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Not good news for Greensboro or Charlotte hosting NCAA wrestling

royboy

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In the news yesterday (and topic on McAndrew board) about the NCAA pulling 7 championship events, including early round NCAA Basketball games, from sites in North Carolina. This is all about the NC Legislature coming up with a bill that some feel discriminates against transgender people.

I know Greensboro was very interested in hosting future NCAA Wrestling Championships. Unless this political issue is decided soon (aren't the future sites announced by year end), this won't have a chance of happening. Unfortunate.
 
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aren't the future sites announced by year end

The 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 sites will be announced in December of this year.

All bids were due by 11:59 EDT on Aug. 12. At this point in the process, the committee is reviewing all bids. They will make recommendations in November, and the sites will be announced in December.

In the last round of bidding (in 2013), I believe we knew the identity of the cities that had submitted bids a few months before the announcements were made. I haven't stumbled upon anything that includes this info in this round of bids.
 
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The 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 sites will be announced in December of this year.

All bids were due by 11:59 EDT on Aug. 12. At this point in the process, the committee is reviewing all bids. They will make recommendations in November, and the sites will be announced in December.

In the last round of bidding (in 2013), I believe we knew the identity of the cities that had submitted bids a few months before the announcements were made. I haven't stumbled upon anything that includes this info in this round of bids.
The 8 Finalists were announced October 30, last cycle...I would expect a similar announcement, but heaven-only-knows with the NCAA...and the site selections (for all NCAA Sports) were announced December 11, again, not sure of an exact date this year, all the NCAA has said is "December".

One thing missing this year is the announcements each city made after they prepared their bid. I remember very specifically (though I didn't save any of the articles), Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Boston, Atlanta, and Louisville, and maybe another one or two, that made public announcements that bids were submitted. All's quiet this time around.

http://content.themat.com/section.php?section_id=3&page=showarticle&ArticleID=27130
 
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...so now the NCAA sticks its nose into another place and tells a sovereign state that they don't approve of a state law ...

...I thought only the federal government could do that...

...oh,well....

Make no mistake about it - this is a business decision, not a political decision. And the NCAA is, after all, a business.
 
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Make no mistake about it - this is a business decision, not a political decision. And the NCAA is, after all, a business.
Huh? You lost me there. What's the business decision rationale for the NCAA pulling already scheduled events out of North Carolina?
 
Huh? You lost me there. What's the business decision rationale for the NCAA pulling already scheduled events out of North Carolina?
Potential loss of sponsors, which is a business decision driven by politics, but not necessarily a political decision.
 
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Potential loss of sponsors, which is a business decision driven by politics, but not necessarily a political decision.
And not just loss of sponsors; also potentially loss of viewers, especially if the issue blows up and gets ugly. NCAA is perfectly within its rights to say, "Who needs the headache? Let's go someplace without the controversy."
 
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And not just loss of sponsors; also potentially loss of viewers, especially if the issue blows up and gets ugly. NCAA is perfectly within its rights to say, "Who needs the headache? Let's go someplace without the controversy."
Sure sounds like a political decision or do you somehow doubt the words of Mark Emmert? http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...relocate-championships-north-carolina-2016-17

In its decision Monday, the Board of Governors emphasized that NCAA championships and events must promote an inclusive atmosphere for all college athletes, coaches, administrators and fans. Current North Carolina state laws make it challenging to guarantee that host communities can help deliver on that commitment if NCAA events remained in the state, the board said.

“Fairness is about more than the opportunity to participate in college sports, or even compete for championships,” said Mark Emmert, NCAA president. “We believe in providing a safe and respectful environment at our events and are committed to providing the best experience possible for college athletes, fans and everyone taking part in our championships."

The board stressed that the dynamic in North Carolina is different from that of other states because of at least four specific factors:

  • North Carolina laws invalidate any local law that treats sexual orientation as a protected class or has a purpose to prevent discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender individuals.
  • North Carolina has the only statewide law that makes it unlawful to use a restroom different from the gender on one’s birth certificate, regardless of gender identity.
  • North Carolina law provides legal protections for government officials to refuse services to the LGBT community.
  • Five states plus numerous cities prohibit travel to North Carolina for public employees and representatives of public institutions, which could include student-athletes and campus athletics staff. These states are New York, Minnesota, Washington, Vermont and Connecticut.
“As representatives of all three divisions, the Board of Governors must advance college sports through policies that resolve core issues affecting student-athletes and administrators,” said G.P. “Bud” Peterson, Board of Governors chair and Georgia Institute of Technology president. “This decision is consistent with the NCAA's long-standing core values of inclusion, student-athlete well-being and creating a culture of fairness.”

Emmert said the NCAA will determine the new locations for these championships soon.

“The NCAA Constitution clearly states our values of inclusion and gender equity, along with the membership’s expectation that we as the Board of Governors protect those values for all,” said Susquehanna University President Jay Lemons, vice chair of the Board of Governors and chair of the ad hoc committee on diversity and inclusion. “Our membership comprises many different types of schools – public, private, secular, faith-based – and we believe this action appropriately reflects the collective will of that diverse group.”
 
Who cares about the loss of sponsors? It the loss of customers. If the customers are there, the sponsors will follow. I don't get it. They're literally trying to force-engineer the loss of customers.

The point is the NCAA made this decision based on MONEY concerns. They don't care at all about the issues whether it be this law or Sandusky or any other issue. They blow whichever way the wind blows to make sure they alienate the fewest people possible.
 
...what if Duke, North Carolina, N C State, and Wake Forest said to the NCAA, "We will not participate in your March Madness"!...
 
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Do people really think that the NC law will really affect wrestling fans' attendance at the NCAA's? Wrestling fans are wrestling fans! Wherever it is, we'll go. We're not trying to make a political/economic statement. We just want to watch wrestling!!
 
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I'm also saying - look where the younger generation is on this kind of issue. Old farts (like me!) may tend to lean a bit more conservative on social issues, but anyone with an eye on younger folks (I've got 2 in high school now) would likely see that the winds are changing; at least that's how it appears from where I stand.
 
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The point is the NCAA made this decision based on MONEY concerns. They don't care at all about the issues whether it be this law or Sandusky or any other issue. They blow whichever way the wind blows to make sure they alienate the fewest people possible.
NCAA and universities sure as heck care about this. It's all about coddling and safe spaces... $$ has nothing to do with it. I suppose universities are teaching white privilege over $$$ concerns? It's all been and still a goal to force a social agenda. Children going to the bathroom with members of the same sex does not fit that agenda.
 
Sure sounds like a political decision or do you somehow doubt the words of Mark Emmert? http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...relocate-championships-north-carolina-2016-17

In its decision Monday, the Board of Governors emphasized that NCAA championships and events must promote an inclusive atmosphere for all college athletes, coaches, administrators and fans. Current North Carolina state laws make it challenging to guarantee that host communities can help deliver on that commitment if NCAA events remained in the state, the board said.

“Fairness is about more than the opportunity to participate in college sports, or even compete for championships,” said Mark Emmert, NCAA president. “We believe in providing a safe and respectful environment at our events and are committed to providing the best experience possible for college athletes, fans and everyone taking part in our championships."

The board stressed that the dynamic in North Carolina is different from that of other states because of at least four specific factors:

  • North Carolina laws invalidate any local law that treats sexual orientation as a protected class or has a purpose to prevent discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender individuals.
  • North Carolina has the only statewide law that makes it unlawful to use a restroom different from the gender on one’s birth certificate, regardless of gender identity.
  • North Carolina law provides legal protections for government officials to refuse services to the LGBT community.
  • Five states plus numerous cities prohibit travel to North Carolina for public employees and representatives of public institutions, which could include student-athletes and campus athletics staff. These states are New York, Minnesota, Washington, Vermont and Connecticut.
“As representatives of all three divisions, the Board of Governors must advance college sports through policies that resolve core issues affecting student-athletes and administrators,” said G.P. “Bud” Peterson, Board of Governors chair and Georgia Institute of Technology president. “This decision is consistent with the NCAA's long-standing core values of inclusion, student-athlete well-being and creating a culture of fairness.”

Emmert said the NCAA will determine the new locations for these championships soon.

“The NCAA Constitution clearly states our values of inclusion and gender equity, along with the membership’s expectation that we as the Board of Governors protect those values for all,” said Susquehanna University President Jay Lemons, vice chair of the Board of Governors and chair of the ad hoc committee on diversity and inclusion. “Our membership comprises many different types of schools – public, private, secular, faith-based – and we believe this action appropriately reflects the collective will of that diverse group.”
That bold line is the kicker for me. It's highly possible that Binghamton, Buffalo, Minnesota, and perhaps Cornell would not have been able to participate in any National Championship taking place in North Carolina for that reason.
 
We need a "social justice", or "social issues" board...lots of opinions...

. . . some of which could benefit from a little more education.

Regardless, it's a simple boycott on the state. The NCAA isn't the only entity considering such action. Right or wrong, popular opinion will ultimately prevail (through the political system and through $$$ spent). Wherever you stand on the issue, do your part to support your cause, commensurate with your passion for the subject.

My bet, though, is that relatively few are passionate enough about North Carolina hosting the championships to boycott them if they are held somewhere else because of the legislation. As was said earlier, most of us want the product badly enough that we'll go wherever it is served, regardless of how the location is chosen. Until that changes, the NCAA has the ability to choose however it wishes.
 
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Love the "end of argument" comments. Sorry guys, but if this was as simple as each of you make it, we wouldn't have a different point of view for as many folks that have responded. This is a wrestling board, and while the occasional reference to the NCAA is made, it's not really about that anymore. Back to wrestling.
 
I haven't stumbled upon anything that includes this info in this round of bids.

Well, I finally stumbled upon some info. In today's Philadelphia Inquirer, they have an article about Philadelphia seeking to host some of the events that the NCAA has decided to move out of NC. The article is primarily focused on basketball, and mentions that the Wells Fargo Center is not available for the 2017. From the article (bold added by me):

"Ike Richman, Comcast Spectacor spokesman, provided this statement about the Wells Fargo Center: "We have a tremendous relationship with the NCAA. We are coming off a very successful 2016 NCAA Men's East Regionals. Unfortunately, we do not have any dates available at Wells Fargo Center for 2017. We recently submitted proposals to host the NCAA in 2019, 2020, 2021, or 2022 with either men's basketball, women's basketball, wrestling or the Frozen Four. We remain hopeful that the NCAA will return to Philadelphia in the near future."

So Philadelphia did submit bids for the NCAA wrestling championships.
 
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