If you think football doesn't impact the bottom line at universities you should find a new hobby. Nice reasoning, Jay, on down voting football enhancements.
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If you think football doesn't impact the bottom line at universities you should find a new hobby. Nice reasoning, Jay, on down voting football enhancements.
Glad LaVar said that publicly. 😞 If he thinks he can force things to change by going public, he’s probably wrong.
It doesn't matter. The powers that be find more impact from $50m-$60m garages and museum complexes...
Why don't you list all 6 BOT's that voted against?
I have a great idea for a Starbucks ad campaign with you and Lavar. FADE IN: Your standing in line at Starbucks with a trombone ( better yet make it a tuba ) and Lavar jumps over you to the head of the line. We’ll call it “Leaping for Lattes”.
bwifan
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My post just advocated Mauti to replace Jay. Why don't you find good replacements for the other 5? I'm doing my part!
Franklin is rallying the troops - if you think he doesn't have a say in all this media blitz, you're nuts. The admin and donor base have been stingy with Franklin over the years and he's using all these open jobs to get shit done. I hope they keep it up.
No, by omitting the others you were simply attacking Jay.
Is Lavar wrong though?
If Franklin walks for more money and resources - what're the chances we find better or the same success? And think of the backlash the admin receives for not ponying up market value for Franklin? It's time for a lot of PSU supporters to wake up and get with the times. The potential bottom-line impact the program can have on the university is immense. Give the man what he wants.
Jay sucks. And he is one of the reasons that Franklin would leave. It's time to move on.
I’m wondering how much CFB is teetering on the brink of destruction? Hear me out - I’m not saying the sport is going anywhere, but the model we have known is on life support and the plug has been pulled. These kids are semi-professional, and the top echelon are probably full-blown pros. With the ncaa officially obsolete, how many schools will close up shop on their FB programs (or render themselves also-rans because they can’t keep up with the Jones’s)? How many D1 programs will be left standing when the dust settles? How much will it cost to compete in the new format?
IMO, Jay is right to ask these sorts of questions.
IMO, Jay is right to ask these sorts of questions.
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Well, according to Brandon Short people aren't donating as much because of how PSU treated and continues to treat Paterno. Perhaps the PSU administration should consider addressing the root cause of the problem.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is your Portland Cement Crack of the Week.
So much time has elapsed, anything PSU does to remedy their many past Paterno mistakes should be viewed suspiciously.
And they can ask for the bowl money back and invest it into the football program
bwifan
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Good question to ask and it's not just the sports programs. My ex works at a small private D3 university and she See's it everyday and we talk about it here. It's an arms race to build new buildings with latest technology etc on campus and many schools are driving themselves in serious financial trouble but feel like they have to do this to keep up or kids will go to schools with the newest and latest gadgets ... it's a spin cycle schools cant get out of ... tuition is skyrocketing with kids have massive debt when graduating for a under grad degree. My ex's school is over 50k a year ... for kids who don't have anyone helping them it's massive debt when they get out. Going to see chunks of colleges disappear long term or combine like public colleges are in PA now. Vicious cycle ...
If he is even one of the reasons it speaks more on Franklin than Jay. Jay has had zero influence for years and he is not a "money" donor. Let's not act like he has any influence or pull.
That would be nice, but i would rather have him as an assistant coach.
I see your point about the "cost to compete" - but what is State College/Penn State without football? Think about it. Football is PSU's greatest asset.
You invest in the football program to drive bottom-line for the university and State College.
He voted against football upgrades as a direct slap in the face to Franklin. Let's not act like he didn't. Jay has influence with the JoeBots. The same people that are withholding funds from the program.
Either you with Franklin, or you're not. And if he leaves for more money and resources, you can thank those same people when we're stuck with 7-5 seasons and dud like Moorhead driving the ship.
A couple of thoughts from an old guy ...
Joe Paterno's Football Program was a significant factor in establishing Penn State as a top notch research university with a national reputation. That program functioned as a bare bones operation (relatively speaking) because Joe kept things in line. He had loyal, long term assistants who were probably underpaid and Joe certainly could have sucked more dollars from the school than he did. He was a child of the early/mid 1900s.
Joe also had impact in university fundraising. He knew what he could do and he did it, arm-in-arm with the university's administration.
James Franklin has done the tour in his coaching career. He knows what he is up against and the internet certainly displays the largesse in athletic facilities at schools that annually are in the playoff conversation. The man wants elite status at PSU and is aware that he needs more to get there.
That sleepy hamlet in Central PA is no more. Franklin's football program's success sells PSU nationally and deserves the best available.
Of course, the 80 million dollar art museum can do the same (?).
All they need to do is get more out-of-state students to pay full price plus to find more dollars for the largesse. The local kids have to find alternatives for higher education.
Joe Paterno's Football Program was a significant factor in establishing Penn State as a top notch research university with a national reputation. That program functioned as a bare bones operation (relatively speaking) because Joe kept things in line. He had loyal, long term assistants who were probably underpaid and Joe certainly could have sucked more dollars from the school than he did. He was a child of the early/mid 1900s.
Joe also had impact in university fundraising. He knew what he could do and he did it, arm-in-arm with the university's administration.
James Franklin has done the tour in his coaching career. He knows what he is up against and the internet certainly displays the largesse in athletic facilities at schools that annually are in the playoff conversation. The man wants elite status at PSU and is aware that he needs more to get there.
That sleepy hamlet in Central PA is no more. Franklin's football program's success sells PSU nationally and deserves the best available.
Of course, the 80 million dollar art museum can do the same (?).
All they need to do is get more out-of-state students to pay full price plus to find more dollars for the largesse. The local kids have to find alternatives for higher education.
Agreed. May not like it but if you want to play for National Championships, you have to pay for facilities, etc. IMO much of Franklin’s refusal to outright deny interest in going elsewhere over the years was him using the uncertainty as leverage to try to get the upgrades to enable PSU to compete with the big boys.
This encapsulates myself and my larger extended family.
In a follow-up commercial, I’m enjoying a Pumpkin Spice Latte and blueberry scone, with my trumpet on the table, when LaVar walks up and gives me an ASS. BEATING.
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Does anybody have any perspective on whether significant FB facilities upgrades are truly necessary? I honestly don't...but Isn't this what all coaches do everywhere - they lobby for more and more $? Lasch was refurbished recently. I believe Holuba had some recent upgrades. Athletics rents a helicopter for JF's recruiting visits. He's making what, $6M / year? How much is enough?
As is always the case with the interwebs, Jay and football expenses was taken to the wrong extreme. Jay didn’t say he is wholeheartedly against spending on football for eternity. He voted no at that time, saying he didn’t feel it was the right time to spend big on football in light of COVID and related uncertainties.
And as others have pointed out, Jay was not the only trustee to vote no.
And as others have pointed out, Jay was not the only trustee to vote no.
In 2011, contributions to the football program were $2mm. In 2020, it was $9mm.
If you're looking for someone to blame for lack of resources, try your athletic director and president, not Jay and donors.
I’m not at all saying you’re wrong, but as a person who has fiduciary responsibilities to every university stakeholder, it would be wrong for him to not ask the questions.
I don’t get it.
By the way, it seems that none of the $26 MM from the Tombroses will go to football. Don’t they know anything about ROI? Shouldn’t we burn them down to the ground?
The problem is that people like Short, Arrington, and Mauti, good folks, but with narrow or no perspective, shoot their mouths off and the great unwashed show up with tar and pitchforks.
Lavar didn't go to Penn State to play school, so what do you expect him to say?
Considering what has gone down in the last 10 years, the crooks that currently run the place, and how they treated the best fund raisers the school ever had, why would anyone give large sums to those people. I know I would have a hard time sitting across the negotiating table from Sandy and Eric.
Considering what has gone down in the last 10 years, the crooks that currently run the place, and how they treated the best fund raisers the school ever had, why would anyone give large sums to those people. I know I would have a hard time sitting across the negotiating table from Sandy and Eric.
The fact that some think Mike Mauti would be a good trustee for no reason other than “he’ll rubber stamp football expenditures” is pretty sad.
Good questions. Donors funded the first phase of the Lasch renovation to the tune of $35mm+. That wasn't enough, so the University authorized $40mm of borrowing to fund Phase 2. I understand there is another phase to come to the tune of another $35mm.
Brandon Short needs company. BTW, he voted in favor of the last tuition increase.
I suppose you could try to ask Dabo, Day, Saban, and Smart....surly they could offer an opinion on the needs for championship level football?
