Off season poll - what if they had gone to PSU?

[GogglesPaizano]

Looking for an honest assessment. I have a strong bias for sure, but everytime a hammer goes to Iowa or tOSU, I wonder if they have no sense of history. The evidence is right there for all to see.

PS - Assume our studs went to Rutgers

 

[Cstroke]

I'm not sure Kem would have achieved his goals unless he wasn't hurt.. Would Psu have been able to minimize how torn up he was???
Warner, I think he finished better than he should have so squeezing that little bit more out of him would have been tough.
I have a hard time thinking Marinelli wasn't the best wrestler in his class for several years and mentally wasn't ready. So I think he would have gotten 1 title for the boys in blue.
Wrestling not to lose compared to being free especially on that stage is a major difference.

 

[HawkFan1986]

I know I’ll get laid out for this, but I’m a firm believer Kem and Bull would have won during the Covid cancellation year.

The other years they lost in the tournament. I’d assume those PSU guys they lost to would be on another team in this hypothetical? Kem would have still lost to star, and Warner would have still lost to Dean. So my answer would be two.

 

[Cstroke]

That covid year sucked.. Was a shame those guys lost a season when others get 5.

 

[El-Jefe]

Marinelli zero.

Kemerer 1 or 2 -- if he had gone 165 after Cenzo. His matches with Griffith and O'Toole would've been fun.

Warner ... maybe he gets by Ford Focus in the 2021 quarters instead of losing 3-2? After that he would've had an undersized Amine, then Bonaccorsi. Not a given but doable.

 

[Hoosier Lion]

The answer is clearly ZERO. They all would’ve been backups and seen very little varsity action at PSU

 

[nitlion6]

I know I’ll get laid out for this, but I’m a firm believer Kem and Bull would have won during the Covid cancellation year.

The other years they lost in the tournament. I’d assume those PSU guys they lost to would be on another team in this hypothetical? Kem would have still lost to star, and Warner would have still lost to Dean. So my answer would be two.

Sounds like a typical Hawkeye response. The Bull and Kem never won a title wearing black but that one single time at band camp when they didn't have to wrestle to win - that's the one time I know they would have won.

 

[vhsalum]

Add Bo Jordan to this list. and I think he wins 3 titles at PSU

 

[nitlion6]

Add Bo Jordan to this list. and I think he wins 3 titles at PSU

Yes, but yuck. He would have had fun.

 

[dunkej01]

The answer is clearly ZERO. They all would’ve been backups and seen very little varsity action at PSU

Post of the year candidate for me.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Kemerer’s style was perfect for our middleweights. I have no doubt he wins 1 or 2.

 

[El-Jefe]

Add Bo Jordan to this list. and I think he wins 3 titles at PSU

Doubt it.

 

[El-Jefe]

Yes, but yuck. He would have had fun.

Against his will.

 

[dicemen99]

Sounds like a typical Hawkeye response. The Bull and Kem never won a title wearing black but that one single time at band camp when they didn't have to wrestle to win - that's the one time I know they would have won.

I have to agree with this, although I would add that it is not exclusive to Hawk responses.

The also-rans ALWAYS win the hypothetical despite results that indicate otherwise.

We are not immune to it at PSU. A lot of us swore that DT was going to get him the next match. Although I think MOST of us started to doubt after match #3.

 

[creamery freak]

That covid year sucked.. Was a shame those guys lost a season when others get 5.

Those guys did get another year but Cenzo and Mark only got 3. I hear you on the 5 for the guys there now.

 

[HawkFan1986]

Sounds like a typical Hawkeye response. The Bull and Kem never won a title wearing black but that one single time at band camp when they didn't have to wrestle to win - that's the one time I know they would have won.

I don’t know anything, I thought they were both wrestling very well at the end of the year. Those are my assumptions, I’m sticking with em.

 

[Cstroke]

Sort of why we are called fans isn't it...

 

[nitlion6]

I don’t know anything, I thought they were both wrestling very well at the end of the year. Those are my assumptions, I’m sticking with em.

Nothing wrong with sticking with em. No matter the facts, nor the obvious that is what Hawk fandom does.

 

[dunkej01]

Nothing wrong with sticking with em. No matter the facts, nor the obvious that is what Hawk fandom does.

imar was a 4xr until he wasnt

Kilgore was unbeatable until he wasnt

nelson was going to bring the goofers a title until he didnt

 

[Cstroke]

Stevenson was going to be an undefeated 4xer...
Penn State screws a lot of kids from opposing schools out of their dreams.

 

[mcpat]

Marinelli was a 4x Big Ten Champ. It’s hard for me to believe that he couldn’t have won an NCAA title or two with, I’m sorry, better coaching.

I didn’t think VJ would beat IMAR either time. But he did. Both times.

DeSanto owned RBY AND was a year ahead of him. But RBY was coached to make adjustments and the roles were reversed.

Not sure about the rest of them, but I think Marinelli and DeSanto would have both won titles at PSU. Maybe 4 between them.

 

[mcpat]

I know I’ll get laid out for this, but I’m a firm believer Kem and Bull would have won during the Covid cancellation year.

The other years they lost in the tournament. I’d assume those PSU guys they lost to would be on another team in this hypothetical? Kem would have still lost to star, and Warner would have still lost to Dean. So my answer would be two.

And a lot of us think RBY, NLee, Joseph, Hall and Brooks would have brought home 6 titles (five individual and one team) that year at NCAAs.

 

[El-Jefe]

Penn State screws a lot of kids from opposing schools out of their dreams.

Penn State screwed Nico, the Altons, Zain, Jason, Cenzo, Hall, Howard, and countless others from attending their Dream School.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Marinelli was a 4x Big Ten Champ. It’s hard for me to believe that he couldn’t have won an NCAA title or two with, I’m sorry, better coaching.

I didn’t think VJ would beat IMAR either time. But he did. Both times.

DeSanto owned RBY AND was a year ahead of him. But RBY was coached to make adjustments and the roles were reversed.

Not sure about the rest of them, but I think Marinelli and DeSanto would have both won titles at PSU. Maybe 4 between them.

Well put, cant deny any of it.

 

[AgSurfer]

Another point that might have helped the Iowa guys if they had chosen to attend PSU. The cumulative injuries they incurred under the Brands’ brutal training methods definitely hurt their ability to win the big ones.

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

I'm not sure Kem would have achieved his goals unless he wasn't hurt.. Would Psu have been able to minimize how torn up he was???
Warner, I think he finished better than he should have so squeezing that little bit more out of him would have been tough.
I have a hard time thinking Marinelli wasn't the best wrestler in his class for several years and mentally wasn't ready. So I think he would have gotten 1 title for the boys in blue.
Wrestling not to lose compared to being free especially on that stage is a major difference.

You notice how many Hawkeyes look like they are MASH 4077 refugees by mid Feb and maybe Kem was hurt because he was at Iowa?

Personally, I think Marinelli was overrated. Yes, was able to turn Cenzo's inside trip against him, but always seemed to underperform in March. Then again, I might just be sick of the obligatory Mariah shots. You could've made a drinking game out of them.

 

[Ski]

I didn’t think VJ would beat IMAR either time. But he did. Both times.

I was with you on this. I sometimes think IMar let a bit of machismo affect the way he wrestled those matches and decided to try and beat VJ at his own upper body inside trip game. I thought maybe the matches would have gone differently if he went with more leg attacks. You never know though with how great VJ hips were/are. I am glad those matches turned out the way that they did.

 

[tullfan68]

zero they werent good enough to start at PSU!

 

[tullfan68]

Sounds like a typical Hawkeye response. The Bull and Kem never won a title wearing black but that one single time at band camp when they didn't have to wrestle to win - that's the one time I know they would have won.

yea iowa fans thought the bull would win 4 LOL

 

[tullfan68]

Add Bo Jordan to this list. and I think he wins 3 titles at PSU

no he said they had too much fun at practice!!LOL

 

[Phantom of the Palestra]

As much as I appreciate trolling the Hawkeye visitors, can we get back to serious questions? Like, can Batman really beat Superman? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

 

[nitlion6]

yea iowa fans thought the bull would win 4 LOL

Thought? I think half of them still think he did win 4 of them.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

You notice how many Hawkeyes look like they are MASH 4077 refugees by mid Feb and maybe Kem was hurt because he was at Iowa?

Personally, I think Marinelli was overrated. Yes, was able to turn Cenzo's inside trip against him, but always seemed to underperform in March. Then again, I might just be sick of the obligatory Mariah shots. You could've made a drinking game out of them.

Could’ve?

 

[Cstroke]

IF you did there is a good chance you are just coming off of your hang over now..

 

[js8793]

You notice how many Hawkeyes look like they are MASH 4077 refugees by mid Feb and maybe Kem was hurt because he was at Iowa?

Personally, I think Marinelli was overrated. Yes, was able to turn Cenzo's inside trip against him, but always seemed to underperform in March. Then again, I might just be sick of the obligatory Mariah shots. You could've made a drinking game out of them.

marinelli was a really bad match up for joseph. was able to match his power. and joseph didn't present the kind of match up problems for marinelli that other top guys like Lewis, Griffith, Wick, etc... posed. marinelli finished cleanly on joseph and that was the difference.

 

[Cstroke]

Match ups matter..

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

"Could’ve?"

Good point. I'm not sure why I was hedging the obvious.

 

[District four]

You notice how many Hawkeyes look like they are MASH 4077 refugees by mid Feb and maybe Kem was hurt because he was at Iowa?

Personally, I think Marinelli was overrated. Yes, was able to turn Cenzo's inside trip against him, but always seemed to underperform in March. Then again, I might just be sick of the obligatory Mariah shots. You could've made a drinking game out of them.

What do you mean could have

 

[KidDagger]

Looking for an honest assessment. I have a strong bias for sure, but everytime a hammer goes to Iowa or tOSU, I wonder if they have no sense of history. The evidence is right there for all to see.

PS - Assume our studs went to Rutgers

Didn’t u have a 125 pound stud go to Rutgers??

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

What do you mean could have

Good one