Says he never heard of Nassar until Sept 2016.
Here's the podcast:
Here's the podcast:
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MSU trustee Mitch Lyons on Huge Show [PODCAST ADDED]
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Is he related to the below lady??
Apparently he's been a trustee for seven years. So he's going with the "I've never heard of him defense"? Why wasn't their board made aware of the recent Title IX investigation in which Nassar's buddies cleared him? It sounds like the strategy used by the Penn State BoT.
I saw the same defense back when I was a kid and watched Hogan’s Heroes. “I know nothing.”
Dodges question when asked if defense attorney advised board not to put anything on paper (eg, a report that would be subject to DO IS requests). Says he can vouch for Fitzgerald's integrity.
Says board did not know Nassar returned back to work before criminal investigation was completed in 2014.
Implied they were assured in advance that there would be no charges resulting from criminal investigation in 2014.
Called in twice in the last half hour but nobody answered the phone. Guess they're not subjecting Mitch Lyons to questions from the public.
Having heard portions of this interview, I can't believe MSU legal counsel allowed this fool to go on the radio to offer his "insight." That will prove costly. He completely threw Dean Strampel under the bus which I'm sure perked the ears of prosecuting attorneys.
Having heard portions of this interview, I can't believe MSU legal counsel allowed this fool to go on the radio to offer his "insight." That will prove costly. He completely threw Dean Strampel under the bus which I'm sure perked the ears of prosecuting attorneys.
Mitch Lyons lookin’ in the face of the KARMA TRAIN
TOOOOOOOOOOOT TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT CHUGGGAAAH CHUGGGGAHH!!!!!
I thought MSU's new policy was supposed to show concern, empathy, and remorse.
The host Bill Simonson just said look how fast Paterno went down. Sure, he could say he called his superior, but he WAS the superior. King Paterno. He could have stopped it. He could have picked up his phone and called the President. Child rapes happened at Penn State.
Hmm. I find it "Interesting" that Mitch knows what was going on 500 miles away but wasn't "aware" of what was happening on his own campus.
File Mitch under the category of Another, in a long line, of getting their cosmic and karmic justice.
And people wonder why we are enjoying schadenfreude.
Sorry, not feeling guilty in the least about deriving smug satisfaction from this.
Sorry, not feeling guilty in the least about deriving smug satisfaction from this.
People who didn't understand fact one of the sandusky case, including some michigan state athletic supporters, said the most vile things about Joe, Penn State, and Penn Staters as if a sandusky sort of case could not happen at their school or anywhere else. Now that those michigan state athletic supporters are seeing their school blow up, f*ck 'em.
IMHO, this is the greatest long term damage of the Sandusky scandal...the perpetuation of the false narrative that Sandusky happened only because of Penn Staters fanatical devotion to Paterno and football. This allowed people to smugly say "well we don't put some coach up on a pedestal or go crazy for sports so nothing like Sandusky could ever happen here." Disgraceful.
Wow! Mitchy, please tell us about how you do not read the papers (or even internet news) so there is no way you could have known............anything about Nassar or sexual assaults. Are there standing orders to not read anything in order to have..............plausible deniability?
It must be genetic that BOT members, even in the face of epic failures, want to hang on to fix the 119 recommendations that they did not know about at the time while crimes happened on their watch. Like they are smart enough to fix the things that they missed the first time just so they can say............"never again" even thought they probably know.....................we will likely screw up multiple times in the coming months.
It is also genetic that they have .............NO SHAME, since only one (Garban) resigned from PSU (32 members) and no one from MSU has yet (only 8 members......how do they try to run a university with so few brains) even considered stepping down. Mitchy, however, must have at least seen the PSU BOT power point presentation on..........public relations obfuscation because he has that thingy down.....................perfectly.
It must be genetic that BOT members, even in the face of epic failures, want to hang on to fix the 119 recommendations that they did not know about at the time while crimes happened on their watch. Like they are smart enough to fix the things that they missed the first time just so they can say............"never again" even thought they probably know.....................we will likely screw up multiple times in the coming months.
It is also genetic that they have .............NO SHAME, since only one (Garban) resigned from PSU (32 members) and no one from MSU has yet (only 8 members......how do they try to run a university with so few brains) even considered stepping down. Mitchy, however, must have at least seen the PSU BOT power point presentation on..........public relations obfuscation because he has that thingy down.....................perfectly.
PSU bot members don't read the papers either, so he's in good company.
Agreed. First, there is a clear false equivalency between fan reverence for a football coach and the notion of a child predator roaming free. Such a situation is far more complex considering the psychology of a child predator and the operation of and reporting structure at a large university. With all of that said, athletic supporters of other schools made the erroneous connection and used it to say all kinds horrible things about Joe and Penn Staters. Since then, we've seen the same reverence for football coaches at other schools as we were accused of with Joe. No one questions it at other schools because they are locked into the false equivalency at Penn State. It's O.K. to love football coaches at other schools, but it's sick at Penn State. That isn't logic. It isn't derived from some great understanding. It's just stupid and irresponsible.
(Ironically, when considering fan reverence for football coaches, naturally athletic supporters at other schools ignore all the good things that Joe did away from football (e.g., fundraising for the university, academic commitment). They also ignore that a major reason for that reverence for Joe Paterno were those things he did away from football.)
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Seems as though they don't discuss high profile legal matters being investigated by the feds either.
I advocate the following name changes: Mitch Lyons becomes
Mitch Lyins and Joel Ferguson becomes Turd Ferguson (SNL Celebrity Jeopardy reference)
Mitch Lyins and Joel Ferguson becomes Turd Ferguson (SNL Celebrity Jeopardy reference)
The public is, and always will be, incapable of understanding the subtle, but critically important, distinction between the BOT's actions and how PSU alums reacted to those actions.
This EXACTLY needs to make the public narrative. And how much longer will POS’s like Sandusky/Nassar continue to inflict damage before people take their smug heads out of their collective asses?
I just stumbled on something absolutely bizarre. FYI - It's not often I find myself walking around for an hour saying, my mind is blown.
First some background. It's about MSU's 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar:
The above is startling enough. But this isn't what I just stumbled on that blew my mind.
I was reviewing the MSU BOT meetings minutes in the time period right after the DOE released their 9/1/2015 report and up through when Action Item O was due on 12/31/2015. There were three trustee meetings in that time period. I found no mention of the DOE investigation. That in itself isn't horribly surprising. I suspect if the the MSU BOT did discuss it, it was in privileged meetings. But two items did jump out at me.
The first: MSU approved an update to a decade old policy, "Discipline and Dismissal of Tenured Faculty for Cause."
The second: at each MSU BOT one professor is invited to give a presentation on their current research. That in itself is not surprising. It makes sense that the trustees be given some insight into academics and research. But one of the professors' names jumped out at me and seemed familiar, which led to some more digging. This is what I was able to confirm.
During the three month time period that MSU failed to provide the DOE the results of the 2014 Nassar Investigation, the MSU BOT held three meetings. At each meeting, one faculty member was invited to present information of their research.
Here's what blew my mind. Among all the professors who could've been invited, one of those three was the father of the 2014 victim. I hope this is a only a coincidence. But... it's.... just... bizarre.
First some background. It's about MSU's 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar:
- The lead Title IX investigator in that 2014 investigation was Kristine Moore; it concluded in 7/2014.
- At the end of 2014, Kristine Moore shifted positions and joined MSU's Office of General Counsel (OGC)
- A year later, on 9/1/2015, the Department of Education (DOE) released the results of their investigation into how MSU handled Title IX complaints. Their investigation had started in 2011.
- As a result of this investigation, the DOE and MSU entered into a Resolution Agreement. Action Item O required MSU to provide reports of all complaints, including those "involving an employee perpetrator," for the past five, in order to, "determine whether the University investigated each complaint or report promptly and equitably." These reports were to be provided to the DOE no later than 12/31/2015.
- MSU failed to provide the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar. This omission was reported in late 2016.
- Of note, all communication from the DOE was sent to the MSU OGC. The only member of the OGC, then or now, with experience in either Clery Act, VAWA, or Title IX listed in their OGC bios was Kristine Moore - the same Kristine Moore who led the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar.
- Reporters recently uncovered emails in that there were two final reports from the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar. The one was sent to the claimant had far less in its conclusion; the other included recommendations for future changes, including policy changes. This likely does not meet the charge that Title IX investigations need to be "equitable".
The above is startling enough. But this isn't what I just stumbled on that blew my mind.
I was reviewing the MSU BOT meetings minutes in the time period right after the DOE released their 9/1/2015 report and up through when Action Item O was due on 12/31/2015. There were three trustee meetings in that time period. I found no mention of the DOE investigation. That in itself isn't horribly surprising. I suspect if the the MSU BOT did discuss it, it was in privileged meetings. But two items did jump out at me.
The first: MSU approved an update to a decade old policy, "Discipline and Dismissal of Tenured Faculty for Cause."
The second: at each MSU BOT one professor is invited to give a presentation on their current research. That in itself is not surprising. It makes sense that the trustees be given some insight into academics and research. But one of the professors' names jumped out at me and seemed familiar, which led to some more digging. This is what I was able to confirm.
During the three month time period that MSU failed to provide the DOE the results of the 2014 Nassar Investigation, the MSU BOT held three meetings. At each meeting, one faculty member was invited to present information of their research.
Here's what blew my mind. Among all the professors who could've been invited, one of those three was the father of the 2014 victim. I hope this is a only a coincidence. But... it's.... just... bizarre.
There are no coincidences......interesting that the father had a direct audience with school leaders after the 2014 Title IX report, with no action on Nassar, and talked about his research? Am I understanding that timeline relationship correctly?
I just stumbled on something absolutely bizarre. FYI - It's not often I find myself walking around for an hour saying, my mind is blown.
First some background. It's about MSU's 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar:
- The lead Title IX investigator in that 2014 investigation was Kristine Moore; it concluded in 7/2014.
- At the end of 2014, Kristine Moore shifted positions and joined MSU's Office of General Counsel (OGC)
- A year later, on 9/1/2015, the Department of Education (DOE) released the results of their investigation into how MSU handled Title IX complaints. Their investigation had started in 2011.
- As a result of this investigation, the DOE and MSU entered into a Resolution Agreement. Action Item O required MSU to provide reports of all complaints, including those "involving an employee perpetrator," for the past five, in order to, "determine whether the University investigated each complaint or report promptly and equitably." These reports were to be provided to the DOE no later than 12/31/2015.
- MSU failed to provide the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar. This omission was reported in late 2016.
- Of note, all communication from the DOE was sent to the MSU OGC. The only member of the OGC, then or now, with experience in either Clery Act, VAWA, or Title IX listed in their OGC bios was Kristine Moore - the same Kristine Moore who led the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar.
- Reporters recently uncovered emails in that there were two final reports from the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar. The one was sent to the claimant had far less in its conclusion; the other included recommendations for future changes, including policy changes. This likely does not meet the charge that Title IX investigations need to be "equitable".
The above is startling enough. But this isn't what I just stumbled on that blew my mind.
I was reviewing the MSU BOT meetings minutes in the time period right after the DOE released their 9/1/2015 report and up through when Action Item O was due on 12/31/2015. There were three trustee meetings in that time period. I found no mention of the DOE investigation. That in itself isn't horribly surprising. I suspect if the the MSU BOT did discuss it, it was in privileged meetings. But two items did jump out at me.
The first: MSU approved an update to a decade old policy, "Discipline and Dismissal of Tenured Faculty for Cause."
The second: at each MSU BOT one professor is invited to give a presentation on their current research. That in itself is not surprising. It makes sense that the trustees be given some insight into academics and research. But one of the professors' names jumped out at me and seemed familiar, which led to some more digging. This is what I was able to confirm.
During the three month time period that MSU failed to provide the DOE the results of the 2014 Nassar Investigation, the MSU BOT held three meetings. At each meeting, one faculty member was invited to present information of their research.
Here's what blew my mind. Among all the professors who could've been invited, one of those three was the father of the 2014 victim. I hope this is a only a coincidence. But... it's.... just... bizarre.
Wow.
I hope you will, or already have, find a way to get this information into a national forum. I am sure espn / E60 is not the best one to handle a true investigation, but their reports do get some notice. Lansing Journal? Detroit Free Press? I don't know how reputable they are. 60 Minutes?
I admire your diligence and work in fact-finding, JmmyW. Thanks for helping keep the narrative clear for those of us who have the interest to follow along. (Now if only the right people would take notice....!)
So, never heard of Nassar until Sept 2016, huh?I just stumbled on something absolutely bizarre. FYI - It's not often I find myself walking around for an hour saying, my mind is blown.
First some background. It's about MSU's 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar:
- The lead Title IX investigator in that 2014 investigation was Kristine Moore; it concluded in 7/2014.
- At the end of 2014, Kristine Moore shifted positions and joined MSU's Office of General Counsel (OGC)
- A year later, on 9/1/2015, the Department of Education (DOE) released the results of their investigation into how MSU handled Title IX complaints. Their investigation had started in 2011.
- As a result of this investigation, the DOE and MSU entered into a Resolution Agreement. Action Item O required MSU to provide reports of all complaints, including those "involving an employee perpetrator," for the past five, in order to, "determine whether the University investigated each complaint or report promptly and equitably." These reports were to be provided to the DOE no later than 12/31/2015.
- MSU failed to provide the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar. This omission was reported in late 2016.
- Of note, all communication from the DOE was sent to the MSU OGC. The only member of the OGC, then or now, with experience in either Clery Act, VAWA, or Title IX listed in their OGC bios was Kristine Moore - the same Kristine Moore who led the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar.
- Reporters recently uncovered emails in that there were two final reports from the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar. The one was sent to the claimant had far less in its conclusion; the other included recommendations for future changes, including policy changes. This likely does not meet the charge that Title IX investigations need to be "equitable".
The above is startling enough. But this isn't what I just stumbled on that blew my mind.
I was reviewing the MSU BOT meetings minutes in the time period right after the DOE released their 9/1/2015 report and up through when Action Item O was due on 12/31/2015. There were three trustee meetings in that time period. I found no mention of the DOE investigation. That in itself isn't horribly surprising. I suspect if the the MSU BOT did discuss it, it was in privileged meetings. But two items did jump out at me.
The first: MSU approved an update to a decade old policy, "Discipline and Dismissal of Tenured Faculty for Cause."
The second: at each MSU BOT one professor is invited to give a presentation on their current research. That in itself is not surprising. It makes sense that the trustees be given some insight into academics and research. But one of the professors' names jumped out at me and seemed familiar, which led to some more digging. This is what I was able to confirm.
During the three month time period that MSU failed to provide the DOE the results of the 2014 Nassar Investigation, the MSU BOT held three meetings. At each meeting, one faculty member was invited to present information of their research.
Here's what blew my mind. Among all the professors who could've been invited, one of those three was the father of the 2014 victim. I hope this is a only a coincidence. But... it's.... just... bizarre.
Wow. So now I am walking around with my mind blown TWICE--first by your report, and then by the thoroughness of your research.I just stumbled on something absolutely bizarre. FYI - It's not often I find myself walking around for an hour saying, my mind is blown.
First some background. It's about MSU's 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar:
- The lead Title IX investigator in that 2014 investigation was Kristine Moore; it concluded in 7/2014.
- At the end of 2014, Kristine Moore shifted positions and joined MSU's Office of General Counsel (OGC)
- A year later, on 9/1/2015, the Department of Education (DOE) released the results of their investigation into how MSU handled Title IX complaints. Their investigation had started in 2011.
- As a result of this investigation, the DOE and MSU entered into a Resolution Agreement. Action Item O required MSU to provide reports of all complaints, including those "involving an employee perpetrator," for the past five, in order to, "determine whether the University investigated each complaint or report promptly and equitably." These reports were to be provided to the DOE no later than 12/31/2015.
- MSU failed to provide the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar. This omission was reported in late 2016.
- Of note, all communication from the DOE was sent to the MSU OGC. The only member of the OGC, then or now, with experience in either Clery Act, VAWA, or Title IX listed in their OGC bios was Kristine Moore - the same Kristine Moore who led the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar.
- Reporters recently uncovered emails in that there were two final reports from the 2014 Title IX Investigation into Nassar. The one was sent to the claimant had far less in its conclusion; the other included recommendations for future changes, including policy changes. This likely does not meet the charge that Title IX investigations need to be "equitable".
The above is startling enough. But this isn't what I just stumbled on that blew my mind.
I was reviewing the MSU BOT meetings minutes in the time period right after the DOE released their 9/1/2015 report and up through when Action Item O was due on 12/31/2015. There were three trustee meetings in that time period. I found no mention of the DOE investigation. That in itself isn't horribly surprising. I suspect if the the MSU BOT did discuss it, it was in privileged meetings. But two items did jump out at me.
The first: MSU approved an update to a decade old policy, "Discipline and Dismissal of Tenured Faculty for Cause."
The second: at each MSU BOT one professor is invited to give a presentation on their current research. That in itself is not surprising. It makes sense that the trustees be given some insight into academics and research. But one of the professors' names jumped out at me and seemed familiar, which led to some more digging. This is what I was able to confirm.
During the three month time period that MSU failed to provide the DOE the results of the 2014 Nassar Investigation, the MSU BOT held three meetings. At each meeting, one faculty member was invited to present information of their research.
Here's what blew my mind. Among all the professors who could've been invited, one of those three was the father of the 2014 victim. I hope this is a only a coincidence. But... it's.... just... bizarre.
Great work!
