National Duals Pairings Delayed until Tomorrow
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There's no conspiracy theory. Iowa refuses to wrestle Virginia Tech so it screws the whole thing up.
It's a great microcosm of college wrestling that Tom and Terry are worried about a 10 year old grudge while Cael and Co. lap them.
It's a great microcosm of college wrestling that Tom and Terry are worried about a 10 year old grudge while Cael and Co. lap them.
I posted over on HR my thoughts on this.
If Brands hates them as much as it's been speculated, then get out in front of it. Make a statement. Tell the world that VaTech took a year of his kids eligibility away years ago. A year away from there dreams and he will never go to or have VaTech come to Iowa.
If he comes out and is honest about it, I for one will have NO problem with a coach standing by his guys like that.
If it just happens that Iowa wrestles App State and nothing more said that's a joke and it makes Iowa and the Brands look like as Dresser said "oranges"
If Brands hates them as much as it's been speculated, then get out in front of it. Make a statement. Tell the world that VaTech took a year of his kids eligibility away years ago. A year away from there dreams and he will never go to or have VaTech come to Iowa.
If he comes out and is honest about it, I for one will have NO problem with a coach standing by his guys like that.
If it just happens that Iowa wrestles App State and nothing more said that's a joke and it makes Iowa and the Brands look like as Dresser said "oranges"
Good post pish69 but really Brands should not have to come out and explain the dam situation imo..Everyone knows VT screwed them guys and wonder how Cal would have liked it if Iowa State did not release Taylor and his brother..Even Minnie released their high recurits I know if I was Brands no way would i want to help VT out..Heck just give them the win and move on dam event is not worth all this bs anyway.
I would rather have my guys coming in with a tough match behind them, with 12 days before the big's, than be cold and on the shelf for 3 weeks. Just me though. Every situation different.
This is the Cael and Tom compromise to the push to screw with the NCAA championship by including a dual portion to the team championship.
Tom has his name on this coaches event as much as Cael does. If this is be sucessful it is then time to put the VT/Iowa thing to bed.
As a fan, I would love to see that dual.
Don't disagree with you about VT's treatment of Metcalf et al. Just pointing out that Taylor still had his shirt year.
Taylor wasn't enrolled which makes Taylor a tad different than Metcalf and the others, but David had signed and submitted his NLI. If ISU had not released him he would have lost a year of eligibility.
I don't think it would have impacted Taylor that much. I believe he would have had to sit out his first year (he redshirted anyway) and he would have had 4 competition years available to him.
Metcalf and the others lost a competition year. VTech's argument is they got one year education for free and then they were just leaving. VATech was bitter and vindictive, but come on let it go.
For got Taylor had only signed and not enrolled so could sit out with the red shirt. Easy for you to say come on let it go, would u like to go and tell Metcalf and his family and the other families also. Screw VT they screwed these kids so that is it...Also it cost Brands and Iowa a champion ship sorry some things are hard to let go..
yes, just pointing out that even VT gave Billy Murphy a full release. He was in Taylor's situation.
It is easier for me to say let it go because I am just a fan. But back to, Tom has his name on this dual/bowl wrestling thingy and if he and Cael want it to succeed they need to be the ones setting the example. If there is going to be bickering about whose sandbox we are or are not going to play in, any success achieved will be fleeting.
10 years, what is the proper time frame for hanging onto one's anger?
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Your telling Penn Staters to let it go...1994 football..I think we know something about getting the shaft. Or Johnson catching the ball in Michigan with not 1 foot inbounds but 2 feet and calling incomplete. Giving Michigan 2 more seconds. 1994 was a least for a national championship which we got no support from the big ten (Includes Iowa) so yes let it go. It sucks, but tell Baby Brands to pull off the diapers and act like a man. If I reacted to everything negative in my life I wouldn't make it outside the door. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Holding onto this belief that we could have won a national championship (when nobody was even on the mat) is crap.
Time for Brands to put big boy pants on and grow up. VT did what VT did but its ancient history at this point.
Iowa would handle VT rather easily this year IMHO. This despite Iowa giving VT a "freebie" at HWT. They are not a good matchup for VT at all....
Gilman Dec Dance 3-0
Hurt Clark MD Gustafson 7-0
Carton dec Ryan 10-0
Sorensen Dec Chishko (who looks really good BTW, very
Skilled) 13-0
Kemerer Dec Mastriani 16-0
Gunther dec Bergida 19-0
epperly dec Meyer 19-3
Brooks dec Zavatsky 22-3
Haught MD Wilcke 22-7
Waltz TF Holloway 22-12
Gilman Dec Dance 3-0
Hurt Clark MD Gustafson 7-0
Carton dec Ryan 10-0
Sorensen Dec Chishko (who looks really good BTW, very
Skilled) 13-0
Kemerer Dec Mastriani 16-0
Gunther dec Bergida 19-0
epperly dec Meyer 19-3
Brooks dec Zavatsky 22-3
Haught MD Wilcke 22-7
Waltz TF Holloway 22-12
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That's the kicker, isn't it. Brands has the opportunity to roll into Blacksburg and stick it to them if he wants.
Brands is pretty good at marketing. He could win that and the match and in doing so give those 4 kids a small small bit of revenge.
He'll if I'm brands I offer to pay for those 4 to travel to the match and sit on the bench.
Who could get mad at that. But not going will reverberate for years to come and the sport doesn't need it.
Ohhh! I like that - very Sicilian in its vengefulness
Yeah...let it go. Holy cow, we're on the verge of competing for a Big Ten Championship and a National Championship.
"Holding on to anger is like swallowing poison and expecting the other person to die."
Seems to me that this does more damage to the Iowa program (and wrestling in general) than it does to VT.
Seems to me that this does more damage to the Iowa program (and wrestling in general) than it does to VT.
Careful with such statements. You may be asked to provide "proof" that Iowa refusing to wrestle VaTech will have any consequences and will be bad for the sport.
... #3 seed Iowa vs #24 Edinboro!...
...instead of #5 VTech...
...or #7 North Carolina State...
...or #8 Cornell...
...or #11 Lehigh...
...or #17 South Dakota State...
...or #20 Appalachian State...
...go figure!!!...
...instead of #5 VTech...
...or #7 North Carolina State...
...or #8 Cornell...
...or #11 Lehigh...
...or #17 South Dakota State...
...or #20 Appalachian State...
...go figure!!!...
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If I understand this thread, it seems Tom made a ~promise to never do this thing: help VT by choosing to wrestle VT. So, all he has to do is to go there and say, "I am not choosing to go to VT; the National Duals chose VT for us." There would be no loss of face at all. Going would not be breaking his promise. Going would just be called giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Caesar = National Duals.
On the other hand, if Tom forfeits or uses his clout to somehow change his assignment, he ruins the fans' enjoyment of the National Duals, and it would be all on him--his choice, his fault. That is called not being a team player, to the team (current National Duals format) that he and Cael helped start.
Imagine if a team makes the Super Bowl but decides to forfeit because it hates the opponent. WTH?!?
If Tom does not go, he will shrink his stature, and the next time he has a political fight with the NWCA or anyone else, he will be a weaker leader than he was the last time. What a waste of reputation capital it would have been. Drinking poison is right.
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#3 versus #24 - I wonder if the NWCA committee punished Iowa with this unattractive matchup due to Brand's refusal to wrestle Virginia Tech? Is the NWCA committee made up of coaches?
I wish like the football bowls these could become events with guys doing site seeing, getting swag, and most importantly getting 25-50k per contest for their program.
The incentive to qualify and win is missing.
Normally a good poster Minn, you cant defend the indefensible. He agreed and twice in two years reneged. in what way does this promote or grow interest in the sport. Sorry, but sir this is wrong.
This. Since you won't play by the rules we are going to go out of our way to find you the worst possible matchup.
Send Tom a "At least we finished in the top ten" NWCA tee-shirt and a participation trophy.
Ha ha...3 or 4 of them went to VT knowing they were going to Iowa the following year.....Iowa could not take them if you remember that year....Then when they left the VT Coached was pissed....He had been set up....Same old Same old....
While Edinboro has a very solid team, what seems to be lost in this discussion is that Iowa intentionally avoids 6 or 7 match-ups (and multiple potential losses) with Virginia Tech that could affect seeds at NCAA including Gilman vs. Dance and numerous upper-weight bouts (e.g., 174 and 184). For whatever excuses the Brands come up with (and we can even discount intentions here), the outcome is that Iowa avoids tough opponents both early in their season and late in their season. Tom Ryan must have internalized this "strategy" at his time with Iowa as well.
Five weeks? More like two weeks, tops. And the answer - almost no one.
Yeah, I get that Tom and Terry Brands are being pig-headed and childish about this whole thing, which presents a wonderful opportunity to pile on the crap. But, really, if Iowa rather wrestle Edinboro than VaTech, well, let them. I'm not gonna get worked up about it.
On the plus side, the National Duals is giving college wrestling the PSU-Okie State match-up that everyone wants to see. Everything else is gravy.
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