"/catering, real estate, "camps" and other pocket lining activities.

 

[didier]

Lynne was hired by TSM to do an internal investigation. Then TSM decided they didn't want to spend any money on an internal investigation. So Lynne Abraham did what you or I would do if our employer stopped paying us - she stopped working for them.

She was a private citizen.

Again, how is any of this her fault. What was she supposed to do, work for free? I wouldn't, you wouldn't, nobody would. In fact to do a real investigation she would have to hire staff & there would be other expenses. Why would any sane person expect her to pay for all of this out-of-pocket?

And why would anyone ask Freeh or OAG why she stopped her investigation? She wasn't working for them.

I thought I recall a Ganim article stating that Abraham was asked by the FBI to step down.

 

[didier]

"But the organization abandoned its own internal review in December when criminal authorities asked officials to keep quiet about what they knew. Instead, the law firm hired to find out what happened decided to focus on how the children’s charity could move forward"

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/second_mile_jerry_sandusky_1.html

 

[wensilver]

I thought I recall a Ganim article stating that Abraham was asked by the FBI to step down.

I'd like to see that. I don't recall.

In speaking with Kane - she and Castor had not heard a whiff from the Feds - who told her when she took office "they" would have TSM.

So when Castor publicly announced putting a team together - the General Assembly saw fit to return from vacay in Stone Harbor, Avalon and wherever - and seat Beemer.

Who then shut down the team and destroyed files.

But hey - "No One Is Above The Law".

 

[wensilver]

when criminal authorities asked officials to keep quiet about what they knew. Instead

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Nevermind - I read the article. Curious that PennLIE hasn't bothered to ever follow up on Second Mile's responsibility to explain their lack of oversight & the Out Of Program Contact with clients by the charity chairman, who now sits convicted of abusing those clients, by virtue of that Out Of Program Contact.

But hey - "Penn State Football" -----> clicks

#ClicksB4Kids