Nope, that one didn’t play out, either. COVID nipped it in the bud just before Joseph could close out the series with 4 straight wins*.
Do you guys have a book somewhere that provides all the responses to refute any claim of Iowa superiority?
fair. i wouldn't be doing my job if i didn't point out there are counter examples. cory clark passing gulibon. murin over verkleeren. kemerer and hall ended as toss up, but hall came into college way ahead of him. just to be stubborn haha
I think there is a gap and no I don’t think they have wrestled but their results speak for themselves. Arnold did lose to Zack Ryder this past summer though and as much as I love Ryder I think Barr is a bit better in my opinion. Arnold also has losses to Paddy Gallagher, Jack Blumer, Danny Wask. and very close wins including SV against Aurelius Dunbar who has never come close to cracking the lineup at PSU. He and Barr both have won and lost against Welsh. Barr going into the upper weight situation at PSU while Arnold goes to Iowa and yes I think the gap widens and I’m pretty sure recent history has continued to prove this
Nope, it just comes natural to us, easy to quote facts! LOL
It’s Iowa Week — time for us fans to peak (or not).
Well, to be fair, slush saying Vincenzo would have run the table on Alex after COVID cancelled the season, doesn’t seem like a fact.
Hmm, I’m not sure I understand the thesis here. I thought the Barr-Arnold gap-widening subject was sparked by a body-type discussion, but maybe I’m mixed up.
I'm sorry are you seriously including 4 matches from Arnold's freshman year of high school, half of which he won???
The talk was Barr will widen the gap because he's at PSU, not because he's taller.
Martinez also has a winning H2H record vs. Cenzo. And yet ...
Would that make the 3-inch binder a book of inferiority?
Ok. I was on a different board during Gulibon’s first season, and I recall things turning kind of ugly there in a hurry when he wasn’t meeting fan expectations. When I migrated here, it seemed there was a lot of hopeful discussion that he would be ahead of Clark (esp. after the BJC win), but still a lot of griping about confidence, hair, headgear, and hand size. And then he moved to 141 his last 2 seasons.
That all may be true, but that's two years after what I'm talking about when Gulibon beat him soundly in both all star matches.
Not everyone can become a National Champ, but being an Iowa fan, you already knew that.
Fair enough. This goes back to the discussion on body type and if it’s a limiting factor for someone as short as Arnold. Looking over his results he has some better wins than I thought (Brayden Thompson who Barr lost to) but pretty much every match against a top level guy is a 1 point match or OT. That shows he has great defense but is also a very tough way to win consistently. Also there does seem to be a gap between the 2 in pretty much everyone’s thinking considering that Barr is ranked ahead of Arnold in every ranking I can find. Forums are for opinions and mine is that Barr is better now and is going to only pull away as they get into college and a part of that is because Arnold’s lack of height and length. There are of course tons of examples of those kinds of guys being extremely successful but most of them were elite in at least a couple other areas. While Arnold is very good and has possibly elite defense I don’t see him being good enough elsewhere to reach the top at his weight. Multiple time AA is likely but I would be shocked if he ever wins a national title and I absolutely think Barr wins one. Granted, I am as high on Barr as any recruit PSU has gotten in a long time. Kid is going to be special. And for the record Arnold lost to Wask last year
No kidding we were fired up to land a 4x PA state champ. Every program's fans would be.
Better career wasn’t the topic. It was a Penn St wrestler never losing to an Iowa wrestler after beating them.
I didn't say better career. I implied that Cenzo won when it really mattered.
David Taylor never lost to Nick Moore after beating him in the Feb 2013 dual.
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He did actually! Beat Tyler Caldwell. It's a shame he got hurt because he was pretty good his junior year. Was a shell of himself as a senior.
And that's how he became his love/hate PSU alter ego JimmyCinnabon on the mat.com and intermat forums!
Same amount of titles, 3x fewer losses, higher bonus rate, better wins...Be careful with your chummin’ . . .
My favorite thing about Cael (or least favorite, considering I’m a gopher fan) is that he never tries to fit a square peg in a round hole. He brings in good wrestlers, assesses their style, and coaches them to be good at what their body type and ability allows for them. You don’t see a ton of Penn state guys wrestle the same way.
Just sayin’ . . . you can see that no one bit on your first two scoops of chum. But you know “we like our guy” and someone is bound to pop up and bite, enabling you to attach a few barrels and take a ride.
Kennedy/Facundo will be interesting for a couple reasons. Kennedy wore him out at who's number 1. Where do the two stand now? Kennedy is also short and stocky compared to the tall and lanky Facundo. That match encompasses a couple of discussions we are having in this thread.
