NCAA At large bids are out
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That is a very unusual choice. He went 0-2 at the ACC's. No other wrestler was picked at large with a losing record (Headlee at 15-13 was next closest record). There must have not been any better candidates that met the silver standard (or whichever standard you have to have to qualify for at-large).
Off the top of my head LJ Bentley, Noah Baughman, Kyle Atkins should be in over sub 500
Did they all have enough matches to qualify for an at-large bid. If so, that's really strange. Baughman got to the finals of the EIWA's--he would certainly deserve a spot over 11-14 Norstrem who went 0-2 in his conf championships!
Akins was 21-9 going into his conference tournament. I know won his first match, but I’m not sure what he did after. I can’t believe he didn’t get selected. My only thought is maybe he lost to Barlow McGee in the tournament and the committee selected McGee instead.
Just looked at wrestlestats..I was wrong on Bentley..Atkins is 21-10 and Baughman 23-9
Just a guess here: Norstrem got a lot of credit for his schedule. Only 3 of those losses were to non-qualifers (and one of those was to Schram -- who definitely qualifies if not injured).
He seemingly didn't really have any great wins. Best wins were Curry (fall), Allen (MD), and McGhee (dec). Among the snubbed, he beat Bentley (fall) and Meink.
But then when you look at the guys who got snubbed, they didn't have any great wins either:
- Hellickson's best win was Matt Parker, who's shirting
- Akins' best win was Hudgkins -- and then lost to him at MACs
- Baughman only had 13 matches at 125, after dropping from 133. Excluding forfeits, he went 7-4, best win was Curry. And he got teched by Werner, who didn't qualify.
- Werner teched Baughman and Bunduka, but then lost to Bunduka 2x at EWLs.
Etc. That's far enough down the possible candidate list.
Point is: I have no idea how Norstrem got on the At Large candidate list, but once there I can somewhat see the selection -- his win over McGhee was the best of them, the other guys didn't exactly distinguish themselves, and he beat some of them.
He seemingly didn't really have any great wins. Best wins were Curry (fall), Allen (MD), and McGhee (dec). Among the snubbed, he beat Bentley (fall) and Meink.
But then when you look at the guys who got snubbed, they didn't have any great wins either:
- Hellickson's best win was Matt Parker, who's shirting
- Akins' best win was Hudgkins -- and then lost to him at MACs
- Baughman only had 13 matches at 125, after dropping from 133. Excluding forfeits, he went 7-4, best win was Curry. And he got teched by Werner, who didn't qualify.
- Werner teched Baughman and Bunduka, but then lost to Bunduka 2x at EWLs.
Etc. That's far enough down the possible candidate list.
Point is: I have no idea how Norstrem got on the At Large candidate list, but once there I can somewhat see the selection -- his win over McGhee was the best of them, the other guys didn't exactly distinguish themselves, and he beat some of them.
Where is Seton Hall Pirate? He is the expert on this stuff. I'd like to hear his thoughts on all the at large and who he feels got snubbed
Once they have the list of Bronze Standard wrestlers, it's all about the criteria below...
-- Head-to-head competition — 25 percent
-- Quality wins — 20 percent
-- Coaches ranking — 15 percent
-- Results against common opponents — 10 percent
-- RPI — 10 percent
-- Qualifying event placement — 10 percent
-- Win percentage — 10 percent
I did not look at any of the wrestlers results, so can't comment on why Norstrem was selected.
-- Head-to-head competition — 25 percent
-- Quality wins — 20 percent
-- Coaches ranking — 15 percent
-- Results against common opponents — 10 percent
-- RPI — 10 percent
-- Qualifying event placement — 10 percent
-- Win percentage — 10 percent
I did not look at any of the wrestlers results, so can't comment on why Norstrem was selected.
ISU didn't pick up any at large sections and will have 1 NCAA qualifier. Unbelievable how far that program has fallen. I think Dresser is a good coach but he really has his work cut out for him. They do have a few guys in redshirt that probably would of been qualifiers and a good recruiting class coming in so there is some hope.
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For these purposes, only Baughman's matches at 125 count. So he is 9-4 with no wins over anyone who earned an automatic bid. That probably did him in.
All 4 Finesilvers from Duke are in; that's pretty cool.
I believe there were 3 Sandersons (Cody, Cole, and Cael) in at least one NCAA tournament.
I believe there were 3 Sandersons (Cody, Cole, and Cael) in at least one NCAA tournament.
Sad yet true. Progress back to respectability will be slow. Hoping to qualify 4-5 guys next year and at least that every year following. 19-20 season should be the first clue if these guys can get it turned around or not.
Pohlmeyer and Dippery seems like pretty much of a pick 'em. No head to head, both 2-1 against common opponents, both finished one spot out of auto-qualifying, win percentage is virtually identical (Pohl 70.97, Dip 70.37). Dippery's RPI is 30th, but Pohlmeyer's must be just out of the top 33.
That's a bit dramatic. Using wrestlestat, which includes back-ups and redshirts, Akins' wins were vs #'s; 135, 107, 111, 88, 101, 35, 107, 133, 45, 224, 114, 98, 44, 67, 143, 54, 143, and 73.
His losses were vs; 30, 35, 77, 17, 26, 11, 28, 60, 51, 55.
Not a great resume, or "body of work". I know that's not the criteria from my earlier post, though it does give a big picture perspective. I'm guessing Akins / Norstrem were the last 2 wrestlers discussed by the committee for that 33rd spot.
The coaches had nothing to do with Akins losing to McGhee at MACs. Win that match and he's likely in -- at the very least it removes Norstrem's common opponents edge.
You call it math, I'll call it a comparison, with permutations out the wazoo, given how many Bronze Standard kids there are in each weight class. Still a human component, like it or not...and as I said, this had to be a close call.
There is this guy over on HR who has all the compliance contact information anybody would ever need.
Sorry, nothing to do with you. It came in underhanded, I had to swing at it.
Agree with west2east. Its good ol' boy. Why have committee and have a mathematical equation? Tom Ryan commented on Twitter how they deliberated for 19 hours. How? SHP, WEST2, Myself and others ran numbers in much less time. 6/7 guys out is too many for a "proven mathematical equation". Its rigged. You guys are naive, understand Mizz, American and OHIO ST were corrupt in their seeds/at-large. look at brackets.
