Most of us have read this article on did any one see this quote? Kind of hard to believe.

[RTLH]

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.
Both accused him of making up the story and threatened to call police if he told anyone else, the man told CNN.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

I have a very hard time believing this. Joe was pretty much of a stand up guy. Something just does not add up.
From the 98 incident he did report things to his superiors. He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

While I will not dispute facts from 98 on I have a difficult time Joe would have ever done anything like that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ward__debate_over_Paterno_s_legacy_grows.html

 

[UncleLar]

From the 70's accusation

He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

He did no such thing. I can't believe that falsehood continues to perpetuate.

 

[Woodpecker]

Just so I'm clear on this. A child gets molested, family decides not to contact police but rather the perp's work supervisor, that person threatens to call the police, and now they are complaining that the work supervisor didn't call the police? Is that right?

 

[UncleLar]

Just so I'm clear on this. A child gets molested, family decides not to contact police but rather the perp's work supervisor, that person threatens to call the police, and now they are complaining that the work supervisor didn't call the police? Is that right?

You're not clear. The family is making no such claims (I suspect they are long dead).

 

[BBrown]

Just so I'm clear on this. A child gets molested, family decides not to contact police but rather the perp's work supervisor, that person threatens to call the police, and now they are complaining that the work supervisor didn't call the police? Is that right?

Apparently Joe was the "go to guy" in State College, from 1970-2011. I've heard but haven't confirmed that 911 was redirected directly to Joe's house phone in the kitchen.
And they had conference calling in the 70's or did Joe and Jim just pass the black rotary phone's receiver back and forth?
Not sure why some of these "accusations" haven't made the "media" raise an eyebrow and make a funny huh? kind of face.

 

[jrd23psu]

I guess I'm not clear on this, either. Did the family contact the police? Or did they only contact Joe Paterno? Why would they contact Joe Paterno regarding this? Why wouldn't they go directly to the police? If the family did contact the police, what did they police say?

 

[KnightSlayer]

I guess I'm not clear on this, either. Did the family contact the police? Or did they only contact Joe Paterno? Why would they contact Joe Paterno regarding this? Why wouldn't they go directly to the police? If the family did contact the police, what did they police say?

The police said; why are you telling us? You need to run this by Paterno.

 

[Talpsu]

First off Joe wasn't involved in the 98 incident. Just for clarification to the OP. Second, the real question should be why the victim claims his foster parents assured him the police would not be called. If there was ever a time for a follow up question from a good reporter that surely would have been it. Why would they assure him the police wouldn't be called and what was the point then of calling Jim and Joe? What were they even trying to accomplish if they didn't want the police called?

 

[BBrown]

First off Joe wasn't involved in the 98 incident. Just for clarification to the OP. Second, the real question should be why the victim claims his foster parents assured him the police would not be called. If there was ever a time for a follow up question from a good reporter that surely would have been it. Why would they assure him the police wouldn't be called and what was the point then of calling Jim and Joe? What were they even trying to accomplish if they didn't want the police called?

Plus 1000. Why isn't anyone, besides us, asking these questions?
Seems to me that should have been the first thing out of their mouths.

 

[VaNtyLion]

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.
Both accused him of making up the story and threatened to call police if he told anyone else, the man told CNN.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

I have a very hard time believing this. Joe was pretty much of a stand up guy. Something just does not add up.
From the 98 incident he did report things to his superiors. He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

While I will not dispute facts from 98 on I have a difficult time Joe would have ever done anything like that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ward__debate_over_Paterno_s_legacy_grows.html

Let me guess - no one thought to call the foster mother or she has since passed so there is no way to verify, but in the meantime we're supposed to believe:

- They called the university instead of the police to report a rape.

- The people they contact tell them to hang on while we put two random other people on the phone

- The random people never give them their full name and they apparently never ask. One is obviously Joe because in the early 70s, everyone knows Joe by voice on the phone

- In response to the rape allegation and to protect a no-name LB coach, the university reps threaten to call the police themselves if the accusation doesn't go away (this alone should cause someone to question the sanity of this whole thing...in an attempt to keep the accusation from getting to the police PSU is going to call the police? Yeah, that certainly makes sense)

- Over the next 40 years the then 15-17 yr old child and his foster mother will sit by idly while Sandusky finds a charity for hundreds of low privileged boys.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Just so I'm clear on this. A child gets molested, family decides not to contact police but rather the perp's work supervisor, that person threatens to call the police, and now they are complaining that the work supervisor didn't call the police? Is that right?

Better yet, the "work supervisors" (if that is who the "these people" phone guys "Jim & Joe" were - I'm guessing they were Mr. Nobody, the figment of the imagination) supposedly told the victim that they were going to call the police immediately if he persisted......and the victim says that's when he got really scared and hung up.....huh? I thought he wanted them to call the police? Why wouldn't the victim have just said, "sounds like a good idea to me, call the police, I'm all for it." (BTW, it has been shown that the claimant was actually 17 in 1971, not 15, as Ganim's, I failed math 101, article claims!).

 

[PSUFBFAN]

I guess I'm not clear on this, either. Did the family contact the police? Or did they only contact Joe Paterno? Why would they contact Joe Paterno regarding this? Why wouldn't they go directly to the police? If the family did contact the police, what did they police say?

Because the entire sequence of events is BS and never happened! It is a made up story by some nutjob who answered the dinner bell when PSU said they would pay off anybody who alleged they were abused by sandusky in the past.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Because the entire sequence of events is BS and never happened! It is a made up story by some nutjob who answered the dinner bell when PSU said they would pay off anybody who alleged they were abused by sandusky in the past.

Actually, PSU said they would "pay off" anybody who could come up with any half-baked story, especially if it implied culpability to PSU Football in some way.... Take a look at paying AM something like $3M large via Shubin for simply claiming to be V2, when the OAG's Office says his claim to be V2 is FRAUDULENT and V2 is "known but to God" in the criminal trials!

 

[BUFFALO LION]

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.
Both accused him of making up the story and threatened to call police if he told anyone else, the man told CNN.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

I have a very hard time believing this. Joe was pretty much of a stand up guy. Something just does not add up.
From the 98 incident he did report things to his superiors. He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

While I will not dispute facts from 98 on I have a difficult time Joe would have ever done anything like that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ward__debate_over_Paterno_s_legacy_grows.html

Can you say "narrative"?

I can't believe Ganim had the guts to put that garbage out there under the CNN logo. Joe "threatened" he would call the police since the kid said he was molested??? And we are to believe that?

What does Ganim think the police would do if "Joe" followed through on his "threat" and the kid was telling the truth? Arrest the kid for being molested??? Even the National Inquirer doesn't think people are that stupid.

That piece is so poorly written and researched that it almost makes me think someone has something on her and she may be in this thing way over her head.

 

[nits74]

Plus 1000. Why isn't anyone, besides us, asking these questions?
Seems to me that should have been the first thing out of their mouths.

I think most of us know the answer to what I assume is this rhetorical question.

 

[BBrown]

Can you say "narrative"?

I can't believe Ganim had the guts to put that garbage out there under the CNN logo. Joe "threatened" he would call the police since the kid said he was molested??? And we are to believe that?

What does Ganim think the police would do if "Joe" followed through on his "threat" and the kid was telling the truth? Arrest the kid for being molested??? Even the National Inquirer doesn't think people are that stupid.

That piece is so poorly written and researched that it almost makes me think someone has something on her and she may be in this thing way over her head.

Well isn't that what everyone wanted Joe to do in 2001?
So I'm not seeing what the problem is.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I think most of us know the answer to what I assume is this rhetorical question.

Gee, it might have something to do with who holds all the power and authority albeit via morally-reprehensible corruption (e.g., they don't call Government government corruption, graft and tyranny "moral hazard" for nothing).Authorities can be pretty intimidating and scary when they carry their guns legally and OWN the Judiciary!

 

[bvillebaron]

Can you say "narrative"?

I can't believe Ganim had the guts to put that garbage out there under the CNN logo. Joe "threatened" he would call the police since the kid said he was molested??? And we are to believe that?

What does Ganim think the police would do if "Joe" followed through on his "threat" and the kid was telling the truth? Arrest the kid for being molested??? Even the National Inquirer doesn't think people are that stupid.

That piece is so poorly written and researched that it almost makes me think someone has something on her and she may be in this thing way over her head.

I never associate Ganim with courage or intelligence.

 

[LundyPSU]

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.
Both accused him of making up the story and threatened to call police if he told anyone else, the man told CNN.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

I have a very hard time believing this. Joe was pretty much of a stand up guy. Something just does not add up.
From the 98 incident he did report things to his superiors. He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

While I will not dispute facts from 98 on I have a difficult time Joe would have ever done anything like that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ward__debate_over_Paterno_s_legacy_grows.html

Then don't believe. Use your own brain to make conclusions, not what the media wants you to hear.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I never associate Ganim with courage or intelligence.

Yes, I would more associate the writer with greed and a willingness to do whatever for that financial success....IOW, a "sellout" and complete lack of substance or integrity (e.g., willing to whore whatever story if it potentially means big $$$ via clicks or payoffs).

 

[PSUPride1]

Let me guess - no one thought to call the foster mother or she has since passed so there is no way to verify, but in the meantime we're supposed to believe:

- They called the university instead of the police to report a rape.

- The people they contact tell them to hang on while we put two random other people on the phone

- The random people never give them their full name and they apparently never ask. One is obviously Joe because in the early 70s, everyone knows Joe by voice on the phone

- In response to the rape allegation and to protect a no-name LB coach, the university reps threaten to call the police themselves if the accusation doesn't go away (this alone should cause someone to question the sanity of this whole thing...in an attempt to keep the accusation from getting to the police PSU is going to call the police? Yeah, that certainly makes sense)

- Over the next 40 years the then 15-17 yr old child and his foster mother will sit by idly while Sandusky finds a charity for hundreds of low privileged boys.

Just amazing. Seems the world has lost any shred of deductive reasoning and common sense, or perhaps most never had any.
Of course I hear people say the corroboration is PSU paid these baseless claims so once again we have to thank those wonderful folks who were running the mothership at the time. Job well done ladies and gentlemen. smh.

 

[bvillebaron]

Yes, I would more associate the writer with greed and a willingness to do whatever for that financial success....IOW, a "sellout" and complete lack of substance or integrity (e.g., willing to whore whatever story if it potentially means big $$$ via clicks or payoffs).

Just a different type of prostitution, huh?

 

[ropa6203]

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.
Both accused him of making up the story and threatened to call police if he told anyone else, the man told CNN.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

I have a very hard time believing this. Joe was pretty much of a stand up guy. Something just does not add up.
From the 98 incident he did report things to his superiors. He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

While I will not dispute facts from 98 on I have a difficult time Joe would have ever done anything like that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ward__debate_over_Paterno_s_legacy_grows.html

Joe didn't admit he should've done more... Even our own misquote him, come on!

 

[EdH85]

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.

Joe, line two. Joe, line two.

 

[Art]

Then don't believe. Use your own brain to make conclusions, not what the media wants you to hear.

Asking Kenneth to use his own brain is a dangerous proposition.

 

[Obliviax]

So....a guy working for The Second Mile charity is accused of something and you call his employer? So, if I get raped by a dude outside of a nightclub who I know works for the water company, I call the water company?

Somebody said earlier, if this sequence is to be believed at all, it was an attempted shakedown. Regardless, the BOT's actions (with the NCAA and Freeh) set PSU up to be guilty of everything.

 

[psualum10]

So....a guy working for The Second Mile charity is accused of something and you call his employer? So, if I get raped by a dude outside of a nightclub who I know works for the water company, I call the water company?

Somebody said earlier, if this sequence is to be believed at all, it was an attempted shakedown. Regardless, the BOT's actions (with the NCAA and Freeh) set PSU up to be guilty of everything.

Second Mile wasn't even founded at this time

 

[Obliviax]

Second Mile wasn't even founded at this time

Right...good catch...withdrawn

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Pathetic and these liars are gonna get their day

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So....a guy working for The Second Mile charity is accused of something and you call his employer? So, if I get raped by a dude outside of a nightclub who I know works for the water company, I call the water company?

Somebody said earlier, if this sequence is to be believed at all, it was an attempted shakedown. Regardless, the BOT's actions (with the NCAA and Freeh) set PSU up to be guilty of everything.

Yes, but the BOT was hijacked by the most powerful "State Actor" in the Government, the former AG now Governor - Corbutt. Not only that, this most powerful "State Actor" was brought to power by the most powerful Political Junta in the State (and one of the most powerful and influential in entire Country) - GOP Junta with twin operations out of Hershey, PA and Montgomery County, PA..

 

[Obliviax]

Yes, but the BOT was hijacked by the most powerful "State Actor" in the Government, the former AG now Governor - Corbutt. Not only that, this most powerful "State Actor" was brought to power by the most powerful Political Junta in the State (and one of the most powerful and influential in entire Country) - GOP Junta with twin operations out of Hershey, PA and Montgomery County, PA..

Agree...but this also precedes Corbutt.

 

[Hotshoe]

The real story here is foster parents. They are under strict supervision by social workers. They would be looking out for the child. This makes no sense whatsoever. Back then, foster parents could not adopt the children. They had nothing to lose. Hogwash.

 

[Lion8286]

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.
Both accused him of making up the story and threatened to call police if he told anyone else, the man told CNN.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

I have a very hard time believing this. Joe was pretty much of a stand up guy. Something just does not add up.
From the 98 incident he did report things to his superiors. He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

While I will not dispute facts from 98 on I have a difficult time Joe would have ever done anything like that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ward__debate_over_Paterno_s_legacy_grows.html

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.
Both accused him of making up the story and threatened to call police if he told anyone else, the man told CNN.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

I have a very hard time believing this. Joe was pretty much of a stand up guy. Something just does not add up.
From the 98 incident he did report things to his superiors. He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

While I will not dispute facts from 98 on I have a difficult time Joe would have ever done anything like that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ward__debate_over_Paterno_s_legacy_grows.html

How the heck are Penn State alumni still getting the facts wrong after 4 years?

Are people really just dumb?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Agree...but this also precedes Corbutt.

Yes, the GOP Junta slowly took over PSU from about 1980 onward, until they took complete control to effectuate their False Narrative "cover" and "foil" once Corbutt won the Gubernatorial Race in late 2010 and was seated as Governor in Jan 2011. I would argue that Corbutt taking over was due to the political-Junta controlled elements who really controlled PSU growing more and more desperate since V1's DPW Complaint & Subsequent INvestigation in 2009 to cover their tracks in regards to Sandusky and State Actor/Agency failures over prior 20 years, so they finally settled on a plan of action that would cover everything predicated on Corbutt winning the Governor's Race. Once he won, they began putting the plan they crafted into place including Baldwin working as an "inside operative" and the rigged SWIGJ including both the FRAUDULENT 33rd Presentment and Judge.

 

[Art]

How the heck are Penn State alumni still getting the facts wrong after 4 years?

Are people really just dumb?

In Kenneth's case.....do you have to ask?

 

[hawkeyePSU]

From the 70's accusation

"Later, the man said, his foster mother contacted the university, and he was put on the phone with two men who introduced themselves only as Jim and Joe.
Both accused him of making up the story and threatened to call police if he told anyone else, the man told CNN.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

I have a very hard time believing this. Joe was pretty much of a stand up guy. Something just does not add up.
From the 98 incident he did report things to his superiors. He even admitted as he was dying he should have done more.

While I will not dispute facts from 98 on I have a difficult time Joe would have ever done anything like that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/educat...ward__debate_over_Paterno_s_legacy_grows.html

The thing that makes this unbelievable to me is that a random person doesn't just call "the university" and get put on the phone with Joe Paterno. Just ridiculous..

 

[capkrokus]

I guess I'm not clear on this, either. Did the family contact the police? Or did they only contact Joe Paterno? Why would they contact Joe Paterno regarding this? Why wouldn't they go directly to the police? If the family did contact the police, what did they police say?

If I was abused & called someone for help/advise, and they said go away or I will call he police on you, my response would be "please do, I need help". If they truly were abused and/or in danger they would welcome the police, not be deterred by them.

 

[Howie'81]

Just so I'm clear on this. A child gets molested, family decides not to contact police but rather the perp's work supervisor, that person threatens to call the police, and now they are complaining that the work supervisor didn't call the police? Is that right?

Story has more holes than swiss cheese.

 

[psuken]

Plus was Jim Tarman the Jim on the telephone? What did Tarman have to do with PSU in the early to mid 70's other than being the host of The Football Story. Crazy story.

 

[Woodpecker]

You're not clear. The family is making no such claims (I suspect they are long dead).

Thanks Lar. You seem to know those involved; so was it the family that called? Did they want Joe (or someone) to call the police or not? Who deemed Joe's (or whoever's) offer to call the police a threat?