I bet you’re a lousy lawyer. Your arguments suck!!!
Plus, you need to know more about the topic you’re arguing about before you open your stupid mouth.
Micah Parsons says Carter Starocci is the greatest Penn State athlete of all time.
- Thread starter OKLionFan
- Start date
Plus, you need to know more about the topic you’re arguing about before you open your stupid mouth.
David Taylor is 10 years older than Brooks and in his mid-30s. The average age of Olympic men's freestyle medalists in Paris was 27. Median was 26. Mode was 25. Taylor was on the tail-end of his career and Brooks was just coming into his prime.
Yep!
CStar beats Kemerer, a man, as a freshmen!
CStar beats Lewis with a broken wrist!
CStar beats Labriola after an earlier bout with food poisoning!
CStar beats 2 Nat’l Champs on one leg
CStar beats arguably one of the best P4P in the country twice!
What more do you want?
These are all terrible attempts at counterarguments. The reality is, he competed in a realm where he was facing kids as young as 18 (the normal age for entering college), and where the normal age range is 18-22. That he ended up facing a lot of older people doesn't hurt my argument - it solidifies the point. The older guys were beating up and beating out the properly-aged candidates.
Your commentary re filling spots is nonsensical. It's patently false and doesn't even require a substantive rebuttal.
Taylor's ability to make 4 finals at that competitive of a weight class (or classes, since he competed at 157 his frosh year) ... including losing in one final to perhaps the greatest college wrestler in history ... speaks for itself.
A 23-year-old Brooks, entering his prime, beat a 33-year-old Taylor, at the end of his career. That doesn't tell you anything about which is the better athlete. Or wrestler.
It doesn't matter the physical shape you need to be in for it ... it's still a niche sport and skill.
Other than rebutting nothing, you did an excellent job.
Why does it being a niche sport matter at all? The best athletes are going to be found in football, basketball, soccer and in niche sports like wrestling, boxing, MMA, etc. It certainly won't be a sport like baseball. Whether it's mainstream has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of athlete. You're arguing dishonestly.
You tried to imply one weight class in difference in the middleweights (165 to 174) meant that there is somehow a large talent gap and that 174 is significantly easier. That weight is loaded with experience and depth at the college level and ALWAYS has been. Again, that's dishonest, so you take the easy way out and claim it's "patently false" because you can't defend it.
You clearly don't possess the knowledge to speak with authority on this topic but you do a great job at shutting down people to try to scare them off of correcting you.
You tried to imply one weight class in difference in the middleweights (165 to 174) meant that there is somehow a large talent gap and that 174 is significantly easier. That weight is loaded with experience and depth at the college level and ALWAYS has been. Again, that's dishonest, so you take the easy way out and claim it's "patently false" because you can't defend it.
You clearly don't possess the knowledge to speak with authority on this topic but you do a great job at shutting down people to try to scare them off of correcting you.
Last edited:
You know this how?
World class athletes typically would excel at any sport they try. They are different. That doesn’t mean Carter could just go play football or tennis today but it does mean if he started at age 8…..he would mostly likely be world class. Had Barkley decided to wrestle…we’d be cheering his championships. If Tiger Woods dad decided Tiger should play soccer…..He would have been elite and playing in the Premiership.
Go look at HS scholarship winners that are in smaller schools and can play two sports (most big schools won’t allow it). Those kids that earn a scholarship in one sport, often get one in another sport. Football/Lacrosse, Football Wrestling/ basketball / Vollyball. Ever see Doug Flutie play basketball? Imagine if he were 6-5.
Those people are not like us. But we use our frame of reference to decide who is better.
Carters natural balance exceeds all of us. It isn’t just “tenacity” which for elites is also on a different level than ours. Imagine if Carter was Jan Johnson’s size. We’d be talking about him as a 1st round pick.
Golf isn't about being an athlete--we can start right there
You watched Barkley hurdle someone backwards then land on his feet and continue to move forward right? That's balance.
Dude is a great wrestler that has a record simply due to COVID and being allowed to wrestle for 5 years. Great accomplishment. Great wrestler. Not on the level of Saquon.
I truly believe too many here overvalue wrestling simply because we're elite.
Nope. I got it straight from two different Olympic coaches. Soccer and Basketball. You operate in the prove it world. We will just disagree.
Football is a team sport.
Micah is going to earn $20M a season.
How much will Carter make?
Agreed. That's why you'd never see anyone like Bo Jackson, or Deion Sanders ... or even Michael Jordan ... playing baseball.
False. Plenty of world class athletes that don't excel at the hand-eye coordination (plenty that do, too) necessary to excel at some sports.
The greatest athlete is not the one with the greatest athletic talent. It's the one who performs the greatest when the pressure is on, in my book. Carter was always at his best when the lights were brightest. Give me any other athlete and I can point out failure. Saquon for all his talent couldn't manage a yard against Ohio State when we needed it the most. Brooks lost to Myles Amine in the Big Ten finals and Marcus Coleman in a dual meet junior year. Carter never wavered after freshman year Big Ten finals, avenging his loss to the much older Kemerer for the title.
Similar threads
