NCAA's vs Olympics...

[androcles]

...after spending the last weekend in Cleveland , watching one exciting match after another, topped off by the finals, I am more than ever before convinced that collegiate style is more attractive than (Olympic) freestyle...
...the pace is much faster, the variety of moves is much more interesting and the outcome swings back and forth much more often ...
... two areas that are about equal are the wide range of competence of the referees and the growing interruption of action to question referees' decisions...or
sometimes obviously provide a second wind to a tiring wrestler...
...but thas jes my opinion..

 

[BOSCO2]

...after spending the last weekend in Cleveland , watching one exciting match after another, topped off by the finals, I am more than ever before convinced that collegiate style is more attractive than (Olympic) freestyle...
...the pace is much faster, the variety of moves is much more interesting and the outcome swings back and forth much more often ...
... two areas that are aboout equal are the wide range of competence of the referees and the growing stoppage of action to question referees' decisions...
...but thas jes my opinion..

The constant appeals drive me nuts, especially when they still blow the call. Ridiculous that the ref that made the call does his own reviews. Zero consistency with stall calls and damned few of them. We even saw inconsistency in pin calls.

 

[JohnnyHandsome]

Im 100% for folk style over free style.. much more interesting and a better test imo...

I really dont like the freestyle bottom wrestler sprawling out trying not to get turned as opposed to fighting to escape/score. The call for passivity is so subjective and puts way too much influence into the refs hands, as if they didnt already have enough. Coupled with the 30 sec clock, can change the outcome of a match for a number of reasons.

The name of the game in wrestling should be working for the fall. A rare occurrence in freestyle

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I strongly prefer folkstyle.

 

[billrag]

Yeah, me too. I'm trying to watch and enjoy freestyle more because I know that it's more popular on the international stage and know that folkstyle isn't really available after college, but I just enjoy folkstyle more, and that's not going to change.

 

[lockhavenlion3]

Yeah, me too. I'm trying to watch and enjoy freestyle more because I know that it's more popular on the international stage and know that folkstyle isn't really available after college, but I just enjoy folkstyle more, and that's not going to change.

agree. if the movement afoot to make college wrestling freestyle ever gains traction, it'll end my long time love of the sport. i much prefer a sport where the winner must be reasonably proficient in all three positions on the mat.

 

[androcles]

... one FS rule that is also puzzling is that after a tie one of the possible criteria for winning is "last point scored"...
...can you imagine baseball, football, basketball, volleyball , etc., etc. teams winning a tied contest by last run or point scored?...

 

[ClarkstonMark]

This thread reminds me of an interaction I had Thursday night.
I was out of town on a business trip, and was meeting 3 colleagues in the hotel bar before going to dinner.
I got to the bar early and luckily 2 screens were showing wrestling not hoops. Watched for awhile and saw the Nevills match, so I was pretty intensely watching when my colleagues showed up. on guy says whay style is that ...
the Canadian answers, Greco
the German answers, Freestyle
I say, no, that is folkstyle, maybe onlypopular in America.
Neither of these guys had ever heard of it.
Made me wonder, do any other countries wrestle folk?

 

[nerfstate]

FS has grown on me over the years, but I still take exception to any sport where a big move could be 4 points for either competitor depending on the ref's vantage (See David Taylor vs. Ed Ruth).

The goal, as Foley would put it, is to remove a need for "control" and thereby increase action, highlighting technique. It's a goal that works against the sport, IMO. Wrestling is wrestling: about dominating the other competitor. If you wanna see great technique go watch a Bruce Lee movie.

That said, I do like how a Freestyle bout can change in the blink of an eye. No doubt about it, there are more opportunities to score in FS (see Mark Hall's points in Free). Unfortunately, you also get shave-bear push-out fests too many times in free, IMO.

 

[nitlion6]

... one FS rule that is also puzzling is that after a tie one of the possible criteria for winning is "last point scored"...
...can you imagine baseball, football, basketball, volleyball , etc., etc. teams winning a tied contest by last run or point scored?...

Knowing you need something objective that going into a match everybody knows what breaks a tie, is last point scored any different that greatest amount of OT riding time?

 

[nitlion6]

I am always going to favor folkstyle. It is what I grew up doing and as an adult have passionayely participated in as fan, coach and ref.

With that said, I appreciate and like freestyle. Just not as much as folk.

 

[androcles]

... belly out on the bottom without a turn for about 5 seconds and you're rewarded by being put up on your feet neutral...
... leg lace your opponent and keep "exposing" his back to the mat - with no requirement to have his shoulders even touch the mat - and you get 2 points... you can keep rolling around the mat WITHOUT releasing the leg lace each time and run up the score pretty quickly, even though the bottom wrestler was NOT in ANY danger of being pinned !!!!...

 

[1AA]

There was women's world cup on the Olympic channel this weekend. It was very entertaining.

 

[a_mshaffer]

FS has grown on me over the years, but I still take exception to any sport where a big move could be 4 points for either competitor depending on the ref's vantage (See David Taylor vs. Ed Ruth).

The goal, as Foley would put it, is to remove a need for "control" and thereby increase action, highlighting technique. It's a goal that works against the sport, IMO. Wrestling is wrestling: about dominating the other competitor. If you wanna see great technique go watch a Bruce Lee movie.

That said, I do like how a Freestyle bout can change in the blink of an eye. No doubt about it, there are more opportunities to score in FS (see Mark Hall's points in Free). Unfortunately, you also get shave-bear push-out fests too many times in free, IMO.

For Foley - I've seen a lot of boring freestyle matches...Some are all about defense which are now driven by a one point stalling call (essentially)

 

[wrestlinPSU]

... one FS rule that is also puzzling is that after a tie one of the possible criteria for winning is "last point scored"...
...can you imagine baseball, football, basketball, volleyball , etc., etc. teams winning a tied contest by last run or point scored?...

I just can't that over that rule. Whomever created it need their head examined. Reward for doing something second is insanity.

 

[BoroBuilt]

...after spending the last weekend in Cleveland , watching one exciting match after another, topped off by the finals, I am more than ever before convinced that collegiate style is more attractive than (Olympic) freestyle...
...the pace is much faster, the variety of moves is much more interesting and the outcome swings back and forth much more often ...
... two areas that are about equal are the wide range of competence of the referees and the growing interruption of action to question referees' decisions...or
sometimes obviously provide a second wind to a tiring wrestler...
...but thas jes my opinion..

The pace of free is much much faster due to the lack of riding. If it weren’t for the constant challenges free matches would fly by. If you haven’t been to any sr level events I highly recommend it. I do agree however that freestyle criteria (lack of ot) and increased subjectivity (scoring) make folk a slightly better product. The danger rule in folk was a big improvement this year imo.

 

[chrisrn1965]

Knowing you need something objective that going into a match everybody knows what breaks a tie, is last point scored any different that greatest amount of OT riding time?

That occurs much more rarely in folk than winning by criteria in free.

 

[nitlion6]

That occurs much more rarely in folk than winning by criteria in free.

Still need something objective. Last score is miles ahead of ball grab.

First offensive points scored would make more sense.

 

[androcles]

...why not just MOST points scored?...

 

[nerfstate]

Sudden victory then? Sounds like "last points scored' to me Plus, it could come down to a passivity clock point, and international refs would have even more opportunity to hose somebody.

I have no answers to this problem though.