Oakmont CC is one of those stories, life is so strange, fascinating and unpredictable....

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Andrew Carnegie via financing from the nations leading bankers bought what would become US Steel from Henry Fownes (Carnegie a fascinating story himself having been born poor in Scotland and immigrating to the United States as a young man, worked his way up from the bottom working for powerful industrialists and ultimately they financed him to buy Fownes steel business and vertically integrate the steel making and steel construction businesses.). Carnegie was originally commissioned to build the first bridge steel bridge to span the Mississippi River - in order to procure enough steel on tight schedules, Carnegie ended up buying a steel business, coking business, mining interests, etc...and vertically integrated them.

In any event, Carnegie not only bought Fownes' family steel plant, but became one of the founding members and primary financiers of the building of Oakmont Country Club. In fact, Carnegie is the one that demanded that it be built in the style of a Scottish Links as a condition of his primary financial backing and founding membership - the kind Carnegie was familiar growing up in Scotland (or at least this is the story I was told growing up in Western PA - e.g., Andrew Carnegie is the party that demanded it be built in the style of a Scottish Links and why it is the most famous "Inland Links" course in the world.). The strangest part of the story is Henry Fownes, who was not a well-known "Course Architect" at the time, such as William Flynn who built Shinnecock Hills, Merion, Lancaster CC, etc... during the same era. In any event, Fownes was a complete nobody in terms of golf course architecture and building (land selection, etc...) - in fact, Fownes had NEVER built or designed a golf course prior to Oakmont CC; Oakmont was his initial and as it turns out, only, attempt at designing and building a golf course! HERE IS A STORY which camptures some of the story.

The story's comparison of the design of the course to the painting of the Mona Lisa is an apt comparison imho - who would have ever predicted that Fownes would run into Carnegie by "happenstance" and then go on to build the world's most famous, magnificent and hardest "Inland Links" never having even built a golf course before??? Fownes picked the PERFECT piece of land (it was undulating farmland with few trees before he designed and built Oakmont upon it), Fownes just had the natural architect ability to be able to see the "Links Style" course that Carnegie demanded to participate in the project and he used the contours and hollows of the land to build the greens and fairways that you would think you were looking at a Scottish links course if you didn't know you were in Western Pennsylvania - an incredibly remarkable achievement given that he did not grow up in Scotland and was only working from a brief tour of links courses made with Andrew Carnegie and pictures of same that he could use as reference when designing bunkering (both fairway and greenside), greens, alignment of fairways and holes, etc....

Just an incredible story that demonstrates the unpredictability of life - who would have guessed that Fownes would become a renowned and famous golf course having only built one course in his entire life - and even then, only building it in his retirement??? A remarkable story that falls under the category of "Life is often stranger than fiction".

 

[artsandletters]

Andrew Carnegie via financing from the nations leading bankers bought what would become US Steel from Henry Fownes (Carnegie a fascinating story himself having been born poor in Scotland and immigrating to the United States as a young man, worked his way up from the bottom working for powerful industrialists and ultimately they financed him to buy Fownes steel business and vertically integrate the steel making and steel construction businesses.). Carnegie was originally commissioned to build the first bridge steel bridge to span the Mississippi River - in order to procure enough steel on tight schedules, Carnegie ended up buying a steel business, coking business, mining interests, etc...and vertically integrated them.

In any event, Carnegie not only bought Fownes' family steel plant, but became one of the founding members and primary financiers of the building of Oakmont Country Club. In fact, Carnegie is the one that demanded that it be built in the style of a Scottish Links as a condition of his primary financial backing and founding membership - the kind Carnegie was familiar growing up in Scotland (or at least this is the story I was told growing up in Western PA - e.g., Andrew Carnegie is the party that demanded it be built in the style of a Scottish Links and why it is the most famous "Inland Links" course in the world.). The strangest part of the story is Henry Fownes, who was not a well-known "Course Architect" at the time, such as William Flynn who built Shinnecock Hills, Merion, Lancaster CC, etc... during the same era. In any event, Fownes was a complete nobody in terms of golf course architecture and building (land selection, etc...) - in fact, Fownes had NEVER built or designed a golf course prior to Oakmont CC; Oakmont was his initial and as it turns out, only, attempt at designing and building a golf course! HERE IS A STORY which camptures some of the story.

The story's comparison of the design of the course to the painting of the Mona Lisa is an apt comparison imho - who would have ever predicted that Fownes would run into Carnegie by "happenstance" and then go on to build the world's most famous, magnificent and hardest "Inland Links" never having even built a golf course before??? Fownes picked the PERFECT piece of land (it was undulating farmland with few trees before he designed and built Oakmont upon it), Fownes just had the natural architect ability to be able to see the "Links Style" course that Carnegie demanded to participate in the project and he used the contours and hollows of the land to build the greens and fairways that you would think you were looking at a Scottish links course if you didn't know you were in Western Pennsylvania - an incredibly remarkable achievement given that he did not grow up in Scotland and was only working from a brief tour of links courses made with Andrew Carnegie and pictures of same that he could use as reference when designing bunkering (both fairway and greenside), greens, alignment of fairways and holes, etc....

Just an incredible story that demonstrates the unpredictability of life - who would have guessed that Fownes would become a renowned and famous golf course having only built one course in his entire life - and even then, only building it in his retirement??? A remarkable story that falls under the category of "Life is often stranger than fiction".

I'll make this brief. Rory prefers a right to left ball flight, not a fade as you wrote previously. The fade is an option, but the draw is his go-to. Everybody knows that.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I'll make this brief. Rory prefers a right to left ball flight, not a fade as you wrote previously. The fade is an option, but the draw is his go-to. Everybody knows that.

You clearly didn't understand what I wrote, nor did you watch the "analysis" provided by Fox's swing expert during their telecast today while showing Rory on the practice tee and stating that he was perhaps the best driver of the ball in the world due to his length and control (and why this was so). You don't know what you're talking about in regards to Rory needing to "flatten" his swing to generate his length (e.g., must hit a draw / hook to get his length - players that use this style swing such as a Zach Johnson, use it because they simply don't have the leverage in their swing due to their height to hit the ball from a more "on plane" "classic" upright swing. In any event, your full of $hit, that Rory has a "flat" swing with tons of wrist action that necessitates a lower ball flight and draw/hook right-to-left ball flight by definition via the physics - he doesn't, his "classic" power-swing and upright swing plain allow him to hit the ball with power and height....and to move the ball from right-to-left OR left-to-right as the shot requires while still generating tons of power. The draw by defition is a "power release", but some players have such great lenght from the classic C-shape swing - so named for the way your body looks at finish - that they are also able to hit the "power cut". People who have flattened their swing plain to generate length cannot hit this shot from their flat swing position).

You don't know what you're talking about - Rory has a very "classic", upright swing plane that generates tons of power from his height and the "leverage" of his keeping his right elbow "tucked" and the "extension" achieved at "release" of fully extending the arms slightly behind the release of the hips & shoulders - this is the classic powerful, but controlled swing used by all the great long hitters "Nicklaus", "Watson", "Miller", "Love", "Weiskoff", etc.. (I would also put Boom-Boom in this category, but he typically took the club back outside the plain to gain "length of swing arc" and then would drop it "in the slot" at the top, but very much had the classic swing allowing the controlled "power cut"). - this swing allows you to hit woods and long irons super high and soft.....it also allows you to hit the ball high and with a draw OR cut depending on what the shot requires (the ball flight is controlled by a slight adjustment in foot alignment and grip which controls the release of the club head). IOW, Rory can hit the ultra-high "power cut" OR the "power draw" depending on what the shot requires - only players that have a very "upright" classic swing and the ultra-length from that swing can execute the high, long, all ball-flight draw or cut - typically, if you want to land a ball such that it has the least "release" on a drive to hold the fairway or a long approach shot to hold the green with a long-to-mid iron, the PREFERRED shot is the ultra-high "power cut" which is virtually 100% ball flight and zero roll due to spin on the ball and the trajectory that the ball falls at (a cut is a softer shot then a draw ALWAYS because a draw has a lower trajectory and has "top-spin" upon landing - a "cut" is the diametric opposite, it is higher and lands with "back-spin").

Most people that flatten their swing such that they can only hit a draw or cut DO IT OUT OF NECESSITY because they can't generate enough LENGTH swinging with a more upright swing-plain of the "Classic C-shaped" swing of the greats who could hit their legendary "control shot" and still generate massive length with glorious height otherwise known as the "power cut" - a huge advantage at Oakmont for obvious reasons. Rory is one of the few in the field who has "the classic swing" (e.g., the swing plain) to hit this shot when the drive or approach demands it.....again, one of the very few.

 

[mn78psu83]

I'll make this brief. Rory prefers a right to left ball flight, not a fade as you wrote previously. The fade is an option, but the draw is his go-to. Everybody knows that.

Oh boy. Now you've done it.

 

[royboy]

Also have to thank Mr. Carnegie for his numerous Carnegie Libraries, including this one in Oakmont.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Oh boy. Now you've done it.

Players who have the "classic" upright swing plain allowing them to hit the ball with extreme length and with whatever trajectory as well as horizontal ball-flight they wish (e.g., right-to-left or left-to-right....or even dead straight if they so choose) do not "prefer" to force a shot upon the golf course and circumstance of the shot they are facing - they have the unique power and swing to hit WHATEVER shot is required; most players don't have this luxury especially players that have had to "flatten" their swing out of necessity to generate length (much of which comes from the ball rolling after release due to the fact that a flat "hook" swing generates a lower ball flight coupled with top-spin on entry both of which PROMOTE the ball to RELEASE and roll upon landing). Oakmont has tons of fairways that TILT from right-to-left for the right-handed hitter and fairways which demand a POWER CUT shot to "hold the fairway" as the ball is landing "into" the tilt of the fairway. lands "softer" and wants to bounce RIGHT upon landing, not "run out" to the left after landing. Ditto many long approach shots to greens - they demand the POWER CUT to keep them from releasing after landing. Rory definitely has the "swing type" to hit the super high, all ball-flight, POWER CUT and he is among a small group of players that has this significant advantage at Oakmont (e.g., ultra-length without needing to flatten his swing, his trajectory and requiring a right-to-left ball shot.......Rory can hit it ultra long with a slight cut that lands super soft otherwise known as the "Power Fade".....the same thing Nicklaus was absolutely known for - nobody could hit their long-irons as high, long and soft as Nicklaus and in fact, Nicklaus became legendary for how he hit "the knife" [e.g., a 1-Iron], prompting Trevino to one time say - only God can hit the high, long, soft 1-Iron from the fairway.....well actually, God and Jack Nicklaus.).

 

[artsandletters]

Oh boy. Now you've done it.

Haha. I read the first few sentences of his response above but stopped for fear of lapsing into a coma. Of course, instead of admitting that Rory hits a draw regularly and a fade when necessary, on fairways that bank to the left or pins tucked way to the right, Restores offered a protracted explanation of the golf swing. He may want to note how Rory takes the club back straight, but drops it distinctly into the slot on the way down. For the fade, he needs to hold off the release, NOT HIS NATURAL and PREFERRED finish.

Rory always hit a draw unless another flight is needed. Everybody, F Restores notwithstanding, knows that.

 

[Westcoast24]

Haha. I read the first few sentences of his response above but stopped for fear of lapsing into a coma. Of course, instead of admitting that Rory hits a draw regularly and a fade when necessary, on fairways that bank to the left or pins tucked way to the right, Restores offered a protracted explanation of the golf swing. He may want to note how Rory takes the club back straight, but drops it distinctly into the slot on the way down. For the fade, he needs to hold off the release, NOT HIS NATURAL and PREFERRED finish.

Rory always hit a draw unless another flight is needed. Everybody, F Restores notwithstanding, knows that.

Bushwood has never been wrong ever in his entire time on this earth. How dare you question that. Ha

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Haha. I read the first few sentences of his response above but stopped for fear of lapsing into a coma. Of course, instead of admitting that Rory hits a draw regularly and a fade when necessary, on fairways that bank to the left or pins tucked way to the right, Restores offered a protracted explanation of the golf swing. He may want to note how Rory takes the club back straight, but drops it distinctly into the slot on the way down. For the fade, he needs to hold off the release, NOT HIS NATURAL and PREFERRED finish.

Rory always hit a draw unless another flight is needed. Everybody, F Restores notwithstanding, knows that.

Wrong genius, I'm quite sure I've played a lot more "competitive golf" at the amateur level than you and you simply don't know WTF you're talking about. A player with the swing-type and talent of Rory does not "prefer" anything - he's quite able to move the ball either direction with a "controlled" draw or fade (or a heavy draw and fade termed a hook or slice if the shot called for it)....Rory also able to move the ball up or down in trajectory via ball positioning in his stance enabling the high cut or high draw or a "knock-down" shot (knockdown shots are always hit with at least a very slight draw and never hit with a cut, because a cut promotes height.....which is why the shot is often called a "wind-cheater" because it's over-spin/ top-spin eats into the win and rolls on landing whereas any shot hit with a cut will tend to be pushed upward from the spin often called "riding the elevator shaft" by players).

A player of Rory's caliber who has the length, swing and ability to make all the shots (often termed "shot-making" ability) most certainly doesn't "prefer" anything except for the shot the situation requires nimrod. And anybody who has played Oakmont in "tournament conditions" (which I have - played in a PA Amateur Qualifier there), both the fairways and greens with their "tuicked" pin positions and limited landing areas, would understand that hitting balls with draw spin and trajectory (versus the same shot hit with a very slight cut and it's implicated significantly higher softer trajectory) is never the "correct shot" at Oakmont's fairways or greens unless you are trying to make some kind of hard running shot from the rough or other kind of recovery shot from behind trees or other obstruction where you have no choice but to bring it in on a lower, harder running trajectory from right-to-left.

 

[androcles]

...ask me if I care...

 

[Mr. Potter]

Andrew Carnegie via financing from the nations leading bankers bought what would become US Steel from Henry Fownes (Carnegie a fascinating story himself having been born poor in Scotland and immigrating to the United States as a young man, worked his way up from the bottom working for powerful industrialists and ultimately they financed him to buy Fownes steel business and vertically integrate the steel making and steel construction businesses.). Carnegie was originally commissioned to build the first bridge steel bridge to span the Mississippi River - in order to procure enough steel on tight schedules, Carnegie ended up buying a steel business, coking business, mining interests, etc...and vertically integrated them.

In any event, Carnegie not only bought Fownes' family steel plant, but became one of the founding members and primary financiers of the building of Oakmont Country Club. In fact, Carnegie is the one that demanded that it be built in the style of a Scottish Links as a condition of his primary financial backing and founding membership - the kind Carnegie was familiar growing up in Scotland (or at least this is the story I was told growing up in Western PA - e.g., Andrew Carnegie is the party that demanded it be built in the style of a Scottish Links and why it is the most famous "Inland Links" course in the world.). The strangest part of the story is Henry Fownes, who was not a well-known "Course Architect" at the time, such as William Flynn who built Shinnecock Hills, Merion, Lancaster CC, etc... during the same era. In any event, Fownes was a complete nobody in terms of golf course architecture and building (land selection, etc...) - in fact, Fownes had NEVER built or designed a golf course prior to Oakmont CC; Oakmont was his initial and as it turns out, only, attempt at designing and building a golf course! HERE IS A STORY which camptures some of the story.

The story's comparison of the design of the course to the painting of the Mona Lisa is an apt comparison imho - who would have ever predicted that Fownes would run into Carnegie by "happenstance" and then go on to build the world's most famous, magnificent and hardest "Inland Links" never having even built a golf course before??? Fownes picked the PERFECT piece of land (it was undulating farmland with few trees before he designed and built Oakmont upon it), Fownes just had the natural architect ability to be able to see the "Links Style" course that Carnegie demanded to participate in the project and he used the contours and hollows of the land to build the greens and fairways that you would think you were looking at a Scottish links course if you didn't know you were in Western Pennsylvania - an incredibly remarkable achievement given that he did not grow up in Scotland and was only working from a brief tour of links courses made with Andrew Carnegie and pictures of same that he could use as reference when designing bunkering (both fairway and greenside), greens, alignment of fairways and holes, etc....

Just an incredible story that demonstrates the unpredictability of life - who would have guessed that Fownes would become a renowned and famous golf course having only built one course in his entire life - and even then, only building it in his retirement??? A remarkable story that falls under the category of "Life is often stranger than fiction".

So Carnegie bought the steel mill from Fownes and then had Fownes design and build Oakmont C.C.? Am I reading this right?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So Carnegie bought the steel mill from Fownes and then had Fownes design and build Oakmont C.C.? Am I reading this right?

That is more or less correct. Carnegie bought the mill from Henry Fownes family - Fownes was the the Chief Executive of the mill at the time (he was 40 at the time Carnegie purchased it, I believe the article said). Carnegie didn't "own" the new course they were building, it was a "member owned" course, but Carnegie was the most important "founding member" (Fownes was also a founding member) because he arranged for the financing via his contacts and also drew in other uber-wealthy Industrialists as Founding Members such as Mellon). I've heard both versions that the idea to build Oakmont was Carnegie's idea and Fownes directed the project because he was bored in retirement (Fownes was a very avid and accomplished golfer at the time Carnegie bought his family's mill), but I've also heard it that the whole idea was Fownes and Carnegie liked his idea and as a condition of becoming a "primary mover" founding member, he required Fownes to agree that it would be built as a Scottish Style Links on land that would accommodate same (which is why they purchased basically tree-less, undulating farmland).

Not sure which version is correct, but either way, Carnegie was responsible for it being built in the style of a Scottish Links, making it the world's most famous (and likely oldest) "Inland Links" design.

 

[Mr. Potter]

That is more or less correct. Carnegie bought the mill from Henry Fownes family - Fownes was the the Chief Executive of the mill at the time (he was 40 at the time Carnegie purchased it, I believe the article said). Carnegie didn't "own" the new course they were building, it was a "member owned" course, but Carnegie was the most important "founding member" (Fownes was also a founding member) because he arranged for the financing via his contacts and also drew in other uber-wealthy Industrialists as Founding Members such as Mellon). I've heard both versions that the idea to build Oakmont was Carnegie's idea and Fownes directed the project because he was bored in retirement (Fownes was a very avid and accomplished golfer at the time Carnegie bought his family's mill), but I've also heard it that the whole idea was Fownes and Carnegie liked his idea and as a condition of becoming a "primary mover" founding member, he required Fownes to agree that it would be built as a Scottish Style Links on land that would accommodate same (which is why they purchased basically tree-less, undulating farmland).

Not sure which version is correct, but either way, Carnegie was responsible for it being built in the style of a Scottish Links, making it the world's most famous (and likely oldest) "Inland Links" design.

Cool Buddy

 

[hardpass]

Got a Retard fight on our hands ITT

 

[artsandletters]

Wrong genius, I'm quite sure I've played a lot more "competitive golf" at the amateur level than you and you simply don't know WTF you're talking about. A player with the swing-type and talent of Rory does not "prefer" anything - he's quite able to move the ball either direction with a "controlled" draw or fade (or a heavy draw and fade termed a hook or slice if the shot called for it)....Rory also able to move the ball up or down in trajectory via ball positioning in his stance enabling the high cut or high draw or a "knock-down" shot (knockdown shots are always hit with at least a very slight draw and never hit with a cut, because a cut promotes height.....which is why the shot is often called a "wind-cheater" because it's over-spin/ top-spin eats into the win and rolls on landing whereas any shot hit with a cut will tend to be pushed upward from the spin often called "riding the elevator shaft" by players).

A player of Rory's caliber who has the length, swing and ability to make all the shots (often termed "shot-making" ability) most certainly doesn't "prefer" anything except for the shot the situation requires nimrod. And anybody who has played Oakmont in "tournament conditions" (which I have - played in a PA Amateur Qualifier there), both the fairways and greens with their "tuicked" pin positions and limited landing areas, would understand that hitting balls with draw spin and trajectory (versus the same shot hit with a very slight cut and it's implicated significantly higher softer trajectory) is never the "correct shot" at Oakmont's fairways or greens unless you are trying to make some kind of hard running shot from the rough or other kind of recovery shot from behind trees or other obstruction where you have no choice but to bring it in on a lower, harder running trajectory from right-to-left.

 

[PSUTENN1]

Andrew Carnegie via financing from the nations leading bankers bought what would become US Steel from Henry Fownes (Carnegie a fascinating story himself having been born poor in Scotland and immigrating to the United States as a young man, worked his way up from the bottom working for powerful industrialists and ultimately they financed him to buy Fownes steel business and vertically integrate the steel making and steel construction businesses.). Carnegie was originally commissioned to build the first bridge steel bridge to span the Mississippi River - in order to procure enough steel on tight schedules, Carnegie ended up buying a steel business, coking business, mining interests, etc...and vertically integrated them.

In any event, Carnegie not only bought Fownes' family steel plant, but became one of the founding members and primary financiers of the building of Oakmont Country Club. In fact, Carnegie is the one that demanded that it be built in the style of a Scottish Links as a condition of his primary financial backing and founding membership - the kind Carnegie was familiar growing up in Scotland (or at least this is the story I was told growing up in Western PA - e.g., Andrew Carnegie is the party that demanded it be built in the style of a Scottish Links and why it is the most famous "Inland Links" course in the world.). The strangest part of the story is Henry Fownes, who was not a well-known "Course Architect" at the time, such as William Flynn who built Shinnecock Hills, Merion, Lancaster CC, etc... during the same era. In any event, Fownes was a complete nobody in terms of golf course architecture and building (land selection, etc...) - in fact, Fownes had NEVER built or designed a golf course prior to Oakmont CC; Oakmont was his initial and as it turns out, only, attempt at designing and building a golf course! HERE IS A STORY which camptures some of the story.

The story's comparison of the design of the course to the painting of the Mona Lisa is an apt comparison imho - who would have ever predicted that Fownes would run into Carnegie by "happenstance" and then go on to build the world's most famous, magnificent and hardest "Inland Links" never having even built a golf course before??? Fownes picked the PERFECT piece of land (it was undulating farmland with few trees before he designed and built Oakmont upon it), Fownes just had the natural architect ability to be able to see the "Links Style" course that Carnegie demanded to participate in the project and he used the contours and hollows of the land to build the greens and fairways that you would think you were looking at a Scottish links course if you didn't know you were in Western Pennsylvania - an incredibly remarkable achievement given that he did not grow up in Scotland and was only working from a brief tour of links courses made with Andrew Carnegie and pictures of same that he could use as reference when designing bunkering (both fairway and greenside), greens, alignment of fairways and holes, etc....

Just an incredible story that demonstrates the unpredictability of life - who would have guessed that Fownes would become a renowned and famous golf course having only built one course in his entire life - and even then, only building it in his retirement??? A remarkable story that falls under the category of "Life is often stranger than fiction".

I want to know how the members felt about the PA Turnpike cutting right through it in 1949.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I want to know how the members felt about the PA Turnpike cutting right through it in 1949.

I-76, the "PA Turnpike" (the nations first Turnpike and Interstate) runs through a natural gorge, so it really does not impact the course the way you might think. It is set well down a bluff such that the only time you really see it and the cars is when you're walking across the "fly over" bridges which are pretty high in the air (there are trees and undergrowth lining the sides of the bluffs on each side which create natural sound and sight barriers so the the Turnpike really does not make the kind of impact you might otherwise think.).

 

[WDLion]

Haha. I read the first few sentences of his response above but stopped for fear of lapsing into a coma. Of course, instead of admitting that Rory hits a draw regularly and a fade when necessary, on fairways that bank to the left or pins tucked way to the right, Restores offered a protracted explanation of the golf swing. He may want to note how Rory takes the club back straight, but drops it distinctly into the slot on the way down. For the fade, he needs to hold off the release, NOT HIS NATURAL and PREFERRED finish.

Rory always hit a draw unless another flight is needed. Everybody, F Restores notwithstanding, knows that.

Never ask Bush for the time, he will inform you in 10,000 words or more the workings of a Swiss Watch.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Cool Buddy

The other thing I should have pointed out in this regard - the Clubhouse and out-buildings were also built to a "Scottish Seaside Tutor Cottage Style" in the traditional Green Trim on White Stucco look again supposedly accruing to Andrew Carnegie's Scottish upbringing.

 

[artsandletters]

I-76, the "PA Turnpike" (the nations first Turnpike and Interstate) runs through a natural gorge, so it really does not impact the course the way you might think. It is set well down a bluff such that the only time you really see it and the cars is when you're walking across the "fly over" bridges which are pretty high in the air (there are trees and undergrowth lining the sides of the bluffs on each side which create natural sound and sight barriers so the the Turnpike really does not make the kind of impact you might otherwise think.).

Great info but you did not answer the question. Are you a politician?

PSUTENN asked what the members felt about the state putting the turnpike through their course in 1949.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Great info but you did not answer the question. Are you a politician?

PSUTENN asked what the members felt about the state putting the turnpike through their course in 1949.

It goes through land that was completely unusable, and not used, by the original architects - it effectively was a deep ravine that cut the two sides of the course such that the PA Turnpike runs effectively through the base of the ravine and the walking-bridge fly-overs that span the ravine from side-to-side are high in the air over the span. The sides of the ravine are covered with trees and vegetation. Not positive when the fly-over walking-bridges that span the ravine from behind #1 Green to #2 Tee and from the right of #8 Green to #9 Tee were built, but I believe they probably pre-date the construction of the PA Turnpike. Essentially, the course provided a "right of way" easement through a piece of wasteland that was not being used by the course and had no real "impact" upon the character of the course as the road runs deep in the base of the ravine which is well hidden by trees and growth.

IOW, I doubt they much cared given how remote the base of the ravine the road runs through is, but can't say for sure as I was only born just under 20 years later.

 

[mn78psu83]

It goes through land that was completely unusable, and not used, by the original architects - it effectively was a deep ravine that cut the two sides of the course such that the PA Turnpike runs effectively through the base of the ravine and the walking-bridge fly-overs that span the ravine from side-to-side are high in the air over the span. The sides of the ravine are covered with trees and vegetation. Not positive when the fly-over walking-bridges that span the ravine from behind #1 Green to #2 Tee and from the right of #8 Green to #9 Tee were built, but I believe they probably pre-date the construction of the PA Turnpike. Essentially, the course provided a "right of way" easement through a piece of wasteland that was not being used by the course and had no real "impact" upon the character of the course as the road runs deep in the base of the ravine which is well hidden by trees and growth.

But how did the members feel about it at the time?

 

[Still in State College]

But how did the members feel about it at the time?

I would guess that they cared very little as the railroad corridor was already there. The turnpike just widened it. That is just my guess.